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The.Smith
11/11/09

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Why cant I comment? #1062hackintosh
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Kaiser-Machead
11/11/09

@The.Smith: Comments pending approval cannot be seen until approved, is why. #1062hackintosh
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jibbly
11/11/09

@Kaiser-Machead: I feel like there should have been a "now settle down, Beavis, I'm trying to uh score some chicks, huh huh huh huh" after your explanation. #1062hackintosh
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Kaiser-Machead
11/11/09

@jibbly: Uhuhuhuhuh....I'm gonna score...but you're not..uhuhuh, cuz you're a flaming buttmonkey..uhuhuhuhuhuh #1062hackintosh
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albertojb
11/11/09

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Has anyone thought about the fact that Snow Leopard without atom support would probably mean that an eventual Apple Tablet will have a lesser OS (a la iPhone)? #1062hackintosh
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Zoolook
11/11/09

@albertojb: The Apple Tablet isn't going to have Atom, so the 'lesser' OS support won't be BECAUSE of this.

Having said that, I don't think anyone expects the tablet to run the full Mac OS X, do they? #1062hackintosh
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Nathan Obbards
11/11/09

@Zoolook: But they hope against hope that it does, or at least a pared down version and not mobile OS X, as seen on the iPhone. With Courier looking damn sexy and the nVidia tablet now that will probably run Android, they'd better have a tablet that can compete. If it's just a pared down iPhone OS, there is no reason to buy one, considering the competition, outside of blatant fanboyism. #1062hackintosh
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jepzilla
11/11/09

@albertojb: It's more likely that an Apple Tablet will run on one of the newer ARM processors, like the iPhone, than on x86 processors. It has the advantage of being more efficient, and Apple probably thinks they have enough developer mind-share to not need any sort of backwards-compatibility, especially if the API is similar to the iPhone's (which is likely). #1062hackintosh
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Kaiser-Machead
11/11/09

@Zoolook: I don't really know what to expect out of Apple on this one, but if it ends up being little more than a big ass iPhone, then DO NOT WANT. There's no real reason to believe that they wouldn't offer full OS X on a tablet. Anything more powerful than a netbook will run SL very well, and frankly, for something more akin to a full computer, I do not want to rely on the App Store for applications, and also do not want it to inherit the iPod limitations, like codecs and so forth.

Being able to play VLC on the tablet would be MOST welcome. Pretty freakin' please. #1062hackintosh
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Canoehead
11/11/09

@albertojb: Or a new, non-Atom processor with more kick-butt power! #1062hackintosh
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Zoolook
11/12/09

@Kaiser-Machead: I hear you, I'm just doubtful. We know that the tablet will have some kind of customised chip, and we also know that Snow Leopard was rebuilt and optimsed for Intel 64-bit. The two don't gel, something is amiss. #1062hackintosh
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Monty
11/11/09

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Sorry for the question, but why is this a "dick move" on the part of Apple? Is it because it is only being used by "hobbyists", or because we think it is okay to install OS X on whatever we want to install it on? What right does Apple have to dictate the use of their software? When I steal - er, I mean make a "hobbyist copy" of a movie, is it a dick move by the studio to do what they can to stop me?

It seems like this is just another case of "piracy" to some degree, and while we all take liberties on this subject, I am not certain it is a "dick move" by the company who "owns" (ignoring the open source content) the software to protect their product.

I will shut up now. My apologies, again. #1062hackintosh
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John Herrman
11/11/09

@Monty: It's definitely up for discussion, but these are loyal Mac fans, paying (though not always full price) for software to use on a product for which Apple has no direct competitor.

