@GoPadge: absolutely not. My old Mac mini (core 1 Duo, GMA950) spent 2 years under my TV with DVI-HDMI + optical jack-S/PDIF connected to the 5.1 receiver, running Plex (XBMC for Macs), and it was near-perfect: remote support, always on, silent, being able to rip my DVDs in order to have them on Plex...
I sold it 1 month ago, and waited for this upgrade. The connections will remain the same (including 2x1TB external HDDs), and I will now be able to play HD videos. #macmini
Not bad at all.So just $200 more than an atom based POS gets me a 1080p pumping HTPC with a full fledged CPU and a slot loading ODD....This is sadly the apple TV killer.
I just hope Apple supports USB Blu Ray playback to complete the package. #macmini
@UnderLoK: Actually they built rather good GUI tools for standard unix server stuff. You can still drop into the command line if you're comfortable with that, but for the price, it's a nice little server. Considering that OSX server is now an unlimited client license (used to be 10 user or unlimited), and this is a kick-ass small server option. #macmini
@KinOfCain: Cool, thanks. The last time I saw OSX Server had to have been over 4 years ago... I can't remember for sure, but I seem to remember working at the autoshow which would have been 2004 I think. #macmini
@imTheKing: Most of the web interface stuff I've used is Linux based (Cpanel, Ensim, etc), but I had assumed they had something easy to use, just wasn't sure.
@Vroomtrap: On our Cent/RHE boxes I spend most of my time in bash. While the OSX interface might be different, in Linux, AIX, Solaris, and the rest, the custom interfaces almost always have issues that don't come through into that interface to show you what's actually failing. Is this interface the same? #macmini
@UnderLoK: Actually the Leopard server has a verbose log file for each service. It gets written to the file system and there is also a GUI tail -f of the file. If you do have an issue that you can't resolve by clicking boxes, you can always use the man page and figure out how to fix your problem via bash.
I just ran into this yesterday when I was trying to set up a home VPN. I wasn't getting errors and the logs showed me exactly what my problem was.
@Barry99705: Um... nah not really. At that GUI level it's pretty simple--Anyone with a general understanding of what they are trying to do will be able to figure out how to set up whatever services they want enabled.
With that interface, you don't really need to be an IT admin to figure out how to set up most of those services as long as you have a general understanding of what they do. There aren't that many pics online of Leopard Server (because Microsoft world and Microsoft is light years ahead on e-mail which is what most companies really care about), but if you can find some detailed screens of it, you'll be able to see that setting things up isn't that difficult. I'll try and spin up a Virtual Machine later today and take some screen shots. #macmini
@drakino: You can't touch Exchange. Even if you HATE MS there are a few things that they do well even if they do still have their quirks (everything does).
There is tons of shit that MS has gotten completely wrong, but "generally speaking" the server side is a different story. All too often around here you see people talking crap about MS in general and pretending that they have a sea of servers that don't work at all, bsod, and the rest, but that isn't the norm and honestly I generally find it hard to believe that you could keep your job if that is the best you can produce (a farm of servers that don't work).
I have around 20 total, 2 RHE, 1 Cent, and 17 2K3 (2 2K8 at home), and they are all rock solid. Could be partially due to dumb luck, but really if you do your job, complete maintenance, and don't do anything stupid (applying patching without testing for example and or without fresh backups) on a production box you'll be just fine.
Back on topic, Exchange isn't just email which is what most companies are looking for. They want a single solution that can provide email, calendar, scheduling, collaboration, integration with other apps like webex, sharepoint, and the like.
Exchange is just a monster, but if you only needed email and that is it? Exchange is a waste of money. Hell you would be better off farming it out anyways if that is all you needed. #macmini
@drakino: It's not necessarily e-mail severing alone. It's more of the way that Microsoft has sold Windows Server + Micrsoft Office (Outlook) as a software package that remains a staple in any major company.
The nearly all of the largest companies in the United States runs the Microsoft Suite for business. And no other company (Redhat, Apple, anyone else) comes close to the integration and support that Microsoft offers large companies and the Government. There are so many little business cases that the brute force of Microsoft has solved that aren't even on other companies radars. Microsoft is the business standard.
@Vroomtrap: and @UnderLok
What interest me is that Apple is clearly moving more and more into the same space, but starting in the small business area. Out of the box, Leopard server (and of course Snow Leopard) offers the same features as Exchange. It's just tied to OS X on the client side for now, whereas Exchange can work (poorly) with non Outlook solutions.
