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    Image of Shamoononon: I shave my legs. Shamoononon: I shave my legs.
    05:26 PM

    In reply to Apple Denying Support to Smokers?
    Can you turn down people for being booger pickers? I'd hate to handle a computer of a booger picker, that would be gross.
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    Image of dagamer34 dagamer34
    05:24 PM

    In reply to Here We Go Again: Camera Equipped iPod Touch This Spring?
    Update in Feb. You heard it here first.
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    Image of AmphetamineCrown AmphetamineCrown
    05:19 PM

    In reply to Apple Denying Support to Smokers?
    WTF is everyone talking about? I used to smoke once upon a time and only "effect" I ever saw on my computer was that the CRT screen got nasty because the static charge attracted smoke, just like it attracts dust. As far as the inside of the machine went, it didn't look any different than any other machine I've owned since then in my "non-smoking" rebirth. All computers used for any length of time are likely to need a vacuum anyway.

    Fix the effing machine. Some jerk off wants to pass the job to someone else 'cos it smells bad, have at it, but someone better fix it. If it was my computer, bet your butt I'd be hauling Apple into small claims court for denying warranty coverage. Christ, *biohazard*? With all the other toxic crap inside the computer? You have to be kidding me. You might as well not service computers owned by people with cats 'cos those cat hairs and cat dander get sucked up into the machine and some people are allergic to it.
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    Image of Nathan Obbards Nathan Obbards
    05:42 PM


    @AmphetamineCrown:
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    Image of AmphetamineCrown AmphetamineCrown
    05:50 PM

    @Nathan Obbards: @Gary Chaing: I still don't buy it. I used to smoke a pack a day and my IDE cables didn't change color. Nor did my computer look anything like that picture, which looks like a computer operated in an asbestos factory or something.

    B'sides, I thought smoking was part of that hipster culture Apple marketed too...
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    Image of Nathan Obbards Nathan Obbards
    05:59 PM

    @AmphetamineCrown: Oh I agree with the cigarette smoking Apple hipster culture. In fact I said something to that effect, but less explicit earlier.

    I was just giving an example of what can happen at an extreme. I tend to agree with most everyone else that Apple is being pedantic about this. I doubt that the case was extreme like that. If it was, I could understand Apple, but otherwise I think it's just them being afraid to touch something because it's ''icky''.
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    Image of Sanfo Sanfo
    04:54 PM

    In reply to Apple Denying Support to Smokers?
    After working on and repairing many machines owned and operated by smokers, I can understand where Apple is coming from. Nicotine is disgusting- not only to touch, but the effects it has within a computer: fans clog up, circuitry gets coated.
    It's a comfort thing for me- when I'm taking apart someone's computer, I shouldn't have to wear gloves to deal with slimy, discoloured residue.
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    Image of David Reyburn David Reyburn
    05:15 PM

    @Sanfo: Isn't that, like, your job though? This is like taco bell employees refusing to clean the bathroom because of what taco bell tends to do to one's digestive system.

    My point is, one can't pick the components of a job one wants to do. As a computer repairman, one has to clean and repair computers and guess what, it's the really dirty computers that need cleaning and repairing. That's the point of repairing a computer.
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    Image of Lizard_King Lizard_King
    04:37 PM

    In reply to Apple Denying Support to Smokers?
    Was cigarette smoke inside the unit, just waiting to be released? If an object smells of cigarette smoke, it is not akin to breathing in smoke; you cannot equate that to safety hazards of airborne second-hand smoke. There is more of a hazard from outgassing of plastics.

    I can definitly see Apple, or any tech company refusing service to an optical drive because of the sensitivity of the lens - old floppies didn't like smoke at all, and I have an old HP scanner with what seems like permanently yellowed glass.
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    Image of trapzella trapzella
    05:05 PM

    The inside of a computer from a smoker's household can be mind-bendingly gross.

    If you have not experienced such an odor, you are in no position to comment on it as a health-hazard.

    I cracked open a PC last year that had a quarter-inch of stinky gray sludge from cigarette smoke inside of it. The odor had people retching in the halls.

    Within minutes, the entire office was evacuated. My boss had two of us don masks to get the thing outside and into a garbage bag... and then into several more garbage bags because the odor, once released, was just that bad.

    We told the customer that his computer was DOA. He asked us to rescue the hard drive, but nobody would volunteer to go get it. Ultimately, my boss went and got the drive. It was dead. The tar had gotten into the works and gunked it up.