I can see why Apple might want to stop this kind of thing, but I can see more clearly how it's a dick move for them to go out of their way to do it. #1062hackintosh
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vercordio
11/11/09

@Monty: For what it's worth, I completely agree. As I said here when this issue was first confirmed, Apple is a hardware company. They don't care how many copies of OSX they sell. By installing Snow Leopard on anything other than a Mac, you've completely circumvented its entire purpose for being (i.e. to sell more Macs). Sorry, but this is hardly a "dick move." #1062hackintosh
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thePrototype
11/11/09

@John Herrman: They are not paying full price though. The only way to obtain a full version of the Mac OS is to purchase it with hardware. They are bypassing the upgrade path, and breaking the EULA #1062hackintosh
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HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H.
11/11/09

@thePrototype: So, why is it that, when we're comparing OSX to Windows, the $130 is the "full version" of the OS, but when we're talking Hackintoshing, it's only an upgrade license? #1062hackintosh
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thatsmrpotatohead2U
11/11/09

@John Herrman: And isn't it the fact that it is 'hobbyist' that makes it a dick move by Apple? I can completely understand their wanting to squish Psystar for trying to make money with Apple's intellectual property and someone else's inferior product. But if I , in the privacy of my own home, want to mate a consenting adult mini 10v with an up-for-it-and-legal copy of os X, who are Apple to tell me I can't? #1062hackintosh
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thePrototype
11/11/09

@HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H.: If anyone does that, they have no idea how Apple licenses their OS.

That being said, the Windows 7 upgrade pricing goes from $119 to $219. Those are the prices that should be compared against Snow Leopard's upgrade pricing of $29 #1062hackintosh
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NoelleBlue
11/11/09

@thatsmrpotatohead2U: I think it's your ending analogy that really got me! It's forbidden-relationship-macporn, baby.

Seriously, I agree, that's why it's a dick move - while I understand the argument of Apple not wanting to support Hackintoshing, I find their active attempt to squish it less than impressive. (And doomed to failure.) Apple attracts a lot of tech geeks with their shiny shiny things, and tech geeks are always going to futz around with limits once they tire of what they can do with the basic, supplied product.

But that IS Apple, really. "You can do whatever you want with our stuff, darlings!" is not exactly their tagline.
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thePrototype
11/11/09

@thatsmrpotatohead2U: The thing is, any copy of the OS that is running on the computer it did not sell with IS illegal. #1062hackintosh
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SigmundTheSeaMonster
11/11/09

@John Herrman: I didn't pay for Snow Leopard to be installed on my Mini 9. I paid for it to be installed on my MacPro. Since I like to tinker, the mini 9 is perfect "tool". If Apple intentionally did this to neuter the Hackintosh community, then the community will figure a way around it.
Which is irony when you look back at Woz and Phreaking... #1062hackintosh
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thatsmrpotatohead2U
11/11/09

@thePrototype: Fail. So I put Win 7 on my mac via boot camp, thats illegal? what if I only EVER boot up in 7 on my mac? What are they going to do, waterboard me until I hit the option on startup? #1062hackintosh
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thePrototype
11/11/09

@thatsmrpotatohead2U: No, you fail. Microsoft licenses their software individual of hardware, so you can purchase the full version from $199 to $319.

If you were to install Windows 7 upgrade without having purchased XP or Vista OEM at the same time you purchased your Mac you would be breaking the law. They may not waterboard you, but lots of corporations get handed million dollar fines for breaking software licensing agreements. #1062hackintosh
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The Lab
11/11/09

@thatsmrpotatohead2U: More like "who is the law to tell me I can't". That EULA is a binding legal document son. You break it and you are breaking a contract. The law is clear on this point. #1062hackintosh
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thatsmrpotatohead2U
11/11/09

@thePrototype: @The Lab: You guys are all assuming I wouldn't pay for the software. The kind of work I do I couldn't afford to take a chance like that.

Would your comments be any different in light of this? #1062hackintosh
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Monty
11/11/09

@thatsmrpotatohead2U: I think the argument here is that most of the cost of the OS X software is in the cost of the hardware. I suppose I could understand the logic of someone who owns a MacBook creating a Hackintosh since they already "paid" for OS X (though, they only paid for a single copy). However, if you merely purchased an upgrade license and do not own a Mac, you did not really pay for OS X. #1062hackintosh
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skevy
11/11/09

@Monty: I'm not saying that Apple should start writing frickin drivers for non-Apple machines - but what the hell is the point in killing support for shit like this? Is support for the Atom REALLY taking up space in the kernel that they need to use for something else? No.

I own a Macbook Pro, a copy of Leopard and a copy of Snow Leopard. Who in the hell are they to try to PREVENT me from doing what I want with my own (LEGAL) software? They don't have to condone, support, or even have an opinion on it, but they certainly don't have to take steps to kill it. It's ridiculous.