I still have yet to see a company go 100% Exchange though, even a major fortune 500 company I used to work for. They chose to never expose a Microsoft server to the public internet, and postfix/sendmail was used on the perimeter. And at least from the user perspective, I have yet to work for a company that has a good Exchange server setup. This could just be the local admins not knowing what to do.
From my personal experience of running IMAP/POP + LDAP services for about 30 people for personal use, Exchange just seems to add additional complexity over the standard Unix mail tools for no good reason. "Rebuilding the database" is just a matter of nuking the DB cache files and letting the mail server rebuild from flat file maildir or mboxes. But I'll admit, this 30 person install doesn't reach the same complexity that an Exchange server likely has to deal with. #macmini
@drakino: You're right. Apple is moving there. I've been to plenty Apple conferences where they bolster support for Leopard Server as a competitor to Windows. The talk about 400(users):1(admin) OSX vs the 177(users):1(admin) Windows, standards they use, and openness. It was crazy, because Apple has 20,000+ employees and about 32 IT people on staff for the whole company. Now granted they are all in one campus, but that's still crazy.
Apple's corporate business isn't mature yet-and I don't even know if they want it to ever become mature. If they had a marketing plan like they do with their consumer business, they'd possibly pose a formidable opposition to Microsoft. One big thing Apple is very weak at is security--Not OS security, but implementing secure system environments. They are hiding under the shadow of being the "small guy." And I'm not really complaining because I run OSX as my main computer and I like not having to download Antivirus and Kernel updates every week. Apple knows that the second they are in the corporate game, they are going to be the target of hackers.
Trust me, I'm all about Macs, Snow Leopard and all the benefits of how Apple takes advantage of open technology, but the reality is that they just aren't aggressively pursuing the corporate market yet. #macmini
@Vroomtrap: Wow, that is an impressive IT:People ratio they have, though it's probably also helped by many self supporting workers. They do also have a large campus here in Austin, so some of their operations are split.
It will be interesting to watch where they go from here. Clearly a $1000 box to plop in the middle of a small business network could be pretty amazing for them. Though they not only have to fight the entrenched Microsoft environments, they have to also prove that running your own OS X server is worth it compared to paying for Google Apps.
As for security, Apple does have work to do, but I don't think they would be in as bad shape as Microsoft was around 2002-2003. Some of the exploits back then did target MS due to their dominance in the desktop, but plenty of them also targeted MS products that still don't dominate today, like IIS and MSSQL. Apple has the benefit of sitting on a foundation that has been targeted to some extend for 30+ years, and has been hardened over time due to that. #macmini
10/20/09
10/21/09
I sold it 1 month ago, and waited for this upgrade. The connections will remain the same (including 2x1TB external HDDs), and I will now be able to play HD videos. #macmini
10/20/09
I PAID TOP $ FOR THE MOST POWERFUL ONE, NOW IT IS THE Bottom of the line mac mini!!!
Any way that I can get a refund?!?!?!!?!?!? #macmini
10/20/09
Dude, that computer is about 70 years old in human years. Get over it.
(Also, your exclamation and question mark keys are apparently broken.) #macmini
10/20/09
10/20/09
But no, just a slightly faster processor and more RAM. Thank god for incremental changes. #macmini
10/20/09
I just hope Apple supports USB Blu Ray playback to complete the package. #macmini
10/20/09
[eshop.macsales.com] #macmini
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I guess that means no Apple HTPC for me. Maybe next year Apple?
10/20/09
While its an option from a few companies, Blu-ray sales on computers account for 3.6 percent of PC sales with the rate rising to 16% in four years.
There is NO REASON for Apple to put them in, no one in the entire PC market is buying them. #macmini
10/21/09
Can I at least plug an external Blu-ray via USB? Is there software in OSX that supports Blu-ray? #macmini
10/21/09
Its just Apple doesnt sell a machine with one. #macmini
10/21/09
Thanks. I'll look into that. #macmini
10/20/09
As far as the average user goes, HP's WHS is hard to beat. #macmini
10/20/09
10/20/09
@KinOfCain: Cool, thanks. The last time I saw OSX Server had to have been over 4 years ago... I can't remember for sure, but I seem to remember working at the autoshow which would have been 2004 I think. #macmini
10/20/09
@UnderLoK: This is the Administrator page where you're going to end up spending most of your time. #macmini
10/20/09
@Vroomtrap: On our Cent/RHE boxes I spend most of my time in bash. While the OSX interface might be different, in Linux, AIX, Solaris, and the rest, the custom interfaces almost always have issues that don't come through into that interface to show you what's actually failing. Is this interface the same? #macmini
10/20/09
I just ran into this yesterday when I was trying to set up a home VPN. I wasn't getting errors and the logs showed me exactly what my problem was.
