Sony can take their infuriatingly proprietary memory scheme products and shove all 32GB deep within their proprietary asses.
Sony makes some intriguing cameras, perhaps most notably the just-announced Cyber-shot DSC-WX1, but, under NO conditions, at all, would I EVER consider buying a product that locks you into non-standardized memory cards.
@bosskev:
I personally have not tried it but I know they do sell microSDHC to memory stick adapters. They are like $4 and they even have some with dual slots for 2x8gb. Olympus also has a sdhc to xD adapter for some of their cameras too.
So although propriety formats suck, at least there are some made in china solutions.
Memory stick doesn't bother me too much anymore. My old sony W1 gets my old PSP memory sticks and point and shoot cameras make it very difficult to use up 2gb of space.
I saw that video.. and I like that camera a lot, just wish it was cheaper.
Now upgrading from the compact flashes for my dslr to SDHC is another story
@bosskev: i think that since MS cards(pick your flavor) are supported in almost all card readers would be considered 'standardized'. Plus doesn't Olympus do the same thing with their cameras?
@firewolf006: "i think that since MS cards(pick your flavor) are supported in almost all card readers would be considered 'standardized'."
That a card reader does or does not read these cards does not mean the MS card is not proprietary. To the contrary, the only way you're going to actually use a Memory Stick is to capture images, and these Sony cards work ONLY with Sony cameras/devices. You want a Sony camera? You must use a Sony memory card--and that kind of a closed loop system is, ya' know, the very definition of "proprietary".
By comparision, (most of) the rest of the camera world uses either SD cards (consumer level) or CompactFlash cards (pro level), all much more widely available from many brands/vendors and, therefore not only being more accessible, but also more competitively priced. I own and actively use several models of cameras—including Nikon and Canon (and the Sony DSC-R1, which uses CF cards)—and can and do freely interchange cards across all of them.
"Plus doesn't Olympus do the same thing with their cameras?"
Not quite as badly in that the Olympus xD card format is also used by Fuji, possibly others. If I'm not mistaken the difference is that Olympus allowed their format to be licensed by others (as in Fuji), whereas Sony did not (but I could be wrong about that).
@crapcakes: My thoughts exactly. I have rarely stopped watching shows because they started to suck (I watched all of season three of LOST, and never stopped watching SNL), but I checked out halfway through this season. They made the show all about plot twists, regardless of whether or not it contradicts existing show mythology.
@Rob Yeahok: Considering that the majority of the top selling PMP's on the market don't even go beyond 32GB in size, I'd say that Microsoft knows what it's doing, as does Apple, since the iPod touch is a hit product. I don't see them offering a 64GB Zune HD successfully at the moment, as it would probably be prohibitively expensive.
...what? The iPod Touch is 32GB capped. The iPod Classic is 120 or 160, don't remember. If you want a Zune version, you can get a 120GB one.
You guys that claim to need 32GB or more for your music drive me up a wall. That is more music than you can possibly listen to between periods where you can hook it to a computer and update the library. And if you are claiming you need it for you uncompressed library, that just FURTHER proves how out of touch you are. None of these PMP's with the exception of some super high dollar ones that neither MS or Apple make, and you probably can't afford, have the proper audio processors inside them to make use of any music encoded about 256kbps MP3's.
Hell, I have had the same 4GB on my iPhone of music, and even listening every single day, I still don't feel the need to cycle it out all the time. I update as I go and remove things when I get tired of them, and it still stays at around 4-5GB.
I think people like you convince themselves they need more than they do.
@VulnoX: When I owned an 80GB iPod video, I was fairly certain that I'd never want to go lower than that. I like having a huge well of capacity to dump my content into, regardless of how unnecessary it seems. When the touch was released, I reevaluated this position based on the feature set involved. If not for the features, then capacity is all that there would be. That's the only reason why people even bother paying more for this when a player at more than 2-4 times the capacity can be had for so much less.