And for the record - my Hackintosh woops my MBP's ass. #1062hackintosh
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zeroprime
11/11/09

@The Lab: Clear as a foggy window. You're talking about
a non-negotiable contract between unequal parties. US courts have both upheld and shot down individual contracts of this sort in differing cases, but have not ruled on EULAs themselves. US courts tend to favor commercial organizations over individuals, though, so your appeal to authority may be right. #1062hackintosh
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not_a_virus.exe.vbs
11/11/09

@The Lab: Yes it is. But if you break it agents are not going to come knock down your door and arrest you. People keep making it seem if you break the EULA you are going to get assraped. I don't read the EULA at all and I don't care. I won't get caught. #1062hackintosh
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Nathan Obbards
11/11/09

@zeroprime: While I'm all for hackintoshing, the EULA argument is a tough one. Most companies have their EULAs readily available online for the end user to see, so when you purchase software to install, you cannot argue that you were unaware of what the EULA entailed as ignorance of the law is not an excuse. Since the EULA is freely available before purchase, it can be assumed that by purchasing software, you are implicitly agreeing to the EULA and then by installing it you are explicitly agreeing. It doesn't matter that there is no contractual negotiation so long as the EULA does not violate any federal or state laws. #1062hackintosh
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thePrototype
11/11/09

@not_a_virus.exe.vbs: My company just got fined millions of dollars for breaking EULAs, why don't you try and explain that to our legal department? #1062hackintosh
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AkkiRonin
11/11/09

@HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H.: You're just being inflammatory I guess but there is a bit of interesting information underneath the jab. Anytime you buy just the OS from Apple it is technically an upgrade. Original licenses only come via an installed version on one of their machines. That's why it's hard to explain why there's a $130 upgrade and a $30 upgrade for 10.6. #1062hackintosh
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not_a_virus.exe.vbs
11/11/09

@thePrototype: I am speaking about individuals, obviously. Someone who is an individual isn't going to get in trouble for breaking an EULA unless he is in idiot and broadcasts what he is doing out on the internet. #1062hackintosh
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not_a_virus.exe.vbs
11/11/09

@thePrototype: If you work in a company and they break the EULA the company is going to go after you like white on rice. #1062hackintosh
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thePrototype
11/11/09

@not_a_virus.exe.vbs: that may be the case, but that is the same is saying 'oh I'll only steal a hundred dollars, because they only really care if I steal a thousand'. #1062hackintosh
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not_a_virus.exe.vbs
11/11/09

@thePrototype: Maybe so. Like I said in my original post, I am not going to get in trouble fro breaking an EULA unless I am an idiot and go off and do something stupid. People should not be scared of getting in trouble for hackintoshing. #1062hackintosh
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thePrototype
11/11/09

@not_a_virus.exe.vbs: Just like you won't get a DUI as long as you stick to the backroads, and don't drive down main streets, right? #1062hackintosh
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not_a_virus.exe.vbs
11/11/09

@thePrototype: No. Being drunk and driving on your property won't get you a DUI. Breaking the EULA and doing it in your own home won't get you in trouble. Drinking and driving in the streets WILL get you in trouble, same way as breaking the EULA and letting every Tom, Dick and Jamal know what you are doing.

That analogy makes sense. #1062hackintosh
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not_a_virus.exe.vbs
11/11/09

@thePrototype: And i do know that not getting in trouble /= breaking the law. Yes it is wrong. But you won't get in trouble. it is a victim less crime like necrophilia. Or so I have been told. #1062hackintosh
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thePrototype
11/11/09

@not_a_virus.exe.vbs: I do know a person that passed out drunk in their car, in their driveway, and got a DUI... just sayin' #1062hackintosh
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not_a_virus.exe.vbs
11/11/09

@thePrototype: Probably wasn't California, was it? #1062hackintosh
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thePrototype
11/11/09

@not_a_virus.exe.vbs: it was Washington State... I also heard an old wives tale about someone passing out drunk in a vehicle that was on blocks and getting a ticket, not sure about that one though. #1062hackintosh
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