10/20/09
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With that interface, you don't really need to be an IT admin to figure out how to set up most of those services as long as you have a general understanding of what they do. There aren't that many pics online of Leopard Server (because Microsoft world and Microsoft is light years ahead on e-mail which is what most companies really care about), but if you can find some detailed screens of it, you'll be able to see that setting things up isn't that difficult. I'll try and spin up a Virtual Machine later today and take some screen shots. #macmini
10/20/09
10/20/09
There is tons of shit that MS has gotten completely wrong, but "generally speaking" the server side is a different story. All too often around here you see people talking crap about MS in general and pretending that they have a sea of servers that don't work at all, bsod, and the rest, but that isn't the norm and honestly I generally find it hard to believe that you could keep your job if that is the best you can produce (a farm of servers that don't work).
I have around 20 total, 2 RHE, 1 Cent, and 17 2K3 (2 2K8 at home), and they are all rock solid. Could be partially due to dumb luck, but really if you do your job, complete maintenance, and don't do anything stupid (applying patching without testing for example and or without fresh backups) on a production box you'll be just fine.
Back on topic, Exchange isn't just email which is what most companies are looking for. They want a single solution that can provide email, calendar, scheduling, collaboration, integration with other apps like webex, sharepoint, and the like.
Exchange is just a monster, but if you only needed email and that is it? Exchange is a waste of money. Hell you would be better off farming it out anyways if that is all you needed. #macmini
10/20/09
The nearly all of the largest companies in the United States runs the Microsoft Suite for business. And no other company (Redhat, Apple, anyone else) comes close to the integration and support that Microsoft offers large companies and the Government. There are so many little business cases that the brute force of Microsoft has solved that aren't even on other companies radars. Microsoft is the business standard.
Hah--I sound like a freaking commercial. #macmini
10/20/09
What interest me is that Apple is clearly moving more and more into the same space, but starting in the small business area. Out of the box, Leopard server (and of course Snow Leopard) offers the same features as Exchange. It's just tied to OS X on the client side for now, whereas Exchange can work (poorly) with non Outlook solutions.
I still have yet to see a company go 100% Exchange though, even a major fortune 500 company I used to work for. They chose to never expose a Microsoft server to the public internet, and postfix/sendmail was used on the perimeter. And at least from the user perspective, I have yet to work for a company that has a good Exchange server setup. This could just be the local admins not knowing what to do.
From my personal experience of running IMAP/POP + LDAP services for about 30 people for personal use, Exchange just seems to add additional complexity over the standard Unix mail tools for no good reason. "Rebuilding the database" is just a matter of nuking the DB cache files and letting the mail server rebuild from flat file maildir or mboxes. But I'll admit, this 30 person install doesn't reach the same complexity that an Exchange server likely has to deal with. #macmini
10/20/09
Apple's corporate business isn't mature yet-and I don't even know if they want it to ever become mature. If they had a marketing plan like they do with their consumer business, they'd possibly pose a formidable opposition to Microsoft. One big thing Apple is very weak at is security--Not OS security, but implementing secure system environments. They are hiding under the shadow of being the "small guy." And I'm not really complaining because I run OSX as my main computer and I like not having to download Antivirus and Kernel updates every week. Apple knows that the second they are in the corporate game, they are going to be the target of hackers.
Trust me, I'm all about Macs, Snow Leopard and all the benefits of how Apple takes advantage of open technology, but the reality is that they just aren't aggressively pursuing the corporate market yet. #macmini
10/20/09
It will be interesting to watch where they go from here. Clearly a $1000 box to plop in the middle of a small business network could be pretty amazing for them. Though they not only have to fight the entrenched Microsoft environments, they have to also prove that running your own OS X server is worth it compared to paying for Google Apps.
As for security, Apple does have work to do, but I don't think they would be in as bad shape as Microsoft was around 2002-2003. Some of the exploits back then did target MS due to their dominance in the desktop, but plenty of them also targeted MS products that still don't dominate today, like IIS and MSSQL. Apple has the benefit of sitting on a foundation that has been targeted to some extend for 30+ years, and has been hardened over time due to that. #macmini
12/16/08
12/16/08
Oh, sorry, wrong thread.
12/16/08
$600 is too much for a 2Ghz Core2Duo with low-end cores and a shrimpy hard drive. This is what your $600 currently gets you:
1.83GHz (T5600) Intel Core 2 Duo
1GB memory
80GB hard drive
Integrated GPU with 64 MB of shared video RAM
If it didn't have a cartoon apple on the top, it would be called a gimpy computer.