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    Image of Xeno Xeno
    12:39 PM

    In reply to FSJ's Anti-AT&T Manifesto Makes Me Raise My Fist in Solidarity
    I agree with the sentiment. At&t sucks and they have for a long while. They should be investing their massive profits in making network improvements.

    If you really want to put it to them and show them that you care about quality vote with your dollars. Cancel your contract tell them why. Move to the best network you can. If you don't then you are saying to them that what they are doing is the right decision. This is how Capitalism works.
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    12:15 PM

    In reply to FSJ's Anti-AT&T Manifesto Makes Me Raise My Fist in Solidarity
    +1 Anyone more inspired to do operation chokehold now?
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    12:14 PM

    In reply to FSJ's Anti-AT&T Manifesto Makes Me Raise My Fist in Solidarity
    Is it actually Randall Stephenson or is it Fake Randall Stephenson?
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    12:12 PM

    In reply to FSJ's Anti-AT&T Manifesto Makes Me Raise My Fist in Solidarity
    I'll repost since it applies:

    The second I clicked on gizmodo and noticed that decked-out AT&T advertisement orange home page I thought to myself, "better scroll down to find a recent post that shits on AT&T." Well well, lookie here. Irony is like fine wine, it hides away in your cellar, and continues to grow finer with age.
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    Image of badhatharry badhatharry
    12:12 PM

    In reply to FSJ's Anti-AT&T Manifesto Makes Me Raise My Fist in Solidarity
    Was this his "one more thing?"
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    12:10 PM

    In reply to AT&T Has Spent Less on Network Construction Every Quarter Since the iPhone's Launch
    The second I clicked on gizmodo and noticed that decked-out AT&T advertisement orange home page I thought to myself, "better scroll down to find a recent post that shits on AT&T." Well well, lookie here. Irony is like fine wine, it hides away in your cellar, and continues to grow finer with age.
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    Image of TheSonOfKrypton TheSonOfKrypton
    12:07 PM

    In reply to FSJ's Anti-AT&T Manifesto Makes Me Raise My Fist in Solidarity
    Wow. FSJ is holding nothing back. NICCCCCCCCEEEEEEE!!! Let these flamers KNOW FSJ!
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    12:04 PM

    In reply to FSJ's Anti-AT&T Manifesto Makes Me Raise My Fist in Solidarity
    so, how long are we going to keep posting pictures of the AT&T as the death star while AT&T sponsors this page? Just curious if it was part of the contract.
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    Image of TheSonOfKrypton TheSonOfKrypton
    12:09 PM

    @yantelope: Contract? Dude. AT&T wanted to advertise on Giz. They payed Giz to do so. End of story. Giz shouldn't have to tailor their content to appease AT&T, regardless of their current advertising status.
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    Image of MikeSWelch MikeSWelch
    12:12 PM

    @yantelope: I think this is wonderful. Gizmodo is fine accepting checks from ATT but they are still telling it like it is.
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    Image of NorwoodIsMyHero NorwoodIsMyHero
    12:14 PM

    @MikeSWelch: AT&T wouldn't want them to change it anyways. IT would be too obvious and wouldn't help them anyways.
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    12:15 PM

    @TheSonOfKrypton: I'm not complaining. I just find it amusing that AT&T would want to advertise on giz given their past articles. Of course giz usually just posts links to other people complaining about AT&T but it's still amusing.
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    Image of TheSonOfKrypton TheSonOfKrypton
    12:18 PM

    @yantelope: True true.....
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    Image of Noobs-R-Us Noobs-R-Us
    12:46 PM

    @yantelope: It's called biting the hand that feeds it or smacking the hen that lays the golden eggs or whatever other hackneyed sayings that are out there.
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    12:50 PM

    @MikeSWelch: OMG I GOT STARRED!!!

    I just want to thank all the great people who have helped me to achieve this greatness. I also...

