Oh, although it's a cumbersome solution if you can get your 360 plugged into a computer with wireless you can get it online that way. It's a little fiddly as you have to set up a shared connection for it but it's a cheaper alternative to a dedicated adaptor. It works for PS3's too, which is useful if you want to connect your PSP to your PS3 via adhoc and don't have access to a wired connection.
Just to note any sort of wireless bridge will do the same job as MS's wireless adaptor too. #gizmodoremainders
I don't find anything that odd about the general premise of there being different tablets with different connections.
I imagine that VZW will offer one for their network, AT&T one for theirs, and the generic one that comes from the apple store would only have wi-fi. Or maybe the device will have the guts for 3G (various bands) and wi-fi and you just pick a carrier.
Maybe not. Now that I typed it out it does seem complicated but I could see it. #gizmodoremainders
@tande04: I don't know about the whole "pick your own carrier" thing, but I'm sure they will be tied to at least one carrier, sort of like 3G netbooks are now. However, there are models of netbooks without 3G, like my Asus Eee that are wi-fi only and are not tied to a carrier.
Where have I seen this from Apple before...iPhone/iPod Touch...? Hmmmm.....
Apple isn't going to "confuse consumers". I'm siding with the analysts in my beliefs about the Apple tablet on this one. I believe one model will have 3g with (most likely) AT&T, and one with just wi-fi.
Some consumers NEED internet everywhere. That's what the 3G model is for. However, I'm sure Apple knows that a HUGE customer base simply won't be attracted to ANOTHER contract on top of their iPhone, which is why they will opt for the non-3G model (as I know I will).
When you think about it, it makes more sense to have two models than just one 3G-only model.
Or maybe Apple will cater to the consumer and let you just insert your SIM to pick your carrier, like every GSM device should be... #gizmodoremainders
@ovil200: There were 3G notebooks and netbooks that were sold without being tied to a carrier well before the carriers started subsidizing them.
My notebook at my old job had a VZW chip in it, just not activated. If you go to customize a laptop you almost always get that choice as well. You pay full price (no subsidy) but you're not locked into anything. Seems like the carriers are starting to get more comfortable with the idea of being just a pipeline.
The only problem might be how much bulk both (three?) cards take up in the tablet. #gizmodoremainders
Dan, you know I love you and all, but I'm just not sure I'm comfortable with an ass-slap.
Also, if the Apple Tablet will keep a girlfriend from leaving, will it get me one. My couch needs a cuddle buddy and I think I'd be willing to pay the Apple tax for one. #gizmodoremainders
@92BuickLeSabre: And I guess this analyst just assumes that webOS (Pre), Android and WinMo 7 (whenever it comes out), is just going to sit idly by as Apple dominates all smartphone marketshare in the wake of Nokia's decline?
As if.
Someone telling me that the iPhone is going to completely dominate the future of smartphones, is someone who does not understand the mobile market at all.
At best, iPhone is just a flash in the pan product, much like Moto's RAZR a few years back. And last I checked to date, iPhone has yet to outsell RAZR, not saying that it won't but just making my point.
iPhone is simply just one product, by itself very much like the RAZR. If Apple were not so greedy and arrogant, and would open iPhone OS up as a format and allow other phone manufacturers to produce their own iPhones, that is a move that would likely guarantee iPhone dominance in the manner this analyst predicts. But then Apple and their exclusive partners, would not be able to control the iPhone marketplace any longer either. AT&T may like the idea, as it would mean more types of iPhones in their store, but 30 years of Apple history says that Apple is never going to budge on that.
Meanwhile, you have OSes like Palm's webOS and Android which are going into a wide variety of devices, carried by every mobile carrier on the planet. Android alone will be in over 20 devices globally by year's end. If each of those devices were to sell just a measly 1 million units each (which is highly likely in today's market), the Android smartphone marketshare would already equal Apples. And at the rate of Android global adoption by device manufacturers and carriers, averaging a million sells per device, place the Android marketshare double iPhone's marketshare by the end of 2010.
Same goes for webOS, which is just new on the market, but already smartphone makers are chomping at the bit, to get webOS into their devices, and carriers likewise to get Pre-like devices on their store shelves. Do not be surprised come Pre's first year anniversary, to see between 20 and 30 webOS devices on the market. Any of them could easily move a million units each.
Meanwhile, the likes of Microsoft, RIM and Nokia are not going to sit still for much longer before releasing their own next-generation smartphone platforms. I'll be highly surprised if another year goes by, and we do not have said devices in hand, marveling over the new innovations they have brought to the party.
