@dragon:ONE: I agree, there should have some sort of program that lets you upgrade 1 year before the end of your contract, but you pay slightly more for the phone
@Gundem: really it doesnt make sense as to why they got rid of it... because if they still had that option then they would had sold alot more 3gs's then they did. Because all of the fanboys upgraded to the 3g, but they couldn't upgrade to the 3gs.
@reluttr: EXACTLY. I wouldn't mind paying a little more for a Tilt2 earlier than having to wait it out until 2011 for any chance of upgrade (they say I can upgrade 'early' to iPhone 3G... on the same date in 2011 as my regular upgrade.)
Of course, the other route for us WinMo users is to fake out enough hardware/warranty replacements that they just decide "screw it, we'll send you a Tilt2".
Since from what I've seen, that's what most Sprint users are doing, after all, with their Touch Pros, and coercing Sprint to give them TP2s.
@Kaiser-Machead: You realize that there are more people on AT&T who are willing to get something other than an iPhone than people on T-Mo who get Android phones....
I, for one, am extremely glad to see that there's a high possibility that the X10 might be AT&T's first Android phone.
@WingedGenius: Seconded. While I have been less than thrilled with the set of Android phones T-Mo's gotten (really? the CLIQ is the best we can do?), AT&T's got nothing. And as much as I dislike AT&T, more Android exposure is better for the platform as a whole. Sprint and Verizon both have solid Android phones (Hero, Droid). If AT&T just ended up with a CLIQ or something, well, that's not exactly a great Android flagship.
Then again, I was personally waiting for something a little more rugged to come to T-Mo to replace my G1. Or just wait til my contract is up and go back to Verizon. ;-)
I feel it. I have a number of applications on the Android Market, and even on the apps that I get good feedback on that I'm charging as little as 99 cents on, I'm not making nearly enough to pay for my time. I love Android and will keep Android as my primary phone platform, but I am thinking of abandoning any hope of ever making a profit on it... meaning that I'll just keep on maintaining what I have but not release anything new.
I do blame Google for not having a for-pay application framework in place at launch. If they did, all app developers would be doing much better right now.
Let's just say I'll be keeping my eyes on this one. Almost exactly the device I have been describing any time a tablet discussion comes up. This seems like a class of device that could provide a better video and browsing experience than a cell phone, and be more convenient than a netbook.
Perfect size. It doesn't get in the way on the nightstand, or the coffee table. Could probably still fit it in the larger pockets of some of my clothing. And, it seems like it'd be a great size for watching videos on a plane.
i really wish app developers would stop bitching, its really getting old honestly. I understand some parts are not fun, but then go develope for symbian like you where for many years!?! why do you have to complain about the app store and android, personally i am glad you are leaving.
i am glad they are leaving because those people leaving don't seem to have what it takes to wait?! to make some money, Symbian doesnt even have a real "sdk" and just making an app is horrible!
Point being, i feel as the people complaining seem to be the people who just wanted to get a quick buck and realized it wasnt so easy, as far as the major devs getting pissed off. GAMELOFT SUCKS. all they did was poorly port apps to android, and they are slow, sluggish, and never updated, and mostly don't work, i bought one of there apps on android, and would never by another, and people seem to agree based on there reviews.
Part Duex? Prolly meant "Part Deux", I'm guessing.
Anyhow, the gist of this story is that Android doesn't have the large number of phone users to sell to, unlike Apple. I think we need to just give it time... time for a GSM Droid phone like Milestone to come to T-Mo (or so I hope).
@ninjagin: I think another big issue is what Android has been on so far.
Recently I tried out the moto Droid and it's a great phone. I'm not totally sold on it but it's really the first Android phone that impressed me (the G1 just seemed like a clunker to me. A friend of mine had it and he wasn't too happy with it).
But many times it just seemed that Andriod was on meh devices.
But that is changing. There are a few other Android devices that look pretty cool, but they aren't available here in the US of A.
I think now that Android is appearing on better phones, it will improve a lot. It wasn't necessarily Android itself but the hardware it was on (though they should have multi-touch by now).
@snoop_dizzle: Aye. I got about ten minutes with a Droid phone last week and it was pretty sharp stuff. The display is amazing. I don't want to change carriers, though. The GSM variant of Droid, sold in the UK as "Milestone", is what I'm waiting for.
You know, when it comes to little slate machines like this I'd really like someone to make one as a Media Center Extender. A 8-10 in screen, wireless N, HD screen, and Tigra. Awesome! I'd totally buy something like that so I could watch my media anywhere in the house. For web browsing I can just use my tablet PC.
What is wrong with people and their blurry-ass photos? Gizmodo's number one tipster, Shakes the Clown. I expected this back in 2006 but we have better cameras now, wtf.
