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Jesse in Japan
04/06/09

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Does this missile actually work? At mach ten and flying low, there would be a lot of chances for it to just crash into the sea.
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apeguero
04/06/09

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I don't know man. See, I really did like good 'ol Billy as a president. Funny guy. Warming guy. But whenever I see stuff like this, it just kind'a pisses me off a bit. See, there was this deal with Doral back in the mid '90s between them and Chinese and a satellite. Well, you know, there was also the missile technology deal between them cleared by the Clinton Administration.

Now, seriously, had the Clinton administration not given this technology to them (for campaign money), then who knows, maybe Monkey Boy (Curious George), would've done it. I don't know, maybe, maybe not. Or maybe President BO (not Body Odor) would've gifted it to them (or given it to them as a monthly payment of our gigantic debt). Or maybe the Chinese could have bought the technology from the Russians or North Koreans or Iranians. Either case, we would've been ahead of them. But to just give them tech which they had a hard time figuring out on their own for just 100k is beyond stupid! Besides, who's to say North Korea and Iran didn't get this missile guidance tech from China (who got it from us for 100k)?

Read the Wired article. They do a better (non-partisan) way of explaining what I'm talking about.

[www.wired.com]
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GitEmSteveDave_DefinesTurgid
04/06/09

@apeguero: What does/do Doral Cigarettes have to do with Bill Clinton, the Chinese, and satellites? Are they putting chemicals in the smokes? I do have to admit that they are a smooth smoke with the flavor and value Americans have come to enjoy.
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IN THE FACE!
04/06/09

@WindySaturday_GitEmSteveDave: China wanted to claim the title of "Budget Flavor Country"...
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GitEmSteveDave_DefinesTurgid
04/06/09

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Can this REALLY make it past the Phallanx C-WIZ system on most modern US military ships? You are talking about a system that uses radar to guide a gatling gun firing 3-4,000 rpm of depleted uranium shells, which is HIGHLY mobile, to shred an incoming missle.
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GitEmSteveDave_DefinesTurgid
04/06/09

@WindySaturday_GitEmSteveDave: Damn, it's actually CIWS.

It's for when you care enough to send a wall of metal at someone.
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fuzz54
04/06/09

@WindySaturday_GitEmSteveDave: A missile going mach 10 would be over the horizon and onto the ship in about 10 to 15 seconds. Not much time, especially if there's more than one missile inbound.
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sqeakytoy of the apocalypse
04/06/09

@WindySaturday_GitEmSteveDave: well the phalanx part was right anyway. I have always had a soft spot for rapidly moving walls of hot, depleted uranium death.
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GitEmSteveDave_DefinesTurgid
04/06/09

@fuzz54: I seriously doubt this is coming in low at mach 10. The amount of fuel it would have to carry in order to maintain that speed would be large. Also, at that speed, you can not be that maneuverable. One you start changing direction at mach speeds, you can start an instability that can bring it down, and being so close to the ground, it would crash. I think this missile starts with a traditional ballistic arc, but as it falls, it moves then, and utilizes it's spinning and gravity to ensure it remains stable. If this is the fact, than the gun would work, b/c unlike a anti-missile missile, this gun can alter it's aiming point, and quickly.

@daveNYC: The phallanx system shreds the inbound until it explodes itself. So the majority of the impact would be spread out. Unless China starts using mass drivers......
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IN THE FACE!
04/06/09

@sqeakytoy of the apocalypse: Then you'd love the naval version of the metal storm that is in early development...

Sorry, don't have a link handy...
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Maury Markowitz
04/06/09

@sqeakytoy of the apocalypse:

@WindySaturday_GitEmSteveDave: well the phalanx part was right anyway. I have always had a soft spot for rapidly moving walls of hot, depleted uranium death.

Would that "soft spot" be what's left of your lungs and liver after you ingest some? DU is flammable, and when it cooks up it turns into a seriously nasty heavy metal cloud. Heavy metal as in "would you like some mercury with that"?

DU should be illegal, and is in many places. The only reason they use it is because it's cheaper than tungsten (which is a way better penetrator). In a world of $500 toilet seats, this is one place where a little over-budgeting would be appreciated.

Maury
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GitEmSteveDave_DefinesTurgid
04/06/09

@Maury Markowitz: I will make sure that is a CIWS ever fires at me, I won't inhale. That make ya happy?
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rte148
04/06/09

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A quasiballistic missile (also called a semiballistic missile) is a category of missile that has a low trajectory and/or is largely ballistic but can perform manoeuvres in flight or make unexpected changes in direction and range.

At a lower trajectory than a ballistic missile, a quasiballistic missile can maintain higher speed, thus allowing its target less time to react to the attack, at the cost of reduced range.

Missiles that combine a maneuverable reentry vehicle (MaRV) with a terminal guidance system, allowing them to adjust the flight path as they near their target, are thought to be under development in China for use as anti-ship ballistic missiles.
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IN THE FACE!
04/06/09

@rte148: Somehow with a quasi- or semi- out front it just isn't as scary...
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yogibimbi
04/06/09

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Shouldn't it be schlong feng? And is that the same feng as in feng shui? Maybe Dong Feng translated means 'suck on that, dumbass', or something like that...
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Charles Ip
04/06/09

@yogibimbi: Dong feng translates into East Wind. Us Chinese like to name stuff after stuff like that.
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IN THE FACE!
04/06/09

@Charles Ip: Darn, and I was so hoping that based on yogibimbis translation Feng Shui would mean "Dumbass Decorating".
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not_a_virus.exe.vbs
04/06/09

