@Identity (Metric): i'm on the edge of my chair everyday waiting for the i7's to finally ship I want mine so bad! 8 gigs of ram is going to be so much fun to work with haha #imaci5speed
@johnnyabnormal: I *think* the answer is technically no, but more of a yes and no answer: Logic 9 supposedly offers better multi-core support, but is not yet optimized for Snow Leopard.
Since Logic does support multi-cores, and Logic SL support will only improve, if you're contemplating getting an iMac for Logic, I would definitely get an i5/i7.
@frigg: You bet your ass I'm upgrading soon! I have noticed that Logic Pro doesn't use all the cores in the G5 Quad. The latest version doesn't even run on a G5. The new iMac quad core configuration is actually more powerful than the G5 I have now, but I might wait till January to see what kind of beast is unleashed at the Mac Expo. #imaci5speed
@johnnyabnormal: If you are looking at a Mac Pro to replace the G5, keep in mind Apple has just been ploping them out into the market whenever, instead of releasing them at events. Most likely the Mac Pros will move to the Gulftown Xeons, meaning 6 and 12 core (12 and 24 with hyperthreading) beast boxes. #imaci5speed
@johnnyabnormal: I feel you...I wonder how good an iMac would really be at replacing a tower for Logic, how much you'd miss in terms of extra drives, cards, etc., for all that all-in-one goodness.
On another note, if you record enable a track, Logic tends to limit multi-core processing on purpose as a way to reduce latency (single core processing currently produces less latency than distributed processing across multiple cores).
As far as compatibility, Logic 9 will actually run on a G5, even though Apple doesn't officially support it.
But the writing's on the wall, and a new Logic ad to encourage hardware upgrades is reportedly in production that ends with a loin-clothed wrapped Charleton Heston fleeing a pack of malicious, talking apes only to discover a giant G5 Quad sticking out of a post apocalyptic beach sometime in Earth's future, attempting to boot up the latest version of Logic, generating a spinning beach ball of death and, screaming "Damn you! Damn You To Hell!!" drops to his knees in utter despair.... replaced by a 3 second full screen picture of one of Apple's shiny new iMacs. So, you know, maybe that is the way to go? #imaci5speed
As far as the cores go, if it doesn't using an i7 would be bad news because they use HT (hyper thread) which means that each core is split in two (not literally) and if the application doesn't support multiple cores it will run even slower than it would on a C2D.
@frigg: I'm also tempted to just get a bunch of servers and hook up some fiber/raid goodness for the bazillion orchestral samples I have. Even better to get them in another room so I don't have to hear the drives. #imaci5speed
Wow, I am really looking forward to building my own PC. But that 27" iMac with the i7 chip is making it difficult. At $2200, it's very difficult to build what I want with a with a 27" back-lit LED LCD monitor for much cheaper than the iMac.
...It's the monitor that kills my PC build's price. There isn't much available for that size/quality for a reasonable amount of $$$.
Also, yeah, the PC is still cheaper, but not by much. And when you consider that I plan on Hackintosh'ing it up, the pain factor goes up by a rather large amount. Not having to worry about any updates would be a nice plus. Kinda makes the now much smaller price difference pretty negligible.
...this iMac has kinda killed the Apple-tax (except for Mac Pro's).
@newgalactic: Yeah a 27" LED Back-lit IPS panel would run you about 1500 on the cheap side; if it was available yet.
As a previous hardcore gamer/build my own pc type i have been perfectly satisfied with my last gen high end iMac with the 3.06, 4gb ram and 8800gts. I play aion on high, cant play crysis on high but meh. My old rig (and now media server) was a q6600, 4gb ram and twin 8800 gtx's.
The one thing i just couldnt beat in price--and why i didnt buy a mac pro at the time-- was the 24" ips panel built in, which just rocks for working on and is pretty fucking awesome for gaming.
@newgalactic: I'm almost in the seat beside in that boat. I'll admit these new macs are actually kinda fairly priced by Apple's standards. And I'm also wanting to build my own PC in the next few months from scratch. (Well I bought a new 24" monitor recently to hook up to my laptop for starters...) The only aesthetic part I don't like about the new imacs is the sharp corners on the black screen's edge, I think the rounded ones would've looked much better.
