i found one, when trying to access flash videos. it wasnt hard. i tried it but like ALL of apple products i use, they inevitably crash and burn ... its sad how that was the crux of his speech yesterday and its a shhty product.

if this is any represnetation of the iPhone then quite a few early adopters will be crushed emotinally.

Hi. I'm a Mac.

And I'm a PC.

And I'm an Apple Developer... *Pulls out a gun and shoots PC*

I am posting this comment using Safari under Windows.

It is the last comment I am posting using Safari for a while. LOL

Mio wins the thread.

LOL. Does anybody seriously think Apple could stop hackers and whatnots from attacking Safari on Windows?

It would be sad to see what happens if Apple becomes the dominant player in the market.

LOL okay I've been using safari on xp for a little wile today and it is faster but damn think they could have given it an effective pop-up stopper, or given my 3 button mouse the ability to do the click wheel button and drag to move horizontally through documents.

So now if there are hackers going after safari it isn't apples programmers that are at fault for security hole it must be windows.

I'm hoping they clean up this beta and add a spell check like in fire fox.

I too tried Safari today and boy, the way it loaded the Gizmodo page, I was shocked. I think its far from being perfect. I like IE 6.0. Havent moved to IE 7 yet. Opera is cool too. But Safari for windows has to be a joke.

this comment is being posted from safari. the front page of gizmodo in the reload was ok. but i am sure some sites would be different. i wish they had incorporated ad blocking too.

It's a BETA!!!! get over it!!!

Uhmmm, people, did you all miss the fact that Safari for Windows is a... wait for it... BETA.

Apple is doing what it has done in the past *cough* Bootcamp *cough* and letting the public do the testing for them.

Anyone who has spent anytime around computers knows that Betas can't be trusted. Also, anyone who has spent anytime around Apple products knows that you don't buy the fiest release of any new Apple product, you wait for the update.

Of course, it's the O/S that causes the exploits and bugs - not the program itself.

/eye_roll

haha the apple fanboys 'It's a beta!' Hilarious. A beta should at least be stable enough to run consistently.

Why would anyone use safari? Apple has no idea what they're doing with security, as no one hacks apple - not because they're that secure, but because nobody uses apples in any numbers to make it effective.

Use firefox and dump that apple garbage.

I don't have any text in mine. ANY. On pages, in menus, in popups. Anywhere. That's wiggety-wack.

Heaven forbid the BETA after Safari for Windows would mean that it could have a few problems.

@gofastmini2005:

did you forget what "beta" means?

Yes, as most M$-Botz (translation: windows fanboys) don't realize is that the foundation of Safari is not bad, it's when you try to put it in a crappy formatting language such as Windoze, performance is not optimital, thus why we are in "Beta" status.

I don't think it will ever be an IE/Firefox replacement, but when it is out of "Beta" state, it will be a good suppliment.

So M$-Botz, you got a new sports car, only except in order to drive it, you need to put firestone tires on and smog it lol.

Ultraorange, there is a spell check. Edit > Spelling.

hope their iPhone is more secure then this... or will that be "beta" as well?

I use firefox mainly on my Macs but also some Safari.

I will never use IE again.

I am testing with Safari on xp and so far its not bad. It has crashed a few times....but so has every other browser ive ever used sooner or later.

Speed is good.
Rendering is correct (Acid2 test).
So it does better than Firefox does and of course IE what a joke.

I dont understand people who say a certain browser isnt good becuase pages dont display properly. Most often than nought...its the PAGE that is PROGRAMMED wrong not the browser.

Anyways since its a BETA and some folks dont know wtf that means. I beta OO and Neo office also and dont expect perfect executions. From the Stable build i expect that. From MS software i expect 75~85% of it working and thats when its a mature product.

Be the zealot! Come on now... BE THE APPLE ZEALOT! Miss it NOONAN!! NOONAN!

Platform neutral, Firefox still rules.

@ domerdel:

don't start a war you tart.

three more things:

- it's in beta because there's stuff wrong with it ... not windows.

- what the hell's a "formatting language?" windows is an os, not a language.

- and most importantly: in order to supplement, safari must add to an incomplete field. what exactly does it add that firefox/ie[/opera] don't already do?

Safari is pretty secure on OS X, only been a few already patched vulnerabilities in the life of the browser. Since the iPhone is running OS X I would think it wouldnt have issues with Safari either.

Just goes to show you that no matter how big the Dog and Pony show is for Safari, it's still a poor browser.