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Is that Mach 10 an actual figure?
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GitEmSteveDave_DefinesTurgid
04/06/09

@Life Is Eat And Die: well, they can't technically achieve Mach 10 unless Q intervenes.
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IN THE FACE!
04/06/09

@WindySaturday_GitEmSteveDave: They would need Speed Racer to pilot it to realistically achieve that sort of speed.
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not_a_virus.exe.vbs
04/06/09

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My Dong Feng is much bigger.
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Mac the Tard
04/06/09

@Life Is Eat And Die: Finally... a dick joke... Damn, I thought I accidentally went to the wrong site.
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IN THE FACE!
04/06/09

@bleuray vs. honeydijondvd: Did I just see a fart joke as a response to a dick joke... That's a little, uh... Flamboyant...
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xenoastro
04/06/09

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about time somebody kicked some US butt !, but this is another reason for the US to enlarge their military budget to counterattack this, so they can still say how great and invincible they are.
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sqeakytoy of the apocalypse
04/06/09

@xenoastro: Bite my great big white American ass, and suck it.

and that's all there is to say about that.
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qbrad
04/06/09

@sqeakytoy of the apocalypse: Ah yes, the old "bite and suck" procedure... Classic.
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czetie
04/06/09

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One nit (yeah, I'm "that guy"): It can't both be a "ballistic missile" and have "high maneuverability". By definition, a ballistic missile is in free-fall after it's initial burn. Is it actually some kind of cruise missile?
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IN THE FACE!
04/06/09

@czetie: oh, oh, its magic!
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WaffleTeamStrike! v26.00
04/06/09

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Bologna is right. If anyone thinks that we would allow the Chinese to sink and expensive super carrier you should think twice. These days a super carrier costs around US$4.5-6 Billion to make and over US$160 million just to operate. The US has tech that can own this missle for sure, no way around it.
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weatherman
04/06/09

@WaffleTeamStrike: I don't disagree with your conclusion, but you're reasoning is questionable. You can't just dismiss other countries developments because "the US wouldn't let that happen" or (to paraphrase) "if they have that, we must have something that can beat it."

US military dominance is by no means assured. And disruptive technologies come along all the time - we've been working on anti-missile missiles for more than 30 years and we still can't reliably defeat an ICBM. Hitting a bullet with a bullet isn't as easy as some would like you to believe.
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IN THE FACE!
04/06/09

@weatherman: But hitting a bullet with a half million bullets changes the odds quite a bit (a la metal storm).
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Irish_Knight
04/06/09

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[en.wikipedia.org]
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GitEmSteveDave_DefinesTurgid
04/06/09

@Irish_Knight: Are going to name your first son "DipShit" Knight? I mean, what did he think a secret phase congigent tracking system is for?
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czetie
04/06/09

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On the one hand: that is a terrifying weapon. If it works as advertised, it could do for the age of the carrier battlegroup what the carrier did for the age of the destroyer. The answer to a missile like this is to keep your major assets over the horizon, and control the battlefield with a blizzard of small remote-controlled drones, which gives the enemy nothing to point their huge Dong at.

On the other hand: if we ever get to the point where we're seriously pointing supercarriers at the Chinese and the Chinese are seriously firing supermissiles back, who sank whose battleship is going to be the least of our worries.
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IN THE FACE!
04/06/09

@czetie: This is why the US is developing the metal storm.

If you can lay out a 2sq. mi. patch of sky that is heavily contaminated with lead (in about 1 sec), something entering that space at mach 10 wouldn't stand much of a chance...
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tharden33
04/06/09

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Bologna. Lockheed Martin already has laser systems that can neutralize missiles in mid-air. I don't think I've ever seen a missile that can travel faster than a laser.
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Jesus Diaz
04/06/09

@tharden33: False. Lockheed Martin doesn't have any system like that in place. For a laser to have any effect, like the airborne laser which is still in development, missiles would have to have a parabolic steady trajectory. Lasers won't take this down. Other things may.

Stop watching Star Wars.
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Mr.V.
04/06/09

@tharden33:

Why not shoot another missile at it? :P
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IN THE FACE!
04/06/09

@tharden33: China really just wants to show up North Korea...
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GitEmSteveDave_DefinesTurgid
04/06/09

@tharden33: Well, if a missile traveled faster than a laser, and thus, faster than light, would you be able to see it? I mean, the missile would hit you before the light it reflects hits your eye. Unless it's time traveling then....
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Nirach
04/06/09

@ItsRabid: You mean, like the THAAD system?
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KaitouKID
04/06/09

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I'm surprised Ms. Elaine "I hate China" Chow didn't post this as some fear mongering article.

Bravo Jesus! You present the facts with some humor and no bullshit stereotypical fear mongering for kicks.
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mocanlagunas
04/06/09

@KaitouKID: well, if they have the capability of sinking aircraft carriers (how many countries have those?), doesn't that mongers some fear into you?
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IN THE FACE!
04/06/09

@mocanlagunas: If I was on an aircraft carrier it would.
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TheCrudMan
04/06/09

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Well it could be worse, it could be more than 2,000 km.
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Mac the Tard
04/06/09

@TheCrudMan: Or...

It could be a 2,000 kilometer long new super-weapon with a warhead powerful enough to blow up the whole planet in a single strike
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Mac the Tard
04/06/09

@bleuray vs. honeydijondvd: Or...

a $2,000 hooker capable of blowing me with a single suck.
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DontFeedTheTrolls
04/06/09

@bleuray vs. honeydijondvd: Srsly? Man, they just let anyone through the Comment gates these days...
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