The iPhone was designed for the Internet though. Let's see how the Web Standards Project's Acid3 test rates them:
Opera 9.63 Windows (my usual browser): 85/100
IE8: 20/100, with a massive error report dialog
original iPod Touch, FW 3.0 (7A341) Safari: 97/100
No, the Internet wasn't designed for a device that came along decades later, but at least Apple can make a browser that renders webpages correctly. #iphone
I would take this as a compliment to apple. Ballmer has given up comparing the iPhone to his shitty WinMo phones... He has now taken to comparing it to desktop class computers. #iphone
silly question. "Yet"? it never will. it's too small. unless humans start changing to be 18" tall, a larger footprint will be required just for ergonomics - even if an iPhone came out with a TB of storage and a quad core i7 processor and 4 gigs of RAM, it's just not as usable as a laptop is, and it never will be.
Wow. Those three sentences blew my mind. How can such a moron be so close to being in charge of such a large company?
1. Yes, the internet was designed for the PC, but I can't fit a PC in my pocket.
2. No, the internet as a whole was not designed for the iPhone, but iPhone optimised websites are everywhere now, for those who want them. Personally, I find browsing the normal internet on the iPhone fine, so I use UAFaker to get regular sites automatically.
3. The 75,000 apps are not there to "make the internet look decent on the iPhone". It already looks and works considerably better than on other phones. The apps vary from entertainment, productivity, media, travel... and so on. Only a portion are there to provide an alternative access route to a website, and what's wrong with that? For things like facebook and ebay it's easier to have an app that logs you in automatically when you open it.
If you people could get your heads out of Apple's ass for just a moment, you might see that he really is not slamming the iPhone, per say, but the dilemma with small screen devices. A large chunk of App store apps really are just specialized interfaces to websites. I think the point is what do you do next? How do you evolve a small screen device for a medium that begs for a bigger screen? Is it really apps or is there some way to extend the cloud to your hand. Who can say if MS will come up with something, but people on this site don't seem to get that Microsoft's vision is a bit wider than then just the next consumer device...
I guess all those iPhone-optimized websites don't count either, Steve.
The iPhone took something that was designed for the desktop and made it work on a small mobile device. And then the websites started altering code and creating mobile optimized pages.
I still can't believe Gates turned the reins over to this buffoon. #iphone
With WebKit(?), the iPhone was designed for the Internet. Obviously not the other way around. (Flash is unfortunately part of that Internet, but that's no skin off my back atm).
Also, the Internet wasn't originally made for IE (or any current browser or OS, really), and at the same time IE wasn't really made for the Internet either. Well, maybe the Internet as seen by MS as it still tries to push non-standards because of it's hold on the web. It's a good thing that won't last much longer.
I can't believe I'm trying to make sense of such a blatantly slanted and retarded statement.
@superberg: A lot of the Internet is designed for ie6 though and it seems ie8 has overtaken ie6 in terms of share this month. In general I think ie6, ie7/8, and firefox are the browsers most developers target. Chrome is kind of gaining ground though. #iphone
I've heard Ballmer spew at the mouth at length about the iPhone, but that's not going to change the fact that the internet is much easier to use on my iPhone than any WinMo phone I've ever used.
Maybe when WinMo7 comes out I'll change my tune, and I've tried giving the thing up, but it doesn't matter what they slap on top of it, Windows Mobile sucks.
Android is marginally better, but there are very few devices on which it runs to it's full potential.
@psychonaut2021: Secrets of the Pineal Gland: And the Steve in the back said "Everyone Attack!" as it turned into a Ballmer blitz, Ballmer blitz! #iphone
@Kaiser-Machead: Technically, in that example he's making the shirt bluer with every second he wears it. It's a socially awkward sort of chromatic symbiosis... #iphone
@Shamoononon: I shave my legs.: Whether his IQ is high or not, doesn't really matter. He knows how to make more money than me, and that's all that really matters.
I'd rather be average and rich than smart and broke. #iphone
I'd rather not be broke, but I'd rather be smart than average or below. At least the broke part can change. The average part, you take to the grave. #iphone
@Kaiser-Machead: My uncle is VERY smart, but he's back to living with my grandma because he doesn't have a job. No job, no money.
But it doesn't really matter if you bring your average or genius brain to the grave because, either way, it'll be just as good as Einstein's brain when that time comes. :P #iphone
10/22/09
Opera 9.63 Windows (my usual browser): 85/100
IE8: 20/100, with a massive error report dialog
original iPod Touch, FW 3.0 (7A341) Safari: 97/100
No, the Internet wasn't designed for a device that came along decades later, but at least Apple can make a browser that renders webpages correctly. #iphone
10/22/09
10/23/09
10/22/09
10/22/09
10/22/09
silly question. "Yet"? it never will. it's too small. unless humans start changing to be 18" tall, a larger footprint will be required just for ergonomics - even if an iPhone came out with a TB of storage and a quad core i7 processor and 4 gigs of RAM, it's just not as usable as a laptop is, and it never will be.
so... silly discussion. #iphone
10/22/09
10/22/09
1. Yes, the internet was designed for the PC, but I can't fit a PC in my pocket.
2. No, the internet as a whole was not designed for the iPhone, but iPhone optimised websites are everywhere now, for those who want them. Personally, I find browsing the normal internet on the iPhone fine, so I use UAFaker to get regular sites automatically.
3. The 75,000 apps are not there to "make the internet look decent on the iPhone". It already looks and works considerably better than on other phones. The apps vary from entertainment, productivity, media, travel... and so on. Only a portion are there to provide an alternative access route to a website, and what's wrong with that? For things like facebook and ebay it's easier to have an app that logs you in automatically when you open it.
10/22/09
10/22/09
10/22/09
10/21/09
The iPhone took something that was designed for the desktop and made it work on a small mobile device. And then the websites started altering code and creating mobile optimized pages.
I still can't believe Gates turned the reins over to this buffoon. #iphone
10/22/09
10/21/09
Also, the Internet wasn't originally made for IE (or any current browser or OS, really), and at the same time IE wasn't really made for the Internet either. Well, maybe the Internