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08/26/09
08/26/09
lifetime ban for Super Sonic. Thanks.
sincerely,
any reader here with common sense.
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He seems to be saying that it can't be illegal if a simple search easily brings up URLs and images. I think search engines remove any content that is deemed to be CP-related.
Is that a chance anyone should be taking? No.
Is there a reason people should have nude photos of the under-aged? As far as I can tell, no.
On a slightly unrelated note, look at the child beauty pageants and [what I deem to be] provocative clothes at children's clothing stores and the fact that sex is being used to sell ALL kinds of items in this country and all over network television but then the human body is pretty much demonized at the same time.
I believe that creates an environment for people to repress their urges and those urges mutate into unnatural desires.
Of course, there is no defending the offenders but everyone must look at all contributing factors to try to rid society of ills such as this.
08/27/09
i personally have pics of my son when he was a baby getting bathed... and thats it. i dont need to be taking pics of him when he's 10 or 13. not even for fun... simply because
1) i have no reason to do so
2) the type of implications that would cause
im sorry but "10-13 year old girls sounds like plural to me. and the word explicit is a red flag. this guy could just be surfing for CP, but he could also be a potential Predator. its best they investigate and find out if he got the pics off the net, has he chatted online, or solicited and child.
my point is, the Apple Genius Bar Employee might have saved some kids from a harrowing experience they will never forget.
so for super sonic to come on here and try to explain the gray area is just downright ridiculous to say the least.
we don't live in an utopian society were everything can be up for debate or can be generalized... particularly when it comes to CP. CP is clearly defined. most folks on here are well educated on the issue, so don't mind the hatefest.
08/26/09
Manager: Geeknius, what do you think you're doing?!?
Geeknius: Oh, uh, well... I'm just checking to make sure this guy isn't a pedophile!
Manager: Oh, excellent! Keep up the good work!
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having worked in that store, I can tell you that it is way too busy of an environment for anybody there to casually just browse people's systems. Regardless, if illegal content is on a customer's computer, and it is uncovered by the person working on it (whether it be apple, Geek squad, etc) it is probably a mandate (and at least ethically moral) to report it.
08/26/09
Yoo-hoo, another felon found. However, yoo-hoo not too much, when the videos of you and your girl-friend doing the nasty are all of the sudden all over the internet after you brought in your laptop for a repair. And that goes just for more delicate information. I don't want anybody to read my files, full stop.
08/26/09
You don't want anybody looking at your files? Back them up before you bring it to repair or keep them in an external hard drive.
08/26/09
Two words: Terms and conditions.
It's not like the apple guy broke into his house, logged on to his mac and went digging for dirt. The other guy brought his computer in for repair and handed it over to the apple employee.
When he did that Apple had full rights to check whatever files relevant to his technical problem (images). They do have a confidentiality agreement but that doesn't extend to anything of a criminal nature.
You can't complain about privacy if you invite a plumber into your house to fix your bath and he finds a dead body in it. It's your own fault for not moving it in the first place (and comitting murder of course).
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I don't think Apples confidentiality agreement extends to items of a criminal nature.
08/26/09
However
"Wrong" = "Wrong"
08/26/09
You mean "Wrong" == "Wrong"
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See what I did there?
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best. comment. ever.
And I really hope they are.
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/s??
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08/26/09
I'm pretty sure the only pseudo-legal crap anywhere close to this are non-nude sites, and even those are getting shutdown on a regular basis when Nancy Grace (d-bag but not for this) or somebody else on cable news decides they can make a buck going after them.
08/26/09
Most possessors of child pornography who are arrested are found to possess images of prepubescent children; possessors of pornographic images of post-puberty minors are less likely to be prosecuted, even though those images also fall within the statutes.
Any image of a child in a provocative pose is deemed as child pornography and this guy can and will be prosecuted severely for his folly.
Sir you are as bad as the paedophiles and need a serious dose of reality. The fact that you are aware of the nude modeling sites that these pictures can be downloaded from is very worrisome and I don't think you have any business posting here.