    *OMG! Ponies! runs up on stage and grabs the mic from my hands*

    OMG! Ponies!: I'm really happy for you, but Kaiser-Machead is the greatest commenter of all time. OF ALL TIME
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    01:15 PM

    @MikeSWelch: man, you got a star by flattery. Well played.
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    12:03 PM

    In reply to FSJ's Anti-AT&T Manifesto Makes Me Raise My Fist in Solidarity
    It would be better if Mr Lyons could get his server problems sorted out.
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    Image of Slinkytech Slinkytech
    11:27 AM

    In reply to AT&T Has Spent Less on Network Construction Every Quarter Since the iPhone's Launch
    I GUARANTEE the comcast is worst though.

    Though, I'm glad I'm with Verizon, because AT&T is as greedy as Goldman Sachs.
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    Image of Zoolook Zoolook
    11:46 AM

    @Slinkytech: Whereas Verizon gives away all their profits to kitten charities, right?
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    Image of Slinkytech Slinkytech
    01:13 PM

    @Zoolook: no, but AT&T does use kittens as target practice.
    This is the same as politics, it's not which one is the best, it's which one sucks less.
    Verizon sucks less.
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    10:53 AM

    In reply to AT&T Has Spent Less on Network Construction Every Quarter Since the iPhone's Launch
    There is also the flipside of this in that there are so many companies having hard times right now that you can buy hardware for very cheap.
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    10:48 AM

    In reply to AT&T Has Spent Less on Network Construction Every Quarter Since the iPhone's Launch
    I do love that this is the first story on the site while simultaneously AT&T has purchased the banner ad space
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    Image of MrBlahBlah MrBlahBlah
    10:51 AM

    @yantelope: I was going to say the same thing.....what irony.
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    Image of Slinkytech Slinkytech
    11:26 AM

    @yantelope: LOL.
    Didn't notice that until you said that. LOLOLllolLolololl!!!!111!!1!
    How dumb is AT&T? VERY VERY DUMB THAT'S HOW DUMB. lol
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    Image of NorwoodIsMyHero NorwoodIsMyHero
    10:48 AM

    In reply to AT&T Has Spent Less on Network Construction Every Quarter Since the iPhone's Launch
    The reason they've spent less on every quarter since the iPhone's launch is that since the end of 2007 credit's been constricting and businesses have been uncertain about their future economic outlooks. Companies like AT&T utilize short term credit and long term debt to expand.

    Cash and Cash equivalents may increase, but thats because companies have to protect their liquidity in recessions like this. Companies that don't have idle liquidity can get crushed in a matter of days. If AT&T ended up locked out of commercial paper markets, they could burn through that 4.375 billion in a matter of days.

    Also, increasing cash and cash equivalents could easily be a sign that AT&T is either preparing to: buy another provider, or build more capacity into the network. They may just be waiting for more clear signs that consumer spending is recovering.

    2008 and 2009 were not good years to be shoveling cash out the door for long term investments.
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    Image of Monty Monty
    10:51 AM

    @NorwoodIsMyHero: All true enough, but when you are going on the tele blathering on about how you are spending all of this money improving your network, you better damn well be doing it. The problem is not that AT&T is hoarding cash due to the financial situation - most businesses are. The problem is they are borderline lying about their efforts to fix their broken network.
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    Image of NorwoodIsMyHero NorwoodIsMyHero
    10:58 AM

    @Monty: Its all relative really. Yes, they have spent less every quarter, but they've probably still shelled out more money than they would have liked to. To them thats equivalent to trying to improve their network.

    They could also be in the planning stages of a big expansion, and letting cash build up to be able to lay down some hefty amounts at the initiation of a plan to expand, in order to attract creditors who will want them to put out what amounts to down payments on collateral for large loans.

    Business investment takes time to plan. If they did it haphazardly that would be even more disasterous than not doing it at all.
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    Image of MrBlahBlah MrBlahBlah
    10:59 AM

    @NorwoodIsMyHero: You raise good points, but I have a few counter-points.