This thing looks awesome I can't wait to see a better picture/real thing.
Took me forever when this broke on other sites to figure out whats going on with the keyboard. In fact if someone at BGR hadn't posted it I would have never figured it out.
The keyboard is the back of the phone. Thats why you've got the camera on the "front" in this view (see bottom left, 5.0 megapixels). Its so simple but makes so much sense. The Env and all those other flip QWERTYs always seemed stupid because you waste space by having to have 2 screens. Something like the Env touch made even less sense because you lose the big nice touchscreen when typing and get the little crappy interior screen. All gone now plus I imagine its going to allow for the phone to be thinner and sturdier.
What I really want to see is if the buttons on the back retain any of their functionality when closed. Again, its something that makes soooo much sense I'm amazed that Moto is the first one doing it. I mean obviously there would be things that you'd have to work around if the buttons on the back worked but if they could figure out a way to keep things like physical navigation buttons and still retain a sleek clean front I'd say its a win. Seems like it would be pretty easy to get used to.
I'm neutral about the shoes but I think the thing about the phone is a good point. However one could argue that if anyone would know the consequences of flashing a secret device it would be Google. I'm sure "VERIZON CEO SECRET PHONE?!?!?!?!?!?" was entered a few billion times on....Google, after that press shot with the Droid and Eris.
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@#$%#@ upgrade cycle.
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Of course, the other route for us WinMo users is to fake out enough hardware/warranty replacements that they just decide "screw it, we'll send you a Tilt2".
Since from what I've seen, that's what most Sprint users are doing, after all, with their Touch Pros, and coercing Sprint to give them TP2s.
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I, for one, am extremely glad to see that there's a high possibility that the X10 might be AT&T's first Android phone.
11/21/09
Then again, I was personally waiting for something a little more rugged to come to T-Mo to replace my G1. Or just wait til my contract is up and go back to Verizon. ;-)
11/21/09
will not work.
edit, if it is the 1700 band i am not sure, i know most of the world uses a 2100 that is not compatible with t-mobiles 3g,
11/21/09
I do blame Google for not having a for-pay application framework in place at launch. If they did, all app developers would be doing much better right now.
11/21/09
Perfect size. It doesn't get in the way on the nightstand, or the coffee table. Could probably still fit it in the larger pockets of some of my clothing. And, it seems like it'd be a great size for watching videos on a plane.
Please, keep updating us on this.
11/20/09
i am glad they are leaving because those people leaving don't seem to have what it takes to wait?! to make some money, Symbian doesnt even have a real "sdk" and just making an app is horrible!
Point being, i feel as the people complaining seem to be the people who just wanted to get a quick buck and realized it wasnt so easy, as far as the major devs getting pissed off. GAMELOFT SUCKS. all they did was poorly port apps to android, and they are slow, sluggish, and never updated, and mostly don't work, i bought one of there apps on android, and would never by another, and people seem to agree based on there reviews.
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Anyhow, the gist of this story is that Android doesn't have the large number of phone users to sell to, unlike Apple. I think we need to just give it time... time for a GSM Droid phone like Milestone to come to T-Mo (or so I hope).
11/20/09
Recently I tried out the moto Droid and it's a great phone. I'm not totally sold on it but it's really the first Android phone that impressed me (the G1 just seemed like a clunker to me. A friend of mine had it and he wasn't too happy with it).
But many times it just seemed that Andriod was on meh devices.
But that is changing. There are a few other Android devices that look pretty cool, but they aren't available here in the US of A.
I think now that Android is appearing on better phones, it will improve a lot. It wasn't necessarily Android itself but the hardware it was on (though they should have multi-touch by now).
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Took me forever when this broke on other sites to figure out whats going on with the keyboard. In fact if someone at BGR hadn't posted it I would have never figured it out.
The keyboard is the back of the phone. Thats why you've got the camera on the "front" in this view (see bottom left, 5.0 megapixels). Its so simple but makes so much sense. The Env and all those other flip QWERTYs always seemed stupid because you waste space by having to have 2 screens. Something like the Env touch made even less sense because you lose the big nice touchscreen when typing and get the little crappy interior screen. All gone now plus I imagine its going to allow for the phone to be thinner and sturdier.
What I really want to see is if the buttons on the back retain any of their functionality when closed. Again, its something that makes soooo much sense I'm amazed that Moto is the first one doing it. I mean obviously there would be things that you'd have to work around if the buttons on the back worked but if they could figure out a way to keep things like physical navigation buttons and still retain a sleek clean front I'd say its a win. Seems like it would be pretty easy to get used to.
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11/20/09
...ok I just Googled it, I definitely did