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Sorry HTC, but after gazing my eyes upon the Moto Droid; I'm going to wait to see whats next in the pipeline...plus I have Sprint. :( #android20onhtchero
@Neimo:
Negative.
I'll probably rue making this statement but I work for Sprint, and I currently have a Pre. I love my Pre, and Sprint is the tits, especially the plans. I'm just open minded enough to realize hotness. #android20onhtchero
This sounds wonderful to me, I really can't wait for Sense UI + Eclair to come to my phone.
Anyway, I am also getting a bit annoyed by the general tone with the Hero. I can't speak for the GSM version, but the Sprint (CDMA) version is very polished as it is. Personally, I think the Sprint version looks a bit better, with the exception to the button area. If you look at the back and top of the phone, you'll probably agree.
Far as I can tell, there is no lag in the UI, it does take a second to switch from portrait to landscape. It can tend to bog down if I am running too many applications in the back, but taskkiller eliminates that problem. Website zoom is very smooth (as opposed to one review video I watched). The ability to continuously type on the virtual keyboard is unmatched by almost anything. I miss the keys A LOT, but 95%, it knows what I want, and it's seamless, you just keep typing.
If you ask anyone who has the Hero, or even a few fans of HTC, they'll tell you this phone is the one to get for 2009, and probably most of 2010. #android20onhtchero
@Ninety-9: Presumably sometime next year HTC will come out with a Super Hero using a Cortex-A8 and most people won't bother with the original. So with respect to your prediction the question is will it come out before July? #android20onhtchero
@Ninety-9: The software update a while back fixed most of the lag. I was running the original Hero ROM on my HTC Magic -- it lagged like shit. I re-flashed my Magic with the updated, faster Hero ROM and its very fast (but obviously still no where near the iPhone's speed).
Typing is great, though, except for in the web browser, where it's practically unusable due to the lag. I can type very fast on my Magic, and even though the iPhone allows me to physically type faster due to the better responsiveness, overall the Magic wins because of its superior spell-check. #android20onhtchero
I still don't understand as to why Gizmodo keeps harping on the "tragically flawed" aspect as the firmware update that's now standard issue on the phone virtually eliminated all the sluggishness they complained about. Seemingly every other gadget site out there have acknowledge the speedier update yet Giz seems either oblvious to it or unwilling to mention it. #android20onhtchero
@TheScantronman: Here is the simple breakdown for you: We hates Android, my iPrecious, we hates it forever! Oh wait.. Android 2.0 has a lot of nice features... uhhh Uhhh UHHH GIZ HATES FILTHY ANDROIDSES! Niiiice iPhone, my iPrecious... iPrecious... #android20onhtchero
We're still not 100% sure what android 2.0 really looks though if I'm not mistaken.
We've got a Moto version of it but I've seen nothing to indicate that is how the regular 2.0 build is going to look. I'm sure that sense will look just fine on top of it and all features will be preserved.
@tande04: I'm pretty sure that motorola said this is your basic "google experience" android phone.. I interpret that as run of the mill android 2.0 #android20onhtchero
@Sir Gibler: I just took that to mean they didn't re-purpose it like they did with blur. I never got the impression that it wasn't still skinned. Could be wrong. #android20onhtchero
@tande04: we know how it looks, they officially released the 2.0SDK (Which includes the 2.0 emulator, which you can play with on your pc). #android20onhtchero
Why is this news? Shouldn't this be a given? That's why I love my iPhone. There's no question of whether or not I'll be getting an update.. -_- #android20onhtchero
@jellotime91: It is a given. How is there even an iPhone comparison in there? Maybe if they were charging $10 for it you could at least make a iPod touch comparison. #android20onhtchero
@tande04: it's not really a given. Are we forgetting that Android phones from the same maker (HTC) don't all get the same software officially? And there are Android phones still being sold while we have no idea if they will get the 2.0 update or not. The G1 likely will not, yet it is still being sold on contract on many carriers. #android20onhtchero
@jellotime91: You know I'm going to have to give you that.
Its still mostly a given though. Android has pushed all updates just like apple has with the iphone. There is hardware limitations here that will likely prevent it from being on the G1 (which is a current phone but defiantly at the end of its life). Thats just how it works though. Even the updates on the iPhone is still hardware limited. #android20onhtchero
@jellotime91: I still have no idea where this idea that the G1 won't get anything past 1.6 popped up. It just seemed to spark out of nothing, never really get confirmed, and is now treated as fact despite that no figures on how much space the 2.0 update will take have ever surfaced.
Besides, it's never really a given that you'll ever get an update for a device. Eventually apple will release a new version of the iPhone that will software that is just too much for the old 1st generation iPhones to handle. It just so happens that Android is evolving quite quickly now, so hardware is more prone to being tossed asunder.