    We had the windows open for weeks afterwards, yet the odor still lingers in the carpets.
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    Lizard_King promoted this comment Duckspwn approved this comment trapzella was starred trapzella was unstarred
    Image of Lizard_King Lizard_King
    05:39 PM

    @trapzella: Oh, I'm no stranger to working on items that smell like smoke (car interiors, computers, motorcycle helmets). As a non-smoker myself, the smell is not pleasant - but certainly not what I would consider a health hazard. In fact, there is no study to test the health impacts of breathing cigarette smoke residue that I could find, only that of second-hand smoke from an active smoker.

    It seems to me a bit akin to a plumber not working because the shit smell is too strong. I've been in bars where people complain of patrons smelling of smoke - and you know what? Until cigarettes are outlawed, that cigarette smell is not going away, so you deal with it as best you can. Sounds like these prima donna techs found a way to not work on those machines - and that is the American Way, isn't it? Finding ways to not do work you do not want to do.
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    Image of Poop Cooper Poop Cooper
    04:25 PM

    In reply to Wired for the Apple Tablet
    What's interesting is how, if Apple successfully launches a tablet that creates a new standard in manner similar to the iPhone, the paradigm will shift dramatically in the journalism landscape. Infotainment will reign supreme, and "pics or it didn't happen" will be more than a meme - it will be mantra.

    This isn't necessarily a bad thing. I'd rather have a hard news headline punched up with an interactive graphic to garner more readers than seeing the hard news diluted with countless human interest stories like we do now.

    And as a designer, I can't help but be excited by the prospect of seeing what new and innovative ways a story can be told through an interactive medium such as this.

    Will this save brick and mortar journalism? Too soon to tell. But the proof of concept now exists. If it's not Apple, it will be someone else.
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    Image of HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H. HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H.
    04:00 PM

    In reply to Apple Denying Support to Smokers?
    Have you ever tried to work on the PC of a heavy smoker? I have. The tar in the smoke settles all over the internal components, and gums everything up; it blocks vents, seizes fans, interferes with heatsinks, and so on.

    I don't side with Apple very often, but in this case, I have to. If the smoke residue was present enough to be noticeable by the technicians, chances are that any damage to the machines was self-inflicted.
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    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    03:48 PM

    In reply to Apple Denying Support to Smokers?
    What'll they deny next?

    Dear Mr. [redacted]

    We received your Macbook Pro, serial number W893304EB33, and we were unable to service your machine, as it seems to have a peculiar odor and some questionable residue on the keyboard. As it's being assumed to be biological, we consider it a serious health concern, thus we will be sending your computer back to you. We apologize for this inconvenience.
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    Edited by Kaiser-Machead at 11/21/09 3:49 PM Kaiser-Machead was starred Kaiser-Machead was unstarred
    Image of Purple Dave Purple Dave
    03:38 PM

    In reply to Apple Denying Support to Smokers?
    I once had to return a library book, find another library in the network that had the same title available for check-out, and go pick up the other copy because the first one just _reeked_ of cigarette smoke and I damn near threw up in the book before I finished the first chapter. I also once bought what turned out to be a slightly-used window AC unit that a family of smokers had tried out before returning, and it smelled almost as bad as the library book. And the previous resident of my condo was a smoker, and I can still smell it settling out in the basement after living here for two years. I can therefore understand why people wouldn't want to work on anything that's spent any significant amount of time in a smoke-clogged environment, but if it's not explicitly stated in the TOS, I'm smelling something else right now, and it's a lawsuit.
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    Image of Nathan Obbards Nathan Obbards
    03:26 PM

    In reply to Apple Denying Support to Smokers?
    Considering how many Apple users smoke, you'd think that they'd have something explicit in the TOS for AppleCare about the warranty being voided by smoke.
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    Image of Gordonium Gordonium
    03:15 PM

    In reply to Steve Jobs Responds to Passionate App Developer, Curtly
    Hahahahaha, nice.

    I'm no Apple fanboy by any means, but I do appreciate a good dose of sass from a guy that's quite literally changed the course of human history. Or even just a highly successful person who hasn't so much changed history.

