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newgalactic
11/08/09

In reply to Latest Snow Leopard Developer Build Breaks Hackintosh Support... Again
Honestly, is there any reason to go beyond OSX 10.5 with an Atom powered netbook? #apple
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Kaiser-Machead
11/07/09

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Technically, there is no mess, at least no real mess. This is only an issue for people who play/test with pre-release software updates.
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Poop Cooper
11/07/09

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My hope is that maybe, somewhere, deep inside the bowels of Apple, a team of rogue developers are creating a super-secret Snow Leopard install disc that you can use to dual-boot your PC legally, and for that reason they're trying to close the Atom support so they can sell it in a sanctioned version. #apple
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Kaiser-Machead
11/07/09

@Poop Cooper: That would be interesting... #apple
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TJ
11/07/09

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Speaking of merciless gods, what does it take for Giz to bequeath unto me a star? I'm unemployed and will remain so unless I have such an honor to put on my resume.

Pwitty pweeze??? :-( #apple
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Nathan Obbards
11/07/09

@TJ: First rule of star club is don't beg for stardom. When it happens, it happens, until then, enjoy Giz and try not to be a douche or troll (not saying you are, just that that helps in the path to stardom). That or steal OMG Ponies! account. #apple
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TJ
11/07/09

@Nathan Obbards: I was worried about that. I just got pushed back another year didn't I?

Ahh well, I love Giz too much to be bitter. I'll just go drink a bottle of Morgan and cry myself to sleep.

...and to think I was willing to shamefully prostitute myself for that star. #apple
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PotteryBarnClearanceSale
11/07/09

@TJ: What did you do before you lost your job?

edit for later: and then the chap went to bed. Sleep tight.
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TJ
11/09/09

@PotteryBarnClearanceSale: I was a sys admin for a small software house near where I live. #apple
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zer0zen
11/07/09

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Apple will eventually lock out Atom, or any other processor they don't currently use in a product, just like they're locking out Palm from using iTunes.

Apple is a hardware business and if something might reduce sales of that hardware, they're gonna have to put the hurt on. *SMACK* #apple
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Kaiser-Machead
11/07/09

@zer0zen: Palm is nowhere near the same as the Atom processor. Palm tries to break into Apple's proprietary software, whereas Intel simply makes the procs for other computers. Hackintosh systems have been around for a long time, and many of them use the same exact processors that Apple uses. #apple
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zer0zen
11/07/09

@Kaiser-Machead: The essence of a Hackintosh is taking Apple's OS and running it on non-Apple hardware, which Apple specifically does not want because it cuts them out of a potential hardware sale. Palm bustin' into iTunes is the same deal because a Pre getting into the iTunes world means non-Apple hardware gets into the ecosystem which can reduce iPod/iPhone sales. Apple wants to protect their walled garden at all costs.

Basically, don't mess with Apple's hardware sales or they'll come a knockin'!#apple
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PotteryBarnClearanceSale
11/07/09

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The video reminds me of all the times I tried to put Linux partitions on my Mac drives and use a boot loader. Works for a while, only a little while. Eventually you'll do something to kill it.

I've recently become a fan of VM's for alternative OS's. So much easier to experiment with. Doesn't help with the Mac OS though, sorry. #apple
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DaveExile (SimANT for iPhone NOW!)
11/07/09

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Pity.

This would be about the only way many Windows users would buy into the MacOS ecosystem. $1000 (minimum) is too much of an investment to try a new OS. #apple
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Nathan Obbards
11/07/09

@DaveExile (Starfree since 2006!): I've worked in both ecosystems (Apple at a former job) and I have to wholeheartedly agree. Both are great, but it sucks to jump to a whole new one without any knowledge of how it works. I worked on Macs for 3 years and was still confused sometimes with how they worked because I literally grew up on Windows and, as such, feel comfortable in it.

I'm hackintoshing my Mini 10v as soon as I find a willing friend with a Mac, but making the full leap would be tough for me, especially since I would have to not only pay the high price for a new Mac, but also rebuy several thousand dollars worth of software. #apple
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LilCheez
11/08/09

@Nathan Obbards: Though I would be happy to lend out my mac so you can hack your mini 10v like I did, I can only assume we live nowhere close one another and would recommend going to a public library. Many are carrying Macs now and you could do lots of fun illegal stuff in public ;). Or even a University library, since they're open to public (it would be more likely to have some Macs.) #apple
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Nathan Obbards
11/08/09

@LilCheez: I would do that, but I've only seen Dells on campus and Windows PCs at all the libraries around me. #apple
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LilCheez
11/09/09

@Nathan Obbards: Perhaps this will assist you. <[www.mydellmini.com] #apple
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Nathan Obbards
11/09/09

@LilCheez: Awesome, thanks. #apple
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TheGZeus
11/07/09

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This is why I don't use proprietary software or hardware.