Besides besides, the carriers have a lot of say about what updates they push, and carriers can suck sometimes ;) #android20onhtchero
@fryhole: The point is Apple hasn't sold the first gen iPhone for 2 years now, so after they haven't been selling it for 3 whole years come June, they shouldnt provide updates for it anymore because nobody who bought it on a contract during the time it was being sold still has to use it.
The G1 and other android phones are still being sold on contracts and we don't know if they will receive the 2.0 update. The G1 is being sold in Canada on THREE YEAR contracts. Do you honestly think that the G1 is going to get an android 3 or 4.0 update when it comes out? HELL NO.
They shouldn't be selling the device anymore when they don't have plans to continue releasing updates for it. It's totally unfair to the consumer, and the way android updates are done the consumers are pretty much in the dark, whereas with the iPhone you plug it in and iTunes tells you there's an update. :/ #android20onhtchero
@jellotime91: I get what you're saying, but I think what's worth keeping in mind is that there hasn't been any substantiated proof that the G1 and the Magic won't get the update. Beyond that, I think when you lock yourself into a phone for 2 years you just have to expect that something cooler is going to come out before your contract is up, software or hardware. You buy a phone for what it is, not what it could be. Receiving updates after purchase isn't a guarantee, but the android companies seem to be continuing the trend of updating as long as it is reasonable (see the 2.0 rumors working on the G1, or the Hero getting 2.0).
The fact is, no one is yet selling a phone that for sure won't get this update. All we have are rumors, and the telecom's shouldn't stop selling a phone that people will buy just because of a rumor it won't get an update in the future.
Of course none of that changes the face that if I don't get the 2.0 update with my G1 from T-mobile, I'll be upset. But the benefits of an open platform are that someone will get the update to the phone if it is possible, it just may be a bit more work. #android20onhtchero
@fryhole: Your posts on this subject have been the most logical and well thought out that I've read in a while. Please, keep up the great work, but be forewarned: Logic won't always save you from the trolls and fanboys. No doubt, with commenting this sharp, you'll soon have a star to shield you, as well. #android20onhtchero
@tande04: Did you? Tragically flawed meant it was slow and slugglish navigating through the phone. If you have been keeping up with the hero you would know that that article is old and the software was optimized way before it was even released on Sprint.
The hero is one of the top of the line Android phones and it can remain that way with the new 2.0 update. #android20onhtchero
@NyC88Rican et al.: Hero is already outdated even with 2.0 and its quickly getting more so.
The "hero" is the "other" droid launching on VZW. The cheap one that no one really cares about.
The specs are seriously outdated when you start comparing it to android phones in the pipeline.
Software updates don't make it more current. They don't fix processor or screen resolution. It may change how the processor crunches on the sense UI but thats still the limitations.
If I were deciding between an android phone and an iPhone (which I think was the original poster's real intent). The hero isn't even on the list now 2.0 or not. #android20onhtchero
@tande04: Software was what made it tragically flawed, that was the whole point of my first post and yours. You tried to blame the hero on something that had already been fixed, so I thought that comment was out of line.
Software updates don't make it more current? I hope that's a joke because that is exactly what it does, for software not hardware, which is we were talking about.
Obviously, the hero is going to be outdated when comparing it with phones that haven't even come out yet. Isn't that the point? Right now the hero is out there and people want to be included with the new updates that android has to offer, more and more android phones are going to roll out and at least half of them are going to be better hardware wise than the ones before it.
Lastly, i'm pretty positive that they are deciding between the iphone and the hero that is on sprints network which is already out. And by no means is the hero not on the list. It definitely is still and will be one of the top sprint phones for awhile. #android20onhtchero
@NyC88Rican: Actually my whole point is that I think he got it confused with the droid in all of today's android hoopla.
But on your other points...
No, no joke. Software doesn't change hardware and that was my point. It may add features but if the hardware can't pull its weight its pointless. The underlying problem was never "just" the software. It was the hardware running it that strained to keep up.
And you're right it is the point to compare it to phones that aren't out yet. When some one says "should I get this or this" at this point you're silly to not say "why not wait a week and get one of the best reviewed android handsets yet". Thats why we read stuff like this and come here. Hell I tried to convince my friend to just wait a week for it when he thought he lost his phone. He didn't like that idea for some reason. So no, its not about whats out right now because right now there is no hero with 2.0 so its silly to buy one on the promise of 2.0 when there is a phone with better hardware and software only a few short days away.
Again, I'm not 100% sure he even knew what he was really comparing it to, but the hero currently on Sprint is the same as the phone thats going to be on VZW (thus the quotes) which is going as a budget phone. It may be on a Sprint short list but its a stretch to infer thats where he was going with it. Its not on any other short list that I have though.
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Negative.
