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fleebailey33
11/20/09

In reply to Intel Atom's Snow Leopard Compatibility Re-Hacked
apple releases the kernel sources, it doesn't do the same for itunes, as long as apple does that the atom will always work.
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Kaiser-Machead
11/20/09

In reply to Intel Atom's Snow Leopard Compatibility Re-Hacked
Technically you can't break support of something when it was never listed in the spec requirements or even installed on said hardware officially to begin with :P

That's like saying an iTunes update broke support of the Palm Pre.
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natelock
11/20/09

@Kaiser-Machead: You can support something unintentionally. And just with most unintentional supports they are likely to break. Apple just took a hammer to it. By Steve-thars hammer, by the suns of Woz, you shall be avenged!
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Kaiser-Machead
11/20/09

@natelock: Great Lisa's ghost! Perhaps you're right.
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nutbastard
11/19/09

In reply to Asus Eee PC 1201N...$500 Seems Like a Great Deal, But Have We Been Had?
poking around the dell website, i configured the following:

14" 720p display, 250GB, 2GB, intel wireless n, T4300 proc, 9 cell battery:

$534

looks like it comes with vista (WTF?) but i'd just throw TinyXP on anyways.

bottom line: you can totally score a much better laptop with not too much more heft for not too much more money, and i'm sure you could pick up something with an AMD for even cheaper.
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Mark Wilson
11/19/09

@nutbastard: It's true, you can configure one. But as I said in another thread, walk into, say, a Best Buy and these machines are basically non-existent.
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The_Red_Monkey
11/19/09

@nutbastard: 14 inch and 720p display but what are the graphics capabilities? Crap I am sure.

Bottom line: It does not take much processor to run office, facebook and the other crap most people do. And instead of a huge notebook I can carry a much lighter and smaller unit with tremendous battery life.

And every week best buy and every other retailer has a deal for a $399 Notebook.

[www.bestbuy.com]
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nutbastard
11/19/09

@The_Red_Monkey:

when my 5 year old inspiron with a palty 512mb of ram and a 1.6ghz pentium m can run fullscreen HD video at 1920 x 1280, i tend to believe that a dual core @ 2.1ghz can handle output at 720 just fine, even if it is with integrated graphics.

the other part is, my laptop is my primary computer - i dont own a desktop, so whatever i eventually upgrade to needs all teh bells and whistles.
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nutbastard
11/19/09

In reply to Asus Eee PC 1201N...$500 Seems Like a Great Deal, But Have We Been Had?
i know optical media is kind of dying, but when your machine gets gorked and needs to be doctored up a bit, you can't always count on being able to boot over USB.
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Demonbird
11/19/09

In reply to Asus Eee PC 1201N...$500 Seems Like a Great Deal, But Have We Been Had?
Netbooks should not break $400 in price, and I won't buy one over that.
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whootowl
11/19/09

@Demonbird: Look, Steve Jobs says it is impossible to sell a computer for less than $500 that does not suck. So, buy a netbook for $500 if you want a computer that does not suck.
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Demonbird
11/19/09

@whootowl:
lol
But... I bought a netbook for $380 that's a good netbook, it doesn't suck. It doesn't... Can Steve Jobs... be wrong?
Oh my lord...

#speakup
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Nathan Obbards
11/19/09

In reply to Asus Eee PC 1201N...$500 Seems Like a Great Deal, But Have We Been Had?

"I mean, I'm not arguing this is probably the most promising netbook of all time."

Kanye approves.
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Chimaera
11/19/09

In reply to Asus Eee PC 1201N...$500 Seems Like a Great Deal, But Have We Been Had?
[www.dell.com]
They're there, but they're not stock. You can still get a C2Duo as a BTO option. But don't let the Pentium name scare you - they've got half the L2 cache, but they're Core2 parts and a wicked good value.
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dagamer34
11/19/09

In reply to Asus Eee PC 1201N...$500 Seems Like a Great Deal, But Have We Been Had?
What are you talking about? Those cheap laptops are everywhere in Black Friday ads!
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Segador
11/19/09

In reply to Asus Eee PC 1201N...$500 Seems Like a Great Deal, But Have We Been Had?
But what happened to those computers? Where did they go?

To Newegg, but they're $50 more now.

[www.newegg.com]
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Mark Wilson
11/19/09

@Segador: Yeah, the last time I checked, you can't find em on the floor of Best Buy anymore.
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Segador
11/19/09

@Mark Wilson: I think what happened is that companies realized that they were cutting into their own netbook markets by pricing decently powerful notebooks at or below $500.
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Sticks Calhoun
11/19/09

In reply to Asus Eee PC 1201N...$500 Seems Like a Great Deal, But Have We Been Had?
Weren't the Core 2 Duos you're referring to later renamed dual-core Centrino or something like that?