Still I think input/output ports are kinda limited overall on macs, and building me a PC seems it would be a much more convenient road. Coupled with the fact that I'm a PC guy and want to get my hands in building a PC means I'll going with option a) Building a computer. (New macs do honestly look tempting with the specs n' all, but Windows is better for me, and I don't respect Apple)
@newgalactic: You also have to take into consideration that the screens are IPS.
It really depend on what you want. You want the nice design? iMac. You want to not be stuck with your specs and update when you feel like it? Hackintosh #imaci5speed
@oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...: I'd say give it 20 years before that even begins to be feasible. It takes a lot more than just processing power to decode and code neurological information. We need to learn more about the brain, and the hardware would have to be able to adapt to each person's uniquely connected brain. #imaci5speed
@sqlrob: Well I'm thinking more theoretically. For example a drink brand like Coke is going to last a lot longer than a tech brand (or so I imagine, a lot of tech hasn't been around as long as Coke). #imaci5speed
Damn... I love me some multi-threaded 64 bit goodness, regardless of the OS or platform... Might be time to upgrade and turn the G5 tower into a closet server. #imaci5speed
@hfutrell: to explain myself a little more ... the G5 has 120-140 watts idle power usage ... more if you've installed more RAM or additional hard drives. Leave that thing on 24-7-365 and you're looking at paying an extra $130-150 per year in electricity bills (based on 12 cents per kilowatt hour). #imaci5speed
I also had mixed feelings about the 27" screen. It's big, impressive, and blows you away at first sight, but at the same time it's rather fatiguing on the eyes because of the high dpi. Only time will tell if this iMac can be comfortably usable for long durations.
Also copious amounts of heat is correct. This iMac is sizzling hot to the touch near the CPU and GPU units. Could function very well as a heater in the cold winter months.
@Brian Lam: My laptop's screen has a pretty high DPI (1600*900 at 13.1 inches) and I have gotten used to it over time. I definitely think the extra pixels are worth getting used to the screen. #appleimac27inch
@Steve: the issue is that you sit closer to small laptopscreens than big 27 inchers. its like a tv with a resolution of a laptop. cellphone have even more res. #appleimac27inch
I'm interested in the 21.5-inch model, but does anyone know about its screen? I'm afraid it uses a TN panel like the old 20-inch model -- that was horrible, not only the brightness was uneven, but the COLOURS! If you had a picture on the bottom half of the screen and you dragged to the top half, its colours would change. It was that bad! #imac#appleimac27inch
I'm using the 27" iMac now, I just bought it. It's the $1700 one.
Yes, the screen rez is daunting. The app buttons and the text below them are really small, so are the side bar items on folders. All other on screen text can be increased in size to make it more readable.
The magic mouse is actually pretty cool. It is really flat, but intuitive. Took no getting used to at all. I increased the scroll and sweep to max speed and now it works nearly like I want it to. I used to use a Kensington two button mouse with scroll wheel on my old Mac and I'm not missing the wheel. The pointer almost makes it from corner to corner with a fast sweep, but I would like it to be just a little faster. I'll try to find a 3rd party app to speed it up a little more.
The 27 inch screen is huge. I mean HUGE. For the first few hours of use I felt like I was sitting in the front row of a movie theater. I'm rapidly getting used to it and like it. All in all, not much to complain about.
Also, I made the Apple store give me the extended USB keyboard with the number pad. The blue tooth keypad is tiny.
P.S. If you're running Leopard and hate the transparent top menu bar, download Onyx, it will let you change it to solid white. So much better.
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That 27' with the i7 is my new drug. However, there is one important detail to take note of with regards to the i7 version.
Most i7 mobo's have triple channel memory (and some other goodies). However, the iMac most likely uses a combo i5/i7 mobo. This will prevent the i7 version from taking advantage of triple channel memory, or any of the other i7 exclusive goodies.
While this is more of a "powerhouse" issue, and not really the domain of a stand-alone computer like the iMac, it is somewhat important to anyone really excited about the i7 version of the iMac. #appleimac27inch
I recently bought an iMac 24 (3.08, 4gb ram, 1tb, ATI 4850). And by recently I mean I received it less than a week ago. So needless to say that when I logged into apple.com and saw that my shiny new desktop was already yesterdays news I was a tad bit aggravated. So I just had to call up apple and see whats up.
I told the lady on the phone and she barely batted an eye before she said "no problem sir" Then paid for the shipping back, full refund, and I am currently waiting on my new iMac 27 (Quad 2.8, 8gb ram, 1tb, ATI 4850). Hopefully It ships out in early November and not later.