08/26/09
Are you serious? REALLY?
08/26/09
But, what I never hear about is any of these "studios" that are taking the pictures of these kids. What about the photographer, or the PARENTS of the kids? Someone is taking the kids to be photographed. An 8 year old doesn't walk in off the street and decide to become a model.
Are they all outside the US and cannot be prosecuted?
Child porn is horrible, I don't disagree. But which part of it is worse... the viewing of the pictures by some guy in Connecticut... or the taking of the pictures by some guy who is making money from them?
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But as in anything, it's easier to cast a wide net and capture a bunch of the consumers of porn. You'll capture hundreds of consumers with the same resources you'd have to commit to capture one (usually anonymous) producer, since there are likely hundreds of consumers for every producer in the first place. A small handful of people producing large amounts of child porn could probably feed the entire consumer base, so it's a bit of a needle-in-a-haystack thing. Plus, the ones who suck at covering their tracks get caught in no time, the more cunning producers can probably get away with it indefinitely.
Sadly, these days a "studio" can consist of one half-decent DSLR and the corner of someone's garage or basement, and the distribution medium is huge and can't be readily contained.
That said, those who produce child porn are caught periodically, but usually because someone, somewhere recognized their victim, or the victim came forward and revealed their abuse.
08/26/09
And there aren't legal nude modeling websites for underage kids. Don't be stupid.
Art, yes. But that's painting and photoshops without a real child.
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08/26/09
That shows your ignorance. Look for it, you'll easily find it. Closing your eyes and ignoring reality won't change it.
08/26/09
2) saw a cached version, and i must say it's disturbing. it's like saying saying swimsuits aren't suggestive but when i look at tyra banks it's usually with a bottle of lube and a box of tissue.
3) you sir are a sick fuck.
4) legal or not, forcing any child to do that kind of work is just wrong. i don't see how that's any better than working in a coal mine or a meat processing plant in the 1900s.
08/26/09
It's not what they are, it's what they were used for.
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Plus law enforcement doesn't give a shit. You're a scumbag to everyone else already, so be ready to be treated like one.
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08/26/09
The way you insist on telling us it's 100% only makes me believe that it is not.
Begone with ye, and if I had admin priviledges, I would have disemvolweled your comments, and banned your account. And if possible, forwarded your IP address to the FBI.
08/26/09
08/26/09
So, by your logic, in theory, one could pull a random child off the street, have them get naked, then jerk off to the naked child, and everything would be kosher? There's absolutely nothing wrong with that? You sick, sick son of a bitch. Die.
08/26/09
Things like this make me mad about the new commenting system.
IS THERE A WAY TO DELETE THIS WHOLE TREAD, GIZMODO? It is really unnecessary.
08/26/09
08/26/09
The idea that nudity is sexual only is a horrible concept. Is it sexual to take a shower in the morning? Or to be pre-clothed thereafter? Plenty of parents have pictures of their children naked, running around, being children. They don't have child pornography.
Child pornography is a problem.
If an artist wants to depict a nude child form, for non sexual purposes, with the consent of the child and their parents, that is their business.
Artistic Nudes are Art. People can use them for sexual purposes but they are not made for that purpose. In the same way that anything that isn't a weapon, can be used as one.
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08/26/09
Fortunately, this would seem to be par for the course on the Internet.
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And again, I do not condone child pornography.
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And I agree nudity does not equal sex. Nudity can be beautiful. But in this context, those rules do not apply. And defending someone having these pictures of young girls, knowing the circumstances, is something that disgusts me. And I HOPE it disgusts you too.
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Edit: Also, when transferring data, when importing an iPhoto library, each photo flashes on screen while it is imported. Usually, this is annoying and we minimize it while working on something else, but if images were the computers problems, I could see how the cp was discovered this way also.
08/26/09
Seem to remember the same thing happening in the UK at PC World...
To Gary Glitter!
08/26/09
08/26/09
I wonder what would have happened if this had occurred at Geek Squad instead...
08/26/09
Geek Squad guy: "just a minute" *fap fap fap*
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