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In my own opinion, if it's legal for a business to build a PC, buy a Windows license and sell the package as "Custom built" to a customer, it should be legal to do so with MacOS. I almost question the fair use rights of MacOS, which is sold on shelf (as software).
I know one of the reasons Apple don't allow this is because they're trying to push their overpriced hardware. Apple will always remail a "Hardware" company in my eyes while Microsoft will remain a Software company. Even though they produce both. You can barely compare the 2 anymore, except through fanboism. The other reason for this ridiculous EULA policy is because if MacOS ran on various hardware builds and 3rd party hardware drivers, it would soon prove to be the LEAST reliable OS on the planet.
Honestly, I'm still rooting for Pystar to shut down. I don't want MacOS to succeed in the mainstream PC world, I'd rather seem more versitile condenders, like Windows, Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, etc win over the popular market, while MacOS remains a niche, 'stock' OS of a ridiculously priced lineup of prettied-up, mediocre (except the MacPro) hardware.
@Ninety-9: What exactly would make OS X less versatile if it were opened up to general PC hardware? What would make it the least reliable, compared to say, (insert distro) Linux, which is not exactly the easiest for lots of people to work on all kinds of hardware. "Versatile" sounds nice, but that's a bit vague. OpenSUSE may be "versatile", but in what way does that make it better for the average person to use?
@Ninety-9: Don't you people get it? Apple is not trying to surpass Microsoft in any way, they're just trying to stay the minority, they want to stay the elite they've always been. All that mock-up and "wars" are just to keep people occupied. They earn money, and they're happy with it, they just do what they do to keep the news busy while they keep their elite and elegant approach.
@Kaiser-Machead: Depends on how much effort Apple would be willing to put forth. In its current state, next to none.
Many people run Windows on Macs but very few would bother to run MacOS on a PC. Versitile, to me is having lots of available applications, particularly in the free to cheap range. Or being able to run almost any hardware combination your little mind can dream up. I think Windows has a much bigger range of support through marketshare and Linux has a bigger range of support due to open source.
@Axelph: You're probably right, and I hope they do, it's odd that they seem to compare their HARDWARE line to Windows Software, when the sad truth is, the user will probably ditch the MacOS and go with Windows, anyhow.
Elite and Elegant are harsh words. They're about as Elite as the latest iPod and about as Elegant as a Hyundai.
I look forward to their next business model: installing Vuze on crappy PCs, setting the IE browser home page to Pirate Bay, and selling them. Followed by a blaring a press release stating they've gone into the film production business, with their debut of a small character-driven story called Avatar, brought to you by their new find, an undiscovered talent by the name of James Cameron.
Psystar deserves what they get. I'd have no problem with Mac clones from an actual company rather than a custom home-built, but my condition would be a legitimate clone. Does anyone actually trust Psystar at this point? They treat their business like a legal experiment. I certainly could not be swayed to invest any significant amount of money in that sort of nonsense.
@Kaiser-Machead: And the reason why there are no clones (Power Computing, Starmax, etc) anymore is because Steve killed them when he came back to apple.
Apple was losing money on the clones. At the end of the day they are a hardware company (from a revenue and profit perspective). Any clones that were sold were eating into Apple's hardware sales, and whatever licensing deal for the OS that they had with Power and Motorola wasn't making up the profit difference.
I had a Motorola Starmax 5000 back in the day. Great machine.
I remember having this for my Handspring Visor Prism, nearly ten years ago. The OmniRemote springboard module... it was $59.95, and I used it for my TV, DVD, and surround sound system.
About a year ago, I wrote an iPhone webapp that allows me to control my DVR. It was incredibly easy, and free. It wouldn't be difficult to modify it to use LIRC to control IR devices. Come to think of it, it wouldn't be difficult to adapt a proxy server to intercept traffic to and from the Google iPhone app. Boom! Instant voice control of all of those devices as well.
It's obvious he's a dumb thief before he even tries to take anything. I mean, who would steal iMacs, from a non-Apple retail location, and last gen ones at that.
@Kaiser-Machead: Problem is, here in the States....family files a wrongful death suit, or he sues for medical coverage and either way guy's out of a store.
@ecarls002: I'm not the only one complaining about how Apple is aways the last to update their RAW compatibility. You can wait years before the Apple people get around to it. Hell, the Sigma folks will be dead before Apple gets around to implementing Sigma Raw. So, Mr. Genius, would you care to comment about that???
That, my friend, is why I have a star . Star people know more about things than you think even though we sometimes are curt with our posts.
@Kaiser-Machead: Clearly not having RAW compatibility for those 6 cameras, versus the hundred or so it already had - without needing to download drivers proves your point. This is also especially confirmed with the no support for RAW in Windows 7 out-of-the-box.