So I figured I would share with you all the great customer service apple has. I must say though. The only thing I didn't like about this new model was that I couldn't get a better graphics card than from my previous model. Other than that I can't wait!!!
@bonedog73: Well, it takes me all of 10 minutes to replace the HDD in a Mini since I *know how*.
What honestly confuses me is the Mac Mini colo people (I know a number of these people), who have been hacking extra drives and into minis and sticking them into data centers for years. I would think that having redundant hardware and easier servicing would outweigh the size/power advantages of the mini, but I'm apparently wrong on that one. #appleimac27inch
For the most part this looks to be3 a good update. Desktop grade processors are a great upgrade since laptop stuff is gimped compared to real desktop stuff. The 27" screen sounds really nice as well if it were sold separately I'd consider replacing one of my current stock of screens.
The cost seems a little crazy. 2k for a quad core is a lot of money(a lot!), my quad core PC cost $1200 and I bought it with 3 cable tuners. I would say this is a good option if you want a Mac desktop with some power but it's not enticing me into buying. #appleimac27inch
@Xeno: Your $1200 PC came with a 27inch, 2560x1440, LED Backlight display and it can run Snow Leopard to take advantage of all those cores (Grand Central)? Awesome, where did you get it? #appleimac27inch
@kaplanfx: Don't bring that stuff here. Almost any computer can run OSX with tweaking. It's just software. I have plenty of monitors including a 30". I wasn't forced to buy another monitor and when I want a new computer I won't be forced to buy another one. #appleimac27inch
This looks great for media-oriented uses (even better if it had a freaking Blu-Ray option!), but I think it's lacking for work functionality... namely losing vertical space by going to 16:9... Most webpagse/excel workbooks/etc., have more vertical than horizontal data, so that equals more swiping with your fancy new mouse (which according to Giz is not ergonomically friendly).
Also, the stock keyboard not having a number pad is dumb, I don't want to type on a laptop keyboard when I'm at a desktop. #appleimac27inch
@cc82: I work in Final Cut Pro. Going to 16:9 actually gives me a -lot- more working area.
Also, if you order from the Apple Store online you can substitute a wired keyboard with a numpad for the wireless one. It's what I did. #appleimac27inch
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Of course, I'm going to install 8 gigs of ram without paying Apple to do it. :) #imaci5speed
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Since Logic does support multi-cores, and Logic SL support will only improve, if you're contemplating getting an iMac for Logic, I would definitely get an i5/i7.
Looking to replace that G5 Quad? ;) #imaci5speed
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On another note, if you record enable a track, Logic tends to limit multi-core processing on purpose as a way to reduce latency (single core processing currently produces less latency than distributed processing across multiple cores).
As far as compatibility, Logic 9 will actually run on a G5, even though Apple doesn't officially support it.
But the writing's on the wall, and a new Logic ad to encourage hardware upgrades is reportedly in production that ends with a loin-clothed wrapped Charleton Heston fleeing a pack of malicious, talking apes only to discover a giant G5 Quad sticking out of a post apocalyptic beach sometime in Earth's future, attempting to boot up the latest version of Logic, generating a spinning beach ball of death and, screaming "Damn you! Damn You To Hell!!" drops to his knees in utter despair.... replaced by a 3 second full screen picture of one of Apple's shiny new iMacs. So, you know, maybe that is the way to go? #imaci5speed
11/13/09
As far as the cores go, if it doesn't using an i7 would be bad news because they use HT (hyper thread) which means that each core is split in two (not literally) and if the application doesn't support multiple cores it will run even slower than it would on a C2D.
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...It's the monitor that kills my PC build's price. There isn't much available for that size/quality for a reasonable amount of $$$.
Also, yeah, the PC is still cheaper, but not by much. And when you consider that I plan on Hackintosh'ing it up, the pain factor goes up by a rather large amount. Not having to worry about any updates would be a nice plus. Kinda makes the now much smaller price difference pretty negligible.
...this iMac has kinda killed the Apple-tax (except for Mac Pro's).
11/12/09
As a previous hardcore gamer/build my own pc type i have been perfectly satisfied with my last gen high end iMac with the 3.06, 4gb ram and 8800gts. I play aion on high, cant play crysis on high but meh. My old rig (and now media server) was a q6600, 4gb ram and twin 8800 gtx's.