    - as a telecom provider whose customers are locked into long-term contracts, the company has a very stable, predictable cash flow stream. There is very little uncertainty. As a result, it is less dependent on commercial paper markets than companies such as GE, which fundamentally rely on short-term credit markets to fund manufacturing, inventory, etc

    - As a wireless provider, at&t wireless is in a high growth industry. I can say with pretty good certainty that their business will not be crushed by the declining economy. The numbers have shown this. And in any event, it is backstopped by customer contracts.

    - The short-term debt markets have been buoyed by the TALF program run by the government. The US government will not allow these markets to shut down.

    -Long term credit is more a problem for sure, but the company is printing money. They may not be able to lever up the ass, but i am sure they can find or roll over some of their debt when it comes due.
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    Image of NorwoodIsMyHero NorwoodIsMyHero
    11:18 AM

    @MrBlahBlah: 2 years of guaranteed revenues can still leave AT&T up a creek with no paddle, if customers cancel and refuse to pay the ETF they have no collateral to collect on. There was much uncertainty as to how consumers would react to constricting credit for consumers. No one knew if they would simply cancel everything and take the hit to their credit, taking cheaper paygo options that are available. After realizing the bonanza of consumer spending had ended, companies were extremely wary about how erratic customers would become.

    AT&T is in a high growth industry you are right about that. but 2008- and 2009 were years where there was no certainty as to what would happen economically in the future. Even high growth industries will start to suffer if unemployment creeps high enough. Especially since demand for higher end higher margin plans is probably quite elastic. If AT&T extended its cash on the basis of those assumptions and thing had taken a turn for the worse ... kersplat! It appears that won't happen but the fear that it would from mid 2008 to mid 2009 was extreme.

    AT&T still relies on short term debt markets when making initial outlays on construction. At the time AT&T stopped spending, the government had not created TALF. They stopped spending at the end of 2007 and in mid 2008 no one knew if we were headed for The Great Depression - the Remix, or a mild recession.

    I'd agree with you about the fact that AT&T is in high growth industry. But if you look at stock prices during the worst of 2008 and 2009 it becomes clear that no one was certain about the future value of the industry.
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    Image of Joel Johnson Joel Johnson
    11:27 AM

    @NorwoodIsMyHero: What a lovely conversation. Thank you both.
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    Image of Astigmatism Astigmatism
    12:20 PM

    @NorwoodIsMyHero: I'm jumping in a little late here, but wanted to clear up a few points. AT&T has securitized credit card and licensing receivables, but never (to my knowledge, though I'd be interested in hearing if I'm wrong) consumer contract receivables. Why would they? As others have indicated, they're sitting on so much cash that they have no need to go through the administrative expense (and lose the necessary margin) of selling off their future consumer cash flows for the sake of an immediate cash infusion. And there's virtually no risk - you won't even find a discussion of reserves for contract cancellations in their reports - so no need to find a hedge fund to take on that risk. In other words, their CapEx has very little to do with the credit markets.

    Sure they need to worry about a downturn in consumer spending along with everyone else: people may decide that it doesn't make sense to spend $100 a month on a cell phone plan when they can't pay rent. But you know how to make absolutely dead sure that people won't pay them $100 a month? By having a shitty network that makes people hate their phone and AT&T, count down the days until they can trade it in for a Droid, and vow never to use AT&T again. They needed to balance a need for medium-term cash with a desire for long-term customer loyalty, and in my estimation they've done a complete f*ckup of a job.
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    Image of Monty Monty
    10:46 AM

    In reply to AT&T Has Spent Less on Network Construction Every Quarter Since the iPhone's Launch
    Come on, guys - lay off poor AT&T. It costs a lot of money to create advertising campaigns to convince consumers that they are a good company.

    Seriously .. Was there one of us in geek land that screamed with little girl joy when the iPhone was announced on their network? Are any of us surprised by how all of this has turned out? This is AT&T, folks -- this is what they do. They are good at it.
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    10:43 AM

    In reply to AT&T Has Spent Less on Network Construction Every Quarter Since the iPhone's Launch
    The fact that the whole main page is orange because of the ATT sponsorship makes this post sooo much better.
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    10:49 AM

    @PurpleMonkeyDishwasher:: It certainly does.
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