Arrgh, without an 80 or 120GB version, do not want. An entire season of Battlestar Galactica plus the four thousand songs in basic rotation plus various podcasts will not fit on one of those.
Grumble grumble. I suppose I'm stuck waiting for the larger variants to be released. Meanwhile, my trusty Z80 serves faithfully.
@Nick: i know, and to be honest if they open up development as i expect them to do and with that bad ass tegra inside, if they add a phone this will be a killer gadget to own, i mean my wife needs a new music player, because she likes her little nokia phone, so ill probably get one for her, but for me i really want this in phone version to replace my old iphone
I think that this is great for future netbooks. Why get a heavier, thirstier HDD when now you can plug in SD cards that are now sufficiently fast and have good capacity. In one year, we'll see 64GB and 128GB SDXC cards with 80MB/s read. Nice.
Also, how will CompactFlash compare? Will DSLRs start supporting mainly SDXC? Is there a revision of CF in the works?
@Noah Mayer: I would think there would have to be. I mean, aside from the external specs and interfaces, they're both just flash memory on the inside, right? So any flash memory upgrades that can be fit inside an SD card can fit even more inside a CF card, right? Of course, the other option is to just get a CF-style SD reader so you can use SD cards in everything, but still have the option of using CF cards in the larger cameras if you want.
@RayLast: I was kinda thinking the same thing. Look at how crappy the storage capacity on netbooks and flash-based iPods is. Imagine if they simply redesigning them with SD slots instead of built-in drives.
I don't want to spend hundreds of dollars and store Gigabytes of things on something I could easily lose. This is too far ahead of its time to be of any legitimate use and anyone making these can be assigned as idiots.
@ArrEmmDee: I would venture to say that the majority of people that use SD/SDHC/etc. regularly, really just stick the card in a device and plug the device into computers when they need to ul/dl files. So the card is rarely out on its own.
And furthermore, if you are incapable of hanging on to a ~quarter sized bit of plastic, then I put forth that YOU sir are an idiot. I have several SD cards and a couple of microSD cards, and I have yet to lose one.
Oh, and fcuk you, I'll stand in your lawn if I damn well please!
Ok this is getting fun. My first compy was a 286 system my dad bought at a local PC shop. 16Mhz and I believe a 40mb HDD. The ram was measured in kb back then but I don't recall how much. We even put a 287 math co-processor in that thing! I have fond memories of dear old dad teaching me the ropes of DOS and BASIC and him trying to keep me from playing Police Quest because of the "adult situations".
If you think SDHC/XC has an impressive size/cap spec, what about Micro SDHC eh? My phone has a 2gb but don't they go up to at least 8gb now? On a piece of PCB not much bigger than a fingernail. Wow really just doesn't cover it. Be lucky friends that we live in this exciting time. Who knows when the technology plateau will be reached but I don't think any time soon. We still have teleporters, flying cars, and warp drives to invent.
@CatboyMac's angry girlfriend: Oh man, that big? My first computer was a big hunk of junk that my uncle had written a DOS shell to boot the programs for me. I think my next computer, the ye olde Acer laptop, had maybe 75 MB HD space. When my grandpa got a PC with Windows 95 and 1 GB HD space, I nearly shit myself.
08/21/09
Sony makes some intriguing cameras, perhaps most notably the just-announced Cyber-shot DSC-WX1, but, under NO conditions, at all, would I EVER consider buying a product that locks you into non-standardized memory cards.
08/21/09
I personally have not tried it but I know they do sell microSDHC to memory stick adapters. They are like $4 and they even have some with dual slots for 2x8gb. Olympus also has a sdhc to xD adapter for some of their cameras too.
So although propriety formats suck, at least there are some made in china solutions.
Memory stick doesn't bother me too much anymore. My old sony W1 gets my old PSP memory sticks and point and shoot cameras make it very difficult to use up 2gb of space.
I saw that video.. and I like that camera a lot, just wish it was cheaper.