The one thing i just couldnt beat in price--and why i didnt buy a mac pro at the time-- was the 24" ips panel built in, which just rocks for working on and is pretty fucking awesome for gaming.
Sorry for my lame rant. #imaci5speed
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Still I think input/output ports are kinda limited overall on macs, and building me a PC seems it would be a much more convenient road. Coupled with the fact that I'm a PC guy and want to get my hands in building a PC means I'll going with option a) Building a computer. (New macs do honestly look tempting with the specs n' all, but Windows is better for me, and I don't respect Apple)
11/12/09
It really depend on what you want. You want the nice design? iMac. You want to not be stuck with your specs and update when you feel like it? Hackintosh #imaci5speed
11/12/09
Moore's Law FTW. #imaci5speed
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Will the iMac brand still exist though? How long can a brand like this last? #imaci5speed
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"Whadda ya know! its working." #imaci5speed
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Nintendo is over 120 years old... #imaci5speed
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Its still impressive. #imaci5speed
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/Doesn't Care #imaci5speed
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I also had mixed feelings about the 27" screen. It's big, impressive, and blows you away at first sight, but at the same time it's rather fatiguing on the eyes because of the high dpi. Only time will tell if this iMac can be comfortably usable for long durations.
Also copious amounts of heat is correct. This iMac is sizzling hot to the touch near the CPU and GPU units. Could function very well as a heater in the cold winter months.
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Yes, the screen rez is daunting. The app buttons and the text below them are really small, so are the side bar items on folders. All other on screen text can be increased in size to make it more readable.
The magic mouse is actually pretty cool. It is really flat, but intuitive. Took no getting used to at all. I increased the scroll and sweep to max speed and now it works nearly like I want it to. I used to use a Kensington two button mouse with scroll wheel on my old Mac and I'm not missing the wheel. The pointer almost makes it from corner to corner with a fast sweep, but I would like it to be just a little faster. I'll try to find a 3rd party app to speed it up a little more.
The 27 inch screen is huge. I mean HUGE. For the first few hours of use I felt like I was sitting in the front row of a movie theater. I'm rapidly getting used to it and like it. All in all, not much to complain about.
Also, I made the Apple store give me the extended USB keyboard with the number pad. The blue tooth keypad is tiny.
P.S. If you're running Leopard and hate the transparent top menu bar, download Onyx, it will let you change it to solid white. So much better.
10/23/09
Most i7 mobo's have triple channel memory (and some other goodies). However, the iMac most likely uses a combo i5/i7 mobo. This will prevent the i7 version from taking advantage of triple channel memory, or any of the other i7 exclusive goodies.
While this is more of a "powerhouse" issue, and not really the domain of a stand-alone computer like the iMac, it is somewhat important to anyone really excited about the i7 version of the iMac. #appleimac27inch
10/23/09
I told the lady on the phone and she barely batted an eye before she said "no problem sir" Then paid for the shipping back, full refund, and I am currently waiting on my new iMac 27 (Quad 2.8, 8gb ram, 1tb, ATI 4850). Hopefully It ships out in early November and not later.
So I figured I would share with you all the great customer service apple has. I must say though. The only thing I didn't like about this new model was that I couldn't get a better graphics card than from my previous model. Other than that I can't wait!!!
10/23/09
I bought a Mac mini a few years ago, after a year it popped and smoked and died. Out of warranty so threw it in the trash.
This is why DELL monopolizes the market consumer and business. Their shit is easy to work on when breaks.
You have to spend 2 hours replacing a HD in an iMac where as in a DELL it takes 5min.. #appleimac27inch
10/26/09
What honestly confuses me is the Mac Mini colo people (I know a number of these people), who have been hacking extra drives and into minis and sticking them into data centers for years. I would think that having redundant hardware and easier servicing would outweigh the size/power advantages of the mini, but I'm apparently wrong on that one. #appleimac27inch
10/23/09
The cost seems a little crazy. 2k for a quad core is a lot of money(a lot!), my quad core PC cost $1200 and I bought it with 3 cable tuners. I would say this is a good option if you want a Mac desktop with some power but it's not enticing me into buying. #appleimac27inch
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Also, the stock keyboard not having a number pad is dumb, I don't want to type on a laptop keyboard when I'm at a desktop. #appleimac27inch
10/23/09
Also, if you order from the Apple Store online you can substitute a wired keyboard with a numpad for the wireless one. It's what I did. #appleimac27inch