I don't even know why anyone listens to analyst anyway. Some douche blindly saying that one phone is going to dominate the entire marketplace, is bullshit. The iPhone for the next several years may (and likely will) remain the most popular single mobile device on the market. But by itself, it hardly has the ability to conquer dominant marketshare over all other smartphone platforms once those platforms catch on and begin to proliferate. If that were the case, then the iMac should have completely dominated the desktop computer market a decade ago. It did not happen then, because it was simply one company making one device vs. an entire industry of companies making a myriad of uniform devices. And it will not happen now, for the exact same reasons.
I love the iPhone, just as much as I love the RAZR a few years back, but that does not mean I am going to allow myself to fall under the illusion that a single phone, made by a single company, sold exclusively by a limited number of carriers, is going to carry industry dominant marketshare - ever. Especially not when competitors are already offering comparable and/or superior devices into the same marketplace. I cant believe they pay these analysts to say the bullshit that they say. And they wonder why the economy is in such a wreck now. Too many dickwads getting paid too much money to give everyone bad advice.
Apple sell one phone. That's it. One. If you like your phones in a shape or size other than "brick-with-no-buttons" - which is the vast majority of the wider handset market - then you don't go with Apple.
Apple would need a hell of a lot more variety in their lineup to overtake Nokia.
@TheCrudMan: Why do people insist on calling them dumb phones? No, I don't need to check the internet when I am among friends. No, I don't need to check my facebook status while driving my car.
Let me apologize for all the people who enjoy their 3 day long battery life and just text and call. I sincerely apologize on behalf of all us degenerates.
I'm sure your phone is perfectly good at making calls. Maybe even great. Most certainly better than my smart phone is. It's just not very capable when it comes to doing anything else. It can't handle the complicated problems. We love it anyway. Just the way it is. It's just kind of dumb.
@Professional_Iceberg_Hunter: You're not a degenerate, maybe just not as progressive as everyone else. If you're happy with it that's a good thing, but soon every phone will be a smart phone, whether you like it or not.
@unibrow4o9: And when that happens my dear friend Watson, is when there is going to be a shooting.
There is going to be a market for dumb phones for quite a while, so don't hold your breath.
But seriously, I like the build quality of dumb phones. You can drop them bastards two ways to Sunday. They don't require much charging (I like to starve mine), and they make some great replacement rocks.
@94 Impala: Yeah, my phone is great. You best believe it. Sure, it may be a bastard phone, but like I said, it gets the job done.
Yes, I mispelled your name on purpose. I'm that bad. Dare insult my phone again Mr. Ferrari. I dare ya.
@92BuickLeSabre: You can install Google Maps, Opera Mini, and other free Java apps on dozens of "dumb phones" at which point it's hard to tell them from smart phones.
I think so few users do this because they don't have a data plan and are afraid of the charges, and more importantly because marketing has fooled them into thinking they have to get a smartphone to do more than phoning/photos/texting. And some people are genuinely clueless about their phone, I've shown them how to play music off its SD card and their eyes glaze over.
@skierpage: "Dumb" phones are certainly more capable than they used to be, but on the whole, they're still far more limited in terms of processing power and application support, so even if they're not actually dumb, they are subject to the relative comparison to phones that are on par in capability with some computers. My Sony Ericsson is far more capable than its older siblings, but compared to a Nokia E71, iPhone et al, it's pretty dumb.
I still have a lot of doubts that Palm will still be around in a couple years actually. The marketplace is increasingly competitive and the much deeper pockets at Apple, Google, RIM and Microsoft mean they aren't going anywhere. But good for Palm. I hope they manage to survive after leading the handheld revolution.
@Ron-Mexico: Given the new OS and their new staffing group (made up heavily of former Apple staff), I am not certain anyone has any concept of where Palm will be in a couple of years. There is zero question, however, that they have turned a dramatic corner, and I cannot see any evidence that there is a reason they would suddenly collapse in that time frame. Well, unless they decide to abandon their new success strategy and hang themselves - which is always a possibility. But, I suspect that is not in their two year strategic plan.
With the iPhone Apple as ben verysuccessful bcause theymade a phone that people wan to use and liek to use. If they can keep this up they will kick some ass!
If Benjamin Reitzes starts writing obvious drivel that any monkey with bifocals and a firecracker up its ass could've come up with, and starts losing interest from his readership, his career will run into problems.
If I keep commenting on Gizmodo instead of working, I will run into problems.
Is douchebaggery a Gizmodo writer's requirement or is that obvious? Taking one line out of context and making a useless post about it. Like if we went to Mr Chen's last post and quoted him "Sprint's allowed to make whatever change and sell their phones wherever they want", well gee, does that need to be said either?
@wichsenstar13: The entire article was drivel. Basically, the article said that Apple has a conference next week. Other companies make smartphones. Apple has to compete with those companies. Apple is perceived as leading the industry. If Apple loses that perception, then it won't be able to use that to distinguish itself. So Apple needs to keep reinforcing the perception that it is an industry leader.
These are extraordinarily shallow observations. There is no insight to any of it. That quote, though, took the cake because it is so generic and so basic. If you make things and people want to buy them, then you will not succeed.
This isn't snarking. It's getting caught trying to foist pablum as something remotely insightful.
@wichsenstar13: If the quote was taken out of context, it was taken out of context by the original NYT editor, not Chen or ponies. Look back at the original article and you will see that there was no extra context to the quote that makes the quote not seem so stupidly obvious.
You know what is douchebaggery, though? Posting insulting comments about an editor's writing style on a free blog as if you were somehow cheated of the money you paid to visit the site.
So wait, does the company run into problems after the undesirable products hit the market and people start dumping them for their competitors, or during? I'd like this cleared up, thanks.
11/17/09
Just to note any sort of wireless bridge will do the same job as MS's wireless adaptor too. #gizmodoremainders
11/17/09
I imagine that VZW will offer one for their network, AT&T one for theirs, and the generic one that comes from the apple store would only have wi-fi. Or maybe the device will have the guts for 3G (various bands) and wi-fi and you just pick a carrier.
Maybe not. Now that I typed it out it does seem complicated but I could see it. #gizmodoremainders
11/17/09
I choose mosquito!
...sorry, I am really feeling this stout. #gizmodoremainders
11/17/09
Where have I seen this from Apple before...iPhone/iPod Touch...? Hmmmm.....
Apple isn't going to "confuse consumers". I'm siding with the analysts in my beliefs about the Apple tablet on this one. I believe one model will have 3g with (most likely) AT&T, and one with just wi-fi.
Some consumers NEED internet everywhere. That's what the 3G model is for. However, I'm sure Apple knows that a HUGE customer base simply won't be attracted to ANOTHER contract on top of their iPhone, which is why they will opt for the non-3G model (as I know I will).
When you think about it, it makes more sense to have two models than just one 3G-only model.
Or maybe Apple will cater to the consumer and let you just insert your SIM to pick your carrier, like every GSM device should be... #gizmodoremainders
11/17/09
My notebook at my old job had a VZW chip in it, just not activated. If you go to customize a laptop you almost always get that choice as well. You pay full price (no subsidy) but you're not locked into anything. Seems like the carriers are starting to get more comfortable with the idea of being just a pipeline.
The only problem might be how much bulk both (three?) cards take up in the tablet. #gizmodoremainders
11/17/09
Also, if the Apple Tablet will keep a girlfriend from leaving, will it get me one. My couch needs a cuddle buddy and I think I'd be willing to pay the Apple tax for one. #gizmodoremainders
07/07/09
As far as we're concerned Nokia has already ceased to exist. Your pretty pictures are just the coroner's report.
07/16/09
As if.
Someone telling me that the iPhone is going to completely dominate the future of smartphones, is someone who does not understand the mobile market at all.
At best, iPhone is just a flash in the pan product, much like Moto's RAZR a few years back. And last I checked to date, iPhone has yet to outsell RAZR, not saying that it won't but just making my point.
iPhone is simply just one product, by itself very much like the RAZR. If Apple were not so greedy and arrogant, and would open iPhone OS up as a format and allow other phone manufacturers to produce their own iPhones, that is a move that would likely guarantee iPhone dominance in the manner this analyst predicts. But then Apple and their exclusive partners, would not be able to control the iPhone marketplace any longer either. AT&T may like the idea, as it would mean more types of iPhones in their store, but 30 years of Apple history says that Apple is never going to budge on that.
Meanwhile, you have OSes like Palm's webOS and Android which are going into a wide variety of devices, carried by every mobile carrier on the planet. Android alone will be in over 20 devices globally by year's end. If each of those devices were to sell just a measly 1 million units each (which is highly likely in today's market), the Android smartphone marketshare would already equal Apples. And at the rate of Android global adoption by device manufacturers and carriers, averaging a million sells per device, place the Android marketshare double iPhone's marketshare by the end of 2010.
Same goes for webOS, which is just new on the market, but already smartphone makers are chomping at the bit, to get webOS into their devices, and carriers likewise to get Pre-like devices on their store shelves. Do not be surprised come Pre's first year anniversary, to see between 20 and 30 webOS devices on the market. Any of them could easily move a million units each.