    +10, Steve.
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    Gordonium was starred Gordonium was unstarred
    Image of SysRq SysRq
    02:26 PM

    In reply to Magic Mouse Drivers for Windows Now Available
    I just got to play with one of these today. It was orgasmic. Glad to see Windows fags get to experience the magic as well.
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    SysRq was starred SysRq was unstarred
    Image of Kerfudle: Kerfudle:
    02:28 PM

    @SysRq:
    Really, windows fags, was that necessary?
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    Nathan Obbards promoted this comment Kerfudle: was starred Kerfudle: was unstarred
    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    02:37 PM

    @SysRq: Dude. Not cool.
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    Image of bill cant fart bill cant fart
    02:42 PM

    @SysRq: Hey, you're the one with the fruity computer!
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    Image of Norbs Norbs
    02:45 PM

    @bill cant fart: As opposed to a MANLY PC? I'm pretty sure it was a joke chill...
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    Kaiser-Machead promoted this comment Norbs was starred Norbs was unstarred
    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    02:48 PM

    @Norbs: I think he may be referring to the cartoon fruit logo.
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    Image of kthe23rd kthe23rd
    03:00 PM

    @Kaiser-Machead: Or he could just be a *channer. They've basically turned "fag" into an honorific there.
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    Image of David Reyburn David Reyburn
    03:11 PM

    @Kaiser-Machead: I think SysRq might be a 4channer, where it's common to refer to everyone as "fags" regardless of orientation. Ex; Amerifag, Britfag, Windowsfag, etc. The list goes on.
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    SysRq promoted this comment David Reyburn was starred David Reyburn was unstarred
    Image of spannu spannu
    03:18 PM

    @kthe23rd: Honorifics honor the person being named. This is a diminutive and it's completely unnecessary.
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    Image of SysRq SysRq
    03:44 PM

    @David Reyburn: You're half right, I only meant "fags" in the 4chan sense, however I would rather not be known as a 4channer or a /b/tard or any variation of the "awful person on the internet" label.

    PCs are fine, I own PCs, I also own Macs. Settle down, guys.

    #tips
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    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    03:52 PM

    @kthe23rd: I loathe 4chan in all its forms.
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    Kaiser-Machead was starred Kaiser-Machead was unstarred
    Image of egoods egoods
    04:04 PM

    @SysRq: BURN HIM! But seriously dude (or dudette), you've got a star, I would hope you know what to expect round these parts.
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    Image of SnusBeorn SnusBeorn
    04:28 PM

    @SysRq: "Settle down, guys"???

    Seriously: Fuck you, you callous piece of shit. You're the ignorant dickhead who lobbed the opening volley, apparently not expecting anyone to react to the fact that you used not an epithet, but highly offensive hate speech to make your tired old play for perceived OS superiority. And yet you haven't learned your lesson even now--4chan kiddies rarely possess the social skills to figure out such things. If you had, you'd be apologizing profusely for spewing your inexcusable bigotry in this forum.
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    Image of David Reyburn David Reyburn
    04:56 PM

    @SysRq: Ah, I see. I think the reason that's done on 4chan and not other parts is that being Anonymous allows one to call people fags and not be held accountable.
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    Image of Nick Nick
    05:21 PM

    @SnusBeorn: calm down, tiger.
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    Edited by Nick at 11/21/09 5:21 PM Nick was starred Nick was unstarred
    Image of RainyDayInterns RainyDayInterns
    02:08 PM

    In reply to Magic Mouse Drivers for Windows Now Available
    or you can go get a Wacom multi-touch tablet...

    [www.rainydaymagazine.com]
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    Image of 2-7offsuit is ioos 2-7offsuit is ioos
    02:16 PM

    @RainyDayInterns: Sure. You could buy a loaf of bread too. Neither one functions as a mouse.
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    fuchikoma promoted this comment 2-7offsuit is ioos was starred 2-7offsuit is ioos was unstarred
    Image of fuchikoma fuchikoma
    02:53 PM

    @2-7offsuit is ioos: Tablets make great mice. I often use a cheap Wacom Bamboo. It's just hard to double-click without moving the cursor if you use tap-to-click.

    So much less wrist strain though.
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    Image of frigg frigg
    01:50 PM

    In reply to Wired for the Apple Tablet
    The author of the article is confused.

    From what I've heard, the Apple Tablet will be a mechanical device, a kind of nostalgic appliance stuffed with pistons, rotors, and gears.

    The sound you hear is not a musical soundtrack. It's the sound of the Tablet working.
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    Image of tamoko tamoko
    12:30 PM

    In reply to Wired for the Apple Tablet
    Love the crappy techno... Seriously, I'll probably buy the Jesus Tablet, or some other incarnation of it that appears. It seems like there's going to be a glut of these coming out next year (real or imagined), there will be plenty of competition and options.
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