I dont understand people who say a certain browser isnt good becuase pages dont display properly. Most often than nought...its the PAGE that is PROGRAMMED wrong not the browser.

if a browser holds zero percent market share then they really can't be rendering the pages different then the market leaders.

no one wants to make an extra effort to develop differently for a zero market share.

What the holy fuck is wrong with you fanboys? Apple put out a SHITTY BETA. PERIOD. Hopefully they'll fix it. Don't reward crappy work by inventing excuses.

By the way "domerdel", Windows isn't a programming "language".

(p.s. "winDOZE"? .......hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr*cough*hurrrrrr*cough*)

No ActiveX makes Jack a Dull boy.....

Firefox, safari etc are good to look a porn not for work.... and a seperate porn browser can keep your house tidy..

@ThriveNOC

I think Safari's private (porn) browsing mode will make Safari popular. That will be purrrfect for the iPorn phone.

http://lifehacker.com/software/mac-os-x/safaris-private-po...

woah, a beta app... with bugs? you're kidding! having never tested beta apps running back to windows chicago and never having experienced bugs with said apps, like the usual no usb support, etc, i'm shocked!

that said, i wouldn't use safari for xp, maybe when it reaches rc status, not beta.

I installed and tested it for work on my XP box yesterday, it crashed on me after the 3rd site I went to.

Once again, Apple is behind the curve - Microsoft released a bad version of their browser to the Mac *years* ago!

To everyone claiming, "It is BETA" i'll remind you that GMail is Beta, as are most of their services. They all seem to work quite well, don't they?

@Kamalot - Gmail, and many Google services, are, as you say, in beta and run very smoothly.

But remember that Gmail has been in "beta" for a long time - I've been using it for over a year now - and it looks like Gmail (along with other Google apps) may never come out of Beta status. And when they were first brought out, they too had problems.

Well said, Kamalot. Beta products are still products released to the public. If you release ANYTHING to the public, it should represent your company's work and quality standards.

-Gmail BETA has never crashed on me.
-Google Earth BETA has never crashed on me.
-Creative Labs BETA drivers have never crashed on me.
-Windows Vista BETA crashed on me twice in the 5 months I was exclusively using it.
-Open Office BETA has never crashed on me.

Apple releasing a crappy Beta product is absolutely 100% detrimental to their reputation and hopes to get a larger marketshare. I have not touched Safari for Windows, nor will I ever after hearing what crap Apple pushed out with it. At my photo lab (running PowerPC G5's), I have only used Firefox to browse. Never once touched Safari - it seemed lacking of features and visual elements.

Also, Safari for Windows is completely, COMPLETELY out of it's aesthetic spectrum. Jobs made a big point that Leopard will tie everything visual together to make the system unified - even the Apple homepage reflects this. However, Safari is released outside of the Windows standard visual elements. Windows has a set visual style - and releasing a product to the public that stubbornly sticks with the native style of the program is hypocritical. The quote "When in Rome..." comes to mind.

Apple released a crappy product to the public. Beta or not, it's still in the public eye.

Downloaded Safari 3.0 Beta for Mac and PC (running XP) yesterday. I have yet to see a crash... but I have seen some pages that do not display properly. I just hit the bug button and send the report. I hate using IE... Firfox is cool. On the plus side I do like the speed at which it uploads the pages and expanding the Text Input field is great.

For those of you having major problems... you must have Vista on your computer. That sucks.

I've tried Safari too. I must say, mainly because of the apple fanboys at Gizmodo. It was horrendous. Safari crashed during the import of bookmarks from a backup I made of my Firefox bookmarks. Sites didn't look as they're supposed to look. I'm back to Firefox.

What the hell is up with the picture on this post?

You know it is a beta, kids...
Sites all looked correct to me though...

Then again I am a software QA analyst/tester by profession so I could probably break it if I spent more than 20 minutes in it ;)

+1 on the "WTF" for the picture for this post

it sucks, the only page I can see is the default apple page and it's not fully rendered , I can't even type in the address bay. ….I want refund!

screen cap:
www.kmt-studio.com/transfer/cap.jpg

Personally, I'm a web developper. I'm currently on AJAX projects. I've been using Safari 3 BETA all day (on my mac.......), and it hasn't bugged once.

It was to be expected that the windows version would be more unstable. But If anyone recalls, the first Firefox beta was, well.... a LOT WORSE! Barely any forms were validaded correctly, Flash would lag like hell... etc.