* Researches *
OK, from Wikipedia: There is also some confusion with Core 2 Duo and Centrino Duo. Centrino Duo is the combination of Core 2 Duo and Intel Next Gen Wireless Systems. Core 2 Duo however is referring to the mobile CPU directly. Hence this led to new Centrino branding in 2008.

[en.wikipedia.org]

So I guess the cheap Core 2 Duo laptops are still around but branded differently? I don't know, someone feel free to correct me. I'm confused as hell about it and also on deadline, so I can't delve too deep.

Also, I'd wager the dual-core Pentiums popping up in laptops now are more powerful than the Cores of Yore, so you can still get decent power for $500, it's just not called the same thing anymore.
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Nathan Obbards
11/19/09

@Sticks Calhoun: My understanding is that Centrino is the early name for them. My laptop advertises a dual core Centrino processor when it's a C2D T7200 processor. Go figure.
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nutbastard
11/19/09

@Sticks Calhoun:

my understanding that Centrino isn't a processor designation - it's a combination of low power processor and wifi card, as well as some other low power components. my old dell had some shitty wifi card in it when i got it, and it was not a centrino, but popping in a specific intel card suddenly made the boot screen say 'centrino'.

from the centrino wiki:

"Centrino is a platform-marketing initiative from Intel. It is not a mobile CPU - rather, the term covers a particular combination of mainboard chipset, mobile CPU and wireless network interface in the design of a laptop."
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11/19/09

@Nathan Obbards:

... im going to go out on a limb here and assert that you mean your laptop has a dual core Celeron processor.
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Nathan Obbards
11/19/09

@nutbastard: Nope. I bought an early HP dv6000 (worst decision and laptop ever) and on those fancy stickers that came on it that are now gone, it advertised itself as a dual core Centrino processor. This here is the processor in it: [ark.intel.com] . Definitely not a Celeron, just the laptop was advertised as a Centrino. It was odd to me too.
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Monty
11/11/09

In reply to Netbook Hackintosh 10.6.2 Fix Coming In "A Few Weeks," Fallen Netbooks Can Be Revived Now
Sorry for the question, but why is this a "dick move" on the part of Apple? Is it because it is only being used by "hobbyists", or because we think it is okay to install OS X on whatever we want to install it on? What right does Apple have to dictate the use of their software? When I steal - er, I mean make a "hobbyist copy" of a movie, is it a dick move by the studio to do what they can to stop me?

It seems like this is just another case of "piracy" to some degree, and while we all take liberties on this subject, I am not certain it is a "dick move" by the company who "owns" (ignoring the open source content) the software to protect their product.

I will shut up now. My apologies, again. #1062hackintosh
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John Herrman
11/11/09

@Monty: It's definitely up for discussion, but these are loyal Mac fans, paying (though not always full price) for software to use on a product for which Apple has no direct competitor.

I can see why Apple might want to stop this kind of thing, but I can see more clearly how it's a dick move for them to go out of their way to do it. #1062hackintosh
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vercordio
11/11/09

@Monty: For what it's worth, I completely agree. As I said here when this issue was first confirmed, Apple is a hardware company. They don't care how many copies of OSX they sell. By installing Snow Leopard on anything other than a Mac, you've completely circumvented its entire purpose for being (i.e. to sell more Macs). Sorry, but this is hardly a "dick move." #1062hackintosh
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thePrototype
11/11/09

@John Herrman: They are not paying full price though. The only way to obtain a full version of the Mac OS is to purchase it with hardware. They are bypassing the upgrade path, and breaking the EULA #1062hackintosh
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HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H.
11/11/09

@thePrototype: So, why is it that, when we're comparing OSX to Windows, the $130 is the "full version" of the OS, but when we're talking Hackintoshing, it's only an upgrade license? #1062hackintosh
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thatsmrpotatohead2U
11/11/09

@John Herrman: And isn't it the fact that it is 'hobbyist' that makes it a dick move by Apple? I can completely understand their wanting to squish Psystar for trying to make money with Apple's intellectual property and someone else's inferior product. But if I , in the privacy of my own home, want to mate a consenting adult mini 10v with an up-for-it-and-legal copy of os X, who are Apple to tell me I can't? #1062hackintosh
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thePrototype
11/11/09

@HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H.: If anyone does that, they have no idea how Apple licenses their OS.

That being said, the Windows 7 upgrade pricing goes from $119 to $219. Those are the prices that should be compared against Snow Leopard's upgrade pricing of $29 #1062hackintosh
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NoelleBlue
11/11/09

@thatsmrpotatohead2U: I think it's your ending analogy that really got me! It's forbidden-relationship-macporn, baby.