Don't tell me what to do with hardware I've purchased. Don't charge me money for something that doesn't exist, then tell me what I can and can't run it on. #apple
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Nathan Obbards
11/07/09

@TheGZeus: Except they aren't doing that. They are trying to streamline their OS for their hardware that they use (in theory). They aren't charging you for anything or telling you what to do. That's like complaining that you can't load Android on your iPhone or drop a Chevy transmission into your Ford truck without heavy modification. You are doing something that is outside of the scope of the product and, as such, can expect to see problems.

I, as much as the next person, wish that Apple would open up their software more, bring down prices, etc. but they have a right as a company to streamline their OS for their hardware, even if that means crippling unsupported hardware in violation of their EULA. I say this as a proponent of hackintoshing. #apple
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TheGZeus
11/07/09

@Nathan Obbards: They're charging me for the hardware _and_ the software, then they tell you what you can and can't do with it.
Sell your computer? The EULA says the next user has to buy it. Own 5 macs with Leopard on them? You have to buy 5 licenses. Want the interface to be different, they don't want you to...
The list goes on.

I don't use proprietary software.
I don't want to use proprietary software.
I don't like using proprietary software.

Want to port Linux/BSD/other weirder free operating system? Do it. Want to give it to someone else when you're done? Do it.
I don't like the idea that these companies charge you for work that's already been done, but keep charging whether they've recieved payment in proportion to the work done or not.
Software doesn't exist. It's math. It's not even a creative pursuit, and I release all my music/videos under Creative Commons licenses, (unless they're parodies, where things get weird).

My head's splitting from too much caffiene today, so I might not be being too clear.

I'm not saying you shouldn't be allowed to charge for licenses on copyrighted works. That's legal and ethical. The concern is moral.
It is my opinion that it's immoral, but it's just an opinion.
I refuse to be told how to use my computer. Windows, Mac, even the original BeOS and DOS. They all restrict what you do with your computer.
DRM alone is reprehensible, and that's just the most obvious.

I could go on for hours, but I doubt you care, and again, it's just my opinion. #apple
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back_at_it
11/07/09

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here's one vote for killing it. i think the hackintosh concept is kind of a mess. apple's whole philosophy is about mating the hardware with the software in a specific way; if you don't like it, don't buy a mac. this is one area where i don't really think the status quo need always be challenged; it's ok to follow a company's rules sometimes. #apple
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PotteryBarnClearanceSale
11/07/09

@back_at_it: I agree with your comment. But there is also the whole Darwin experiment where Apple open sourced the OS to a degree. Did they not know it would be used to run on other hardware?
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back_at_it
11/07/09

@PotteryBarnClearanceSale: you've got a point there. while i can't really speak for apple, and your question is of course rhetorical, i would venture to say that making parts of the os open source (ex: grand central) only allows for portions of the code to be used/modified. it doesn't allow for the whole os to be 'borrowed' am implemented. i do however think the case can be made that you cannot embrace open source without actually showing some semblance of support for that very movement (it's a bit oxymoronic on apple's part). #apple
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PotteryBarnClearanceSale
11/07/09

@back_at_it:
Yeah, I didn't really hit my point on that. What I was really getting at is that Apple opened the door, but there is absolutely no reason the golden master designers should support hardware outside hardware on their table. Namely, Apple hardware.
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Edited by PotteryBarnClearanceSale at 11/07/09 8:52 PM

glitch44
11/07/09

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It's almost like Apple is not providing full support for the hardware you didn't buy from them and the software you pirated from them. How dare they! #apple
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AkkiRonin
11/07/09

@glitch44: The software isn't necessarily pirated. I, and a lot of others, bought the copies we used. I don't think most of us feel we are owed support. We're hoping it will keep working and it would be annoying it they did it for some strategy alone.
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Thee Sea
11/07/09