I'll probably rue making this statement but I work for Sprint, and I currently have a Pre. I love my Pre, and Sprint is the tits, especially the plans. I'm just open minded enough to realize hotness. #android20onhtchero
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the Sprint NFL app sucks balls. #android20onhtchero
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Anyway, I am also getting a bit annoyed by the general tone with the Hero. I can't speak for the GSM version, but the Sprint (CDMA) version is very polished as it is. Personally, I think the Sprint version looks a bit better, with the exception to the button area. If you look at the back and top of the phone, you'll probably agree.
Far as I can tell, there is no lag in the UI, it does take a second to switch from portrait to landscape. It can tend to bog down if I am running too many applications in the back, but taskkiller eliminates that problem. Website zoom is very smooth (as opposed to one review video I watched). The ability to continuously type on the virtual keyboard is unmatched by almost anything. I miss the keys A LOT, but 95%, it knows what I want, and it's seamless, you just keep typing.
If you ask anyone who has the Hero, or even a few fans of HTC, they'll tell you this phone is the one to get for 2009, and probably most of 2010. #android20onhtchero
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Typing is great, though, except for in the web browser, where it's practically unusable due to the lag. I can type very fast on my Magic, and even though the iPhone allows me to physically type faster due to the better responsiveness, overall the Magic wins because of its superior spell-check. #android20onhtchero
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Its still mostly a given though. Android has pushed all updates just like apple has with the iphone. There is hardware limitations here that will likely prevent it from being on the G1 (which is a current phone but defiantly at the end of its life). Thats just how it works though. Even the updates on the iPhone is still hardware limited. #android20onhtchero
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Besides, it's never really a given that you'll ever get an update for a device. Eventually apple will release a new version of the iPhone that will software that is just too much for the old 1st generation iPhones to handle. It just so happens that Android is evolving quite quickly now, so hardware is more prone to being tossed asunder.
Besides besides, the carriers have a lot of say about what updates they push, and carriers can suck sometimes ;) #android20onhtchero
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The G1 and other android phones are still being sold on contracts and we don't know if they will receive the 2.0 update. The G1 is being sold in Canada on THREE YEAR contracts. Do you honestly think that the G1 is going to get an android 3 or 4.0 update when it comes out? HELL NO.
They shouldn't be selling the device anymore when they don't have plans to continue releasing updates for it. It's totally unfair to the consumer, and the way android updates are done the consumers are pretty much in the dark, whereas with the iPhone you plug it in and iTunes tells you there's an update. :/ #android20onhtchero
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The fact is, no one is yet selling a phone that for sure won't get this update. All we have are rumors, and the telecom's shouldn't stop selling a phone that people will buy just because of a rumor it won't get an update in the future.
Of course none of that changes the face that if I don't get the 2.0 update with my G1 from T-mobile, I'll be upset. But the benefits of an open platform are that someone will get the update to the phone if it is possible, it just may be a bit more work. #android20onhtchero
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The hero is one of the top of the line Android phones and it can remain that way with the new 2.0 update. #android20onhtchero
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The "hero" is the "other" droid launching on VZW. The cheap one that no one really cares about.
The specs are seriously outdated when you start comparing it to android phones in the pipeline.
Software updates don't make it more current. They don't fix processor or screen resolution. It may change how the processor crunches on the sense UI but thats still the limitations.
If I were deciding between an android phone and an iPhone (which I think was the original poster's real intent). The hero isn't even on the list now 2.0 or not. #android20onhtchero
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Software updates don't make it more current? I hope that's a joke because that is exactly what it does, for software not hardware, which is we were talking about.
Obviously, the hero is going to be outdated when comparing it with phones that haven't even come out yet. Isn't that the point? Right now the hero is out there and people want to be included with the new updates that android has to offer, more and more android phones are going to roll out and at least half of them are going to be better hardware wise than the ones before it.
Lastly, i'm pretty positive that they are deciding between the iphone and the hero that is on sprints network which is already out. And by no means is the hero not on the list. It definitely is still and will be one of the top sprint phones for awhile. #android20onhtchero
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But on your other points...
No, no joke. Software doesn't change hardware and that was my point. It may add features but if the hardware can't pull its weight its pointless. The underlying problem was never "just" the software. It was the hardware running it that strained to keep up.
And you're right it is the point to compare it to phones that aren't out yet. When some one says "should I get this or this" at this point you're silly to not say "why not wait a week and get one of the best reviewed android handsets yet". Thats why we read stuff like this and come here. Hell I tried to convince my friend to just wait a week for it when he thought he lost his phone. He didn't like that idea for some reason. So no, its not about whats out right now because right now there is no hero with 2.0 so its silly to buy one on the promise of 2.0 when there is a phone with better hardware and software only a few short days away.
Again, I'm not 100% sure he even knew what he was really comparing it to, but the hero currently on Sprint is the same as the phone thats going to be on VZW (thus the quotes) which is going as a budget phone. It may be on a Sprint short list but its a stretch to infer thats where he was going with it. Its not on any other short list that I have though.