A BETA that does not fail, is not called a beta.

Sorry PC users. Hope you'll enjoy the final release of Safari.

A BETA that does not fail, is not called a beta.

I don't think people were not expecting bugs or failures. To expect perfection is unreasonable.

I think people were expecting to not have MULTIPLE REMOTE CODE EXECUTION EXPLOITS available less than 24 hours hours after its release.

I suppose one could make the "Well whadda ya want for FREE" argument.

On the bright side, I imagine the Safari Team at Apple is hard at work making sure that Safari on the iPhone does not get similarly hacked on June 30. Folks in Cupertino wouldn't want their baby to get renamed "iPwned."

So what it comes down to is that MS can code just fine for Apple, but Apple can't code worth a shit for anything but OSX.

Tried it at work, full of disappointment. On my xp dual monitor pc, the sites weren't rendered correctly, constant crashes, etc.
Gave it a second try at home (vista laptop), none of the problems seem to exist (I'm wrting this post on safari). If these problems will be corrected, and the browser will render pages the same way as the mac version, more and more web developers will test their pages on Safari (including myself), mac users will benefit from this too.
However, apple really could leave the mac standards to mac only, porting them to windows ruins usability, whitch won't help, instead looks stupid and ignorant. I mean the forced interface, not working shortcuts(ctrl+t, not even 'backspace' works, not to mention back/forward mouse buttons).
Also Apple promotes it's browser already as the best browser, witch is BS even on a mac. Maybe it's nice and clean, easy to use, but the modularity of Firefox can not be beaten so easily. Without Firefox' excellent plugins it's just a nice decoration on the desktop/dock/taskbar.... any new feature on other browsers gets out as an extension on Firefox within days, so it's not going to be easy to beat it...
It's still the best Apple app I used on windows, iTunes & QuickTime suck, I try to avoid them as much as possible.

Bunny_rabid ++ (and amusing screen name)

First, there is a difference between an alpha, a beta, and a public beta, and different expectations to go along with them. Yesterday every other post on most forums was a NEW problem with safari. That indicates that they really didn't do a great job with QA up until that point. Granted this is the same company that shipped a copy of itunes that had a 100% bluescreen rate on Win2k, and shipped viruses to their customers, so they have never really shined in that department anyway, at least when it came time to take care of their windows customers (platform wars aside, a customer is a customer).

Futher, functional bugs aside, *ANY* publically released software should be well tested for security bugs, web browsers most especially. Two remote arbitrary execution exploits in 12 hours of release is downright shamefull. MS would have been eaten alive if this was a beta of IE 7. Couple that with Apple's random bragging about the relative security of their code vs. MS's (given the 100+ security vulnerabilities patched in OS X since january, compared to Vista's 7, they look a little moronic saying such anyway) they deserve all ridicule that can be directed at them for having such vulnerabilities.

Oh yeah See we all have realized it's a beta, and just because we are reporting errors doesn't mean we forgot. I'm saying them cause Stevsie reads the Giz.

Yeah I want on the fly spell checking for when I post. The edit spell check does the whole page.

New Bug I left it running and put my computer into sleep, and I hard to hard boot out of sleep mode, I'll wait until we are out of beta before I really use it.

Oh yeah it's a beta you M$ Fan boiz on yer zunes playin xbox and eatin on yer surface table, leave safari alone us Mac users don't take critique well.

Oh, one more thing. The last thing developers need is YET ANOTHER BROWSER+PLATFORM COMBINATION TO HAVE TO DETECT/HACK AROUND/ACCOUNT FOR. NO!!

wonder what fanboys have to say about this

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,132841-c,browsersecurity...

Oh yeah, Security researchers are dumb idiots.OSX is as secure as the white house is!!!

Safari 3 for windows should be an ALPHA build

Not Beta.....

Good Joke Steve..... we got it..... Now, can we have the real thing?

APPLE just sucks at coding for the Windows Platform....

i posted about another bug is has with dual monitors. another wonderful product from apple. This just proves all their resources have been sucked up by the iCan'tStanditPhone. Add this to the growing list of crappy software from apple for the pc.

I used Safari for about 2 days. Then, it stopped recognizing that I was typing, then i was like F.U. Apple!

Now if we can just replace the "insecure" with "Yes Sir" THEN we have ourselves a party. Yeee Haww!

That's OK...
MS will probably develop IE 8.0 for the MAC with an automatic virus translator from PC to MAC. So all MAC fans can enjoy the same viruses we get.

=)