Seriously, I agree, that's why it's a dick move - while I understand the argument of Apple not wanting to support Hackintoshing, I find their active attempt to squish it less than impressive. (And doomed to failure.) Apple attracts a lot of tech geeks with their shiny shiny things, and tech geeks are always going to futz around with limits once they tire of what they can do with the basic, supplied product.

But that IS Apple, really. "You can do whatever you want with our stuff, darlings!" is not exactly their tagline.
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thePrototype
11/11/09

@thatsmrpotatohead2U: The thing is, any copy of the OS that is running on the computer it did not sell with IS illegal. #1062hackintosh
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SigmundTheSeaMonster
11/11/09

@John Herrman: I didn't pay for Snow Leopard to be installed on my Mini 9. I paid for it to be installed on my MacPro. Since I like to tinker, the mini 9 is perfect "tool". If Apple intentionally did this to neuter the Hackintosh community, then the community will figure a way around it.
Which is irony when you look back at Woz and Phreaking... #1062hackintosh
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thatsmrpotatohead2U
11/11/09

@thePrototype: Fail. So I put Win 7 on my mac via boot camp, thats illegal? what if I only EVER boot up in 7 on my mac? What are they going to do, waterboard me until I hit the option on startup? #1062hackintosh
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thePrototype
11/11/09

@thatsmrpotatohead2U: No, you fail. Microsoft licenses their software individual of hardware, so you can purchase the full version from $199 to $319.

If you were to install Windows 7 upgrade without having purchased XP or Vista OEM at the same time you purchased your Mac you would be breaking the law. They may not waterboard you, but lots of corporations get handed million dollar fines for breaking software licensing agreements. #1062hackintosh
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The Lab
11/11/09

@thatsmrpotatohead2U: More like "who is the law to tell me I can't". That EULA is a binding legal document son. You break it and you are breaking a contract. The law is clear on this point. #1062hackintosh
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thatsmrpotatohead2U
11/11/09

@thePrototype: @The Lab: You guys are all assuming I wouldn't pay for the software. The kind of work I do I couldn't afford to take a chance like that.

Would your comments be any different in light of this? #1062hackintosh
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Monty
11/11/09

@thatsmrpotatohead2U: I think the argument here is that most of the cost of the OS X software is in the cost of the hardware. I suppose I could understand the logic of someone who owns a MacBook creating a Hackintosh since they already "paid" for OS X (though, they only paid for a single copy). However, if you merely purchased an upgrade license and do not own a Mac, you did not really pay for OS X. #1062hackintosh
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skevy
11/11/09

@Monty: I'm not saying that Apple should start writing frickin drivers for non-Apple machines - but what the hell is the point in killing support for shit like this? Is support for the Atom REALLY taking up space in the kernel that they need to use for something else? No.

I own a Macbook Pro, a copy of Leopard and a copy of Snow Leopard. Who in the hell are they to try to PREVENT me from doing what I want with my own (LEGAL) software? They don't have to condone, support, or even have an opinion on it, but they certainly don't have to take steps to kill it. It's ridiculous.

And for the record - my Hackintosh woops my MBP's ass. #1062hackintosh
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zeroprime
11/11/09

@The Lab: Clear as a foggy window. You're talking about
a non-negotiable contract between unequal parties. US courts have both upheld and shot down individual contracts of this sort in differing cases, but have not ruled on EULAs themselves. US courts tend to favor commercial organizations over individuals, though, so your appeal to authority may be right. #1062hackintosh
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not_a_virus.exe.vbs
11/11/09

@The Lab: Yes it is. But if you break it agents are not going to come knock down your door and arrest you. People keep making it seem if you break the EULA you are going to get assraped. I don't read the EULA at all and I don't care. I won't get caught. #1062hackintosh
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Nathan Obbards
11/11/09

@zeroprime: While I'm all for hackintoshing, the EULA argument is a tough one. Most companies have their EULAs readily available online for the end user to see, so when you purchase software to install, you cannot argue that you were unaware of what the EULA entailed as ignorance of the law is not an excuse. Since the EULA is freely available before purchase, it can be assumed that by purchasing software, you are implicitly agreeing to the EULA and then by installing it you are explicitly agreeing. It doesn't matter that there is no contractual negotiation so long as the EULA does not violate any federal or state laws. #1062hackintosh
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thePrototype
11/11/09

@not_a_virus.exe.vbs: My company just got fined millions of dollars for breaking EULAs, why don't you try and explain that to our legal department? #1062hackintosh
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AkkiRonin
11/11/09

@HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H.: You're just being inflammatory I guess but there is a bit of interesting information underneath the jab. Anytime you buy just the OS from Apple it is technically an upgrade. Original licenses only come via an installed version on one of their machines. That's why it's hard to explain why there's a $130 upgrade and a $30 upgrade for 10.6. #1062hackintosh
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not_a_virus.exe.vbs
11/11/09

@thePrototype: I am speaking about individuals, obviously. Someone who is an individual isn't going to get in trouble for breaking an EULA unless he is in idiot and broadcasts what he is doing out on the internet. #1062hackintosh
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not_a_virus.exe.vbs
11/11/09

@thePrototype: If you work in a company and they break the EULA the company is going to go after you like white on rice. #1062hackintosh
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thePrototype
11/11/09

@not_a_virus.exe.vbs: that may be the case, but that is the same is saying 'oh I'll only steal a hundred dollars, because they only really care if I steal a thousand'. #1062hackintosh
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not_a_virus.exe.vbs
11/11/09

@thePrototype: Maybe so. Like I said in my original post, I am not going to get in trouble fro breaking an EULA unless I am an idiot and go off and do something stupid. People should not be scared of getting in trouble for hackintoshing. #1062hackintosh
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thePrototype
11/11/09

@not_a_virus.exe.vbs: Just like you won't get a DUI as long as you stick to the backroads, and don't drive down main streets, right? #1062hackintosh
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not_a_virus.exe.vbs
11/11/09

@thePrototype: No. Being drunk and driving on your property won't get you a DUI. Breaking the EULA and doing it in your own home won't get you in trouble. Drinking and driving in the streets WILL get you in trouble, same way as breaking the EULA and letting every Tom, Dick and Jamal know what you are doing.

That analogy makes sense. #1062hackintosh
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not_a_virus.exe.vbs
11/11/09

@thePrototype: And i do know that not getting in trouble /= breaking the law. Yes it is wrong. But you won't get in trouble. it is a victim less crime like necrophilia. Or so I have been told. #1062hackintosh
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thePrototype
11/11/09

@not_a_virus.exe.vbs: I do know a person that passed out drunk in their car, in their driveway, and got a DUI... just sayin' #1062hackintosh
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not_a_virus.exe.vbs
11/11/09

@thePrototype: Probably wasn't California, was it? #1062hackintosh
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thePrototype
11/11/09

@not_a_virus.exe.vbs: it was Washington State... I also heard an old wives tale about someone passing out drunk in a vehicle that was on blocks and getting a ticket, not sure about that one though. #1062hackintosh
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newgalactic
11/08/09

In reply to Latest Snow Leopard Developer Build Breaks Hackintosh Support... Again
Honestly, is there any reason to go beyond OSX 10.5 with an Atom powered netbook? #apple
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Kaiser-Machead
11/07/09

In reply to Latest Snow Leopard Developer Build Breaks Hackintosh Support... Again
Technically, there is no mess, at least no real mess. This is only an issue for people who play/test with pre-release software updates.
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Poop Cooper
11/07/09

In reply to Latest Snow Leopard Developer Build Breaks Hackintosh Support... Again
My hope is that maybe, somewhere, deep inside the bowels of Apple, a team of rogue developers are creating a super-secret Snow Leopard install disc that you can use to dual-boot your PC legally, and for that reason they're trying to close the Atom support so they can sell it in a sanctioned version. #apple
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Kaiser-Machead
11/07/09

@Poop Cooper: That would be interesting... #apple
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TJ
11/07/09

In reply to Latest Snow Leopard Developer Build Breaks Hackintosh Support... Again
Speaking of merciless gods, what does it take for Giz to bequeath unto me a star? I'm unemployed and will remain so unless I have such an honor to put on my resume.

Pwitty pweeze??? :-( #apple
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Nathan Obbards
11/07/09

@TJ: First rule of star club is don't beg for stardom. When it happens, it happens, until then, enjoy Giz and try not to be a douche or troll (not saying you are, just that that helps in the path to stardom). That or steal OMG Ponies! account. #apple
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TJ
11/07/09

@Nathan Obbards: I was worried about that. I just got pushed back another year didn't I?

Ahh well, I love Giz too much to be bitter. I'll just go drink a bottle of Morgan and cry myself to sleep.

...and to think I was willing to shamefully prostitute myself for that star. #apple
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PotteryBarnClearanceSale
11/07/09

@TJ: What did you do before you lost your job?

edit for later: and then the chap went to bed. Sleep tight.
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Edited by PotteryBarnClearanceSale at 11/07/09 9:31 PM

TJ
11/09/09

@PotteryBarnClearanceSale: I was a sys admin for a small software house near where I live. #apple
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