Now upgrading from the compact flashes for my dslr to SDHC is another story
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That a card reader does or does not read these cards does not mean the MS card is not proprietary. To the contrary, the only way you're going to actually use a Memory Stick is to capture images, and these Sony cards work ONLY with Sony cameras/devices. You want a Sony camera? You must use a Sony memory card--and that kind of a closed loop system is, ya' know, the very definition of "proprietary".
By comparision, (most of) the rest of the camera world uses either SD cards (consumer level) or CompactFlash cards (pro level), all much more widely available from many brands/vendors and, therefore not only being more accessible, but also more competitively priced. I own and actively use several models of cameras—including Nikon and Canon (and the Sony DSC-R1, which uses CF cards)—and can and do freely interchange cards across all of them.
"Plus doesn't Olympus do the same thing with their cameras?"
Not quite as badly in that the Olympus xD card format is also used by Fuji, possibly others. If I'm not mistaken the difference is that Olympus allowed their format to be licensed by others (as in Fuji), whereas Sony did not (but I could be wrong about that).
06/24/09
Alright then.
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It was too much effort to replace the image with a Lost, Entourage or 24 logo?
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I haaaaaaate IPOD's, but density drives the bus on this one, and its cruising right past MS's almost had me'ville.
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...what? The iPod Touch is 32GB capped. The iPod Classic is 120 or 160, don't remember. If you want a Zune version, you can get a 120GB one.
You guys that claim to need 32GB or more for your music drive me up a wall. That is more music than you can possibly listen to between periods where you can hook it to a computer and update the library. And if you are claiming you need it for you uncompressed library, that just FURTHER proves how out of touch you are. None of these PMP's with the exception of some super high dollar ones that neither MS or Apple make, and you probably can't afford, have the proper audio processors inside them to make use of any music encoded about 256kbps MP3's.
Hell, I have had the same 4GB on my iPhone of music, and even listening every single day, I still don't feel the need to cycle it out all the time. I update as I go and remove things when I get tired of them, and it still stays at around 4-5GB.
I think people like you convince themselves they need more than they do.
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*turns back to computer*
Oh, sorry post, my lunch just arrived. I wasn't actually talking to you.
06/24/09
Grumble grumble. I suppose I'm stuck waiting for the larger variants to be released. Meanwhile, my trusty Z80 serves faithfully.
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Maybe he was referring to the menu font on the first Zune.
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Also, how will CompactFlash compare? Will DSLRs start supporting mainly SDXC? Is there a revision of CF in the works?
03/06/09
I would think there would have to be. I mean, aside from the external specs and interfaces, they're both just flash memory on the inside, right? So any flash memory upgrades that can be fit inside an SD card can fit even more inside a CF card, right? Of course, the other option is to just get a CF-style SD reader so you can use SD cards in everything, but still have the option of using CF cards in the larger cameras if you want.
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I was kinda thinking the same thing. Look at how crappy the storage capacity on netbooks and flash-based iPods is. Imagine if they simply redesigning them with SD slots instead of built-in drives.
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And furthermore, if you are incapable of hanging on to a ~quarter sized bit of plastic, then I put forth that YOU sir are an idiot. I have several SD cards and a couple of microSD cards, and I have yet to lose one.
Oh, and fcuk you, I'll stand in your lawn if I damn well please!
03/06/09
If you think SDHC/XC has an impressive size/cap spec, what about Micro SDHC eh? My phone has a 2gb but don't they go up to at least 8gb now? On a piece of PCB not much bigger than a fingernail. Wow really just doesn't cover it. Be lucky friends that we live in this exciting time. Who knows when the technology plateau will be reached but I don't think any time soon. We still have teleporters, flying cars, and warp drives to invent.
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How utterly useless now, lol.
03/06/09
My first computer was an Apple IIGS - no hard drive there.
My second computer had a 230MB hard drive.
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And an old 286, which still works, can't remember how much space it has, but not more than 100mb.
Then I look at my 15x10mm 8gb microsd card lying on the table and I'm simply impressed at how fast technology evolves.
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