Well paint me silly: Was the entire Mac platform completely unable to deal with RAW from these cameras until now, or just Mac OS? In other words, were you able to work via CS4 but not OSX?
@bornonbord: Just the OS and whatever applications that use the OS's RAW libraries (like Aperture)... It's nice when it works, but there's always Lightroom when it doesn't.
@RainyDayInterns: Ahhh PM G4's. I think they are the best computers Apple ever made. I still have my original Sawooth in the closet that I've since gutted and put inside of one of the last MDD models of G4. I bought it (bad power supply) and a previous MDD (bad logic board) for about $100 and pieced them together. Now I've got my "dream machine", a dual proc 1.25GHz G4 (the last G4 came out shortly after at 1.4 or 1.5GHz, but they were prone to some problems).
Funny thing is, the massive (back then) PS can be sold for about $200 by itself, but I love the guy too much to sell him for parts just yet.
@ICEMAN064:
That's just your opinion. Both PC's and Macs are flawed in many many ways. Both have their advantages and disadvantages. A lot of Apple fanboys want to believe that Macs are perfect god machines but the cold hard truth is they're not. Neither platform is universally better than the other.
And I'm well aware it's Apples marketing commercial, I don't know how that fact could have escaped me (sarcasm). I was expressing a desire to see the tables turned for once. I know it's impossible but that doesn't mean I wouldn't enjoy seeing it happen.
12/20/09
I know one of the reasons Apple don't allow this is because they're trying to push their overpriced hardware. Apple will always remail a "Hardware" company in my eyes while Microsoft will remain a Software company. Even though they produce both. You can barely compare the 2 anymore, except through fanboism. The other reason for this ridiculous EULA policy is because if MacOS ran on various hardware builds and 3rd party hardware drivers, it would soon prove to be the LEAST reliable OS on the planet.
Honestly, I'm still rooting for Pystar to shut down. I don't want MacOS to succeed in the mainstream PC world, I'd rather seem more versitile condenders, like Windows, Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, etc win over the popular market, while MacOS remains a niche, 'stock' OS of a ridiculously priced lineup of prettied-up, mediocre (except the MacPro) hardware.
12/20/09
12/20/09
12:52 AM
Many people run Windows on Macs but very few would bother to run MacOS on a PC. Versitile, to me is having lots of available applications, particularly in the free to cheap range. Or being able to run almost any hardware combination your little mind can dream up. I think Windows has a much bigger range of support through marketshare and Linux has a bigger range of support due to open source.
@Axelph: You're probably right, and I hope they do, it's odd that they seem to compare their HARDWARE line to Windows Software, when the sad truth is, the user will probably ditch the MacOS and go with Windows, anyhow.
Elite and Elegant are harsh words. They're about as Elite as the latest iPod and about as Elegant as a Hyundai.
12/19/09
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12/20/09
Apple was losing money on the clones. At the end of the day they are a hardware company (from a revenue and profit perspective). Any clones that were sold were eating into Apple's hardware sales, and whatever licensing deal for the OS that they had with Power and Motorola wasn't making up the profit difference.
I had a Motorola Starmax 5000 back in the day. Great machine.
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12/19/09
I'm just too lazy. Makes you sick, doesn't it?
12/19/09
12/18/09
I know I would.
;)
12/18/09
It's obvious he's a dumb thief before he even tries to take anything. I mean, who would steal iMacs, from a non-Apple retail location, and last gen ones at that.
12/18/09
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12/18/09
Plenty of Panasonic support. This is an update.
Every initial comment in this thread is bashing first, asking questions later. The hate for AppleAnything clouds normal thought, eh?
12/19/09
That, my friend, is why I have a star . Star people know more about things than you think even though we sometimes are curt with our posts.
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12/18/09
12/18/09
Silly macs with their updating continual support.
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12/18/09
The 10 year old Sony Vaio does not get as much play as it use to, but our 20" Apple cinema screen and G4 Quicksilver is still going strong.
We did find the new imation 64GB SSD did make a huge difference in speed to revive our "new-ish" 15" MBP.
12/18/09
Funny thing is, the massive (back then) PS can be sold for about $200 by itself, but I love the guy too much to sell him for parts just yet.
12/18/09
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12/18/09
That's just your opinion. Both PC's and Macs are flawed in many many ways. Both have their advantages and disadvantages. A lot of Apple fanboys want to believe that Macs are perfect god machines but the cold hard truth is they're not. Neither platform is universally better than the other.
And I'm well aware it's Apples marketing commercial, I don't know how that fact could have escaped me (sarcasm). I was expressing a desire to see the tables turned for once. I know it's impossible but that doesn't mean I wouldn't enjoy seeing it happen.
12/18/09
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