Meanwhile, the likes of Microsoft, RIM and Nokia are not going to sit still for much longer before releasing their own next-generation smartphone platforms. I'll be highly surprised if another year goes by, and we do not have said devices in hand, marveling over the new innovations they have brought to the party.
I don't even know why anyone listens to analyst anyway. Some douche blindly saying that one phone is going to dominate the entire marketplace, is bullshit. The iPhone for the next several years may (and likely will) remain the most popular single mobile device on the market. But by itself, it hardly has the ability to conquer dominant marketshare over all other smartphone platforms once those platforms catch on and begin to proliferate. If that were the case, then the iMac should have completely dominated the desktop computer market a decade ago. It did not happen then, because it was simply one company making one device vs. an entire industry of companies making a myriad of uniform devices. And it will not happen now, for the exact same reasons.
I love the iPhone, just as much as I love the RAZR a few years back, but that does not mean I am going to allow myself to fall under the illusion that a single phone, made by a single company, sold exclusively by a limited number of carriers, is going to carry industry dominant marketshare - ever. Especially not when competitors are already offering comparable and/or superior devices into the same marketplace. I cant believe they pay these analysts to say the bullshit that they say. And they wonder why the economy is in such a wreck now. Too many dickwads getting paid too much money to give everyone bad advice.
07/07/09
Apple sell one phone. That's it. One. If you like your phones in a shape or size other than "brick-with-no-buttons" - which is the vast majority of the wider handset market - then you don't go with Apple.
Apple would need a hell of a lot more variety in their lineup to overtake Nokia.
07/07/09
07/07/09
Let me apologize for all the people who enjoy their 3 day long battery life and just text and call. I sincerely apologize on behalf of all us degenerates.
07/07/09
I'm sure your phone is perfectly good at making calls. Maybe even great. Most certainly better than my smart phone is. It's just not very capable when it comes to doing anything else. It can't handle the complicated problems. We love it anyway. Just the way it is. It's just kind of dumb.
07/07/09
07/07/09
There is going to be a market for dumb phones for quite a while, so don't hold your breath.
But seriously, I like the build quality of dumb phones. You can drop them bastards two ways to Sunday. They don't require much charging (I like to starve mine), and they make some great replacement rocks.
@94 Impala: Yeah, my phone is great. You best believe it. Sure, it may be a bastard phone, but like I said, it gets the job done.
Yes, I mispelled your name on purpose. I'm that bad. Dare insult my phone again Mr. Ferrari. I dare ya.
07/07/09
07/07/09
I think so few users do this because they don't have a data plan and are afraid of the charges, and more importantly because marketing has fooled them into thinking they have to get a smartphone to do more than phoning/photos/texting. And some people are genuinely clueless about their phone, I've shown them how to play music off its SD card and their eyes glaze over.
07/08/09
06/30/09
See the chasm; take a leap; reap the rewards on the other side.
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06/05/09
Here's my first draft at Apple analysis:
With the iPhone Apple as ben verysuccessful bcause theymade a phone that people wan to use and liek to use. If they can keep this up they will kick some ass!
OK- what do you think?
06/05/09
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06/05/09
If I keep commenting on Gizmodo instead of working, I will run into problems.
06/05/09
I can only hope that he uses that line in other sectors.
If GM starts making cars people don't want, and starts losing buyers, then GM's strategy will run into problems.
If Madonna starts making albums people don't want, and starts losing listeners, then her strategy will run into problems.
If the GOP starts promoting political positions people don't want, and starts losing voters, then the Republicans' strategy will run into problems.
If the Church starts making dogma that people don't want, and starts losing worshippers, then the Church's strategy will run into problems.
06/05/09
Oh, wait, the number of followers I have doesn't make me money.
06/05/09
PS
GM has been doing it for years now.
06/05/09
Not funny.
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06/05/09
You're totally off base guy, and I saw no such thing.
06/05/09
These are extraordinarily shallow observations. There is no insight to any of it. That quote, though, took the cake because it is so generic and so basic. If you make things and people want to buy them, then you will not succeed.
This isn't snarking. It's getting caught trying to foist pablum as something remotely insightful.
06/05/09
You know what is douchebaggery, though? Posting insulting comments about an editor's writing style on a free blog as if you were somehow cheated of the money you paid to visit the site.
06/05/09
"Apple has had a nice rally because they put up very strong numbers, and at the end of the day it will still be all about numbers."
Yes, Apple's stock has performed well because Apple's products have sold well. And, investors like to invest in companies whose products sell well.
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