@AkkiRonin:
1. It doesn't matter if you bought it or not. It still violates the EULA.
2. Your hardware is not supported and you had to perform other EULA violating operations to get it to function on said non-supported hardware.
3. Just because you bought it does not mean your actions are supported or condoned by Apple. #apple
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AkkiRonin
11/07/09

@Thee Sea: Read my post? I said I didn't pirate it, didnt claim to uphold EULA. And specifically said I didnt expect support. #apple
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PotteryBarnClearanceSale
11/07/09

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The OS developers at Apple don't give a ragged ass about unsupported setups, if you're using any system off book you're lucky anything works the way you want it to when it is in test mode. The final release will meet broader standards but that still doesn't mean they are debugging for Hackintosh systems. #apple
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Xndingo
11/07/09

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''some sort of some sort of'' #apple
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Chris Jacob
11/07/09

@Xndingo: Yeah, just fixed. Thanks.
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iansilv
11/07/09

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Hmm... this sucks. If Apple would just release a small, cheap plastic iBook or something this would all go away, and they would make a shitload of money.

Or they could just do the Slate already.

Just give us dock with an external monitor connection apple- so we can use it as a less powerful desktop computer when we want to.

Heck- do that with the iPhone too! #apple
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coolbho3000
11/07/09

@iansilv: If Apple would just, you know, price their computer hardware reasonably, this would all go away, and they would still make a shitload of money. #apple
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SysRq
11/07/09

@coolbho3000: Except plenty of people already buy their overpriced hardware and Apple already makes a shitload of money. #apple
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rhoderickj
11/07/09

@SysRq: Which, from the perspective of an economist, means that it's priced just right. Otherwise, it wouldn't sell so well. #apple
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SysRq
11/07/09

@rhoderickj: I actually think Mac prices right now are pretty awesome considering what you get. #apple
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Aetius
11/07/09

@SysRq: Thats a debatable point. I think Macs can command the price point simply because until very recently, most PC offerings and the OS itself was very basic and crude looking. I look at XP and my old Dell Dimension and then Windows 7's sexy glass look and maturity running on a Dell XPS13 or the HP Envy 13 and it's lights years. And that's changing across the line. Netbooks are very chic for a lot of people, the new HP and Dell laptops are all pretty good looking, the new XPS desktops and even lower end Dells have some amoutn of design ethos and charm.

People looking for design and class on a PC now actually have options. #apple
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ghmlco
11/07/09

@SysRq: And Dell sells cheaper computers and, at last quarter, is NOT making a shitload of money. #apple
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SysRq
11/08/09

@Aetius: That is making the assumption that people only want to buy a computer for aesthetic reasons. Sure, I love how pretty my Mac is. I also love how intuitive the GUI is, how solid the OS is, and how reliable the hardware is. #apple
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Aetius
11/08/09

@SysRq: I agree with your points. And I think those are points on which the Windows OS and computers built by Lenovo, HP and to an increasing extent, Dell are improving upon. They were definitely behind Apple on many of those but they are putting in the effort to close the gap and when you buy something like the HP dm3 or the XPS desktops, it's evident. #apple
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RT100
11/03/09

In reply to Via Nano 3000 Wants to Rip Out the Eyes of the Intel Atom
will apple break compatibility on VIA nanos as well? #vianano3000
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Kaiser-Machead
11/03/09

@_rt¹⁰⁰: Are they compatible now? I wasn't even aware. #vianano3000
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RT100
11/03/09

@_rt100: apple killed Intel Atom compatibility with 10.6.2 I believe #vianano3000
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RT100
11/03/09

@Kaiser-Machead: apple killed Intel Atom compatibility with 10.6.2 I believe #vianano3000
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Kaiser-Machead
11/03/09

@_rt¹⁰⁰: Oh no I meant the VIA. #vianano3000
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Scratic
11/01/09

In reply to Mysterious Cowon W2 Is an Atom-Equipped Something or Other
What is this, Cowanmodo? It seems every story is speculation about what Cowan may or may not be working on for the future. I know you have a lot of Cowan fan-boys to appease, and I'm sure that Lam is on Cowan's payroll with free access to any unreleased Cowan products in exchange for plugging any leaks before they happen, but this is ridiculous. Just once I want to go to my favorite gadget site and read some real tech news. What is Kevin Rose wearing? Where does Walt Mossberg eat lunch? What is Coleco up to? These are questions I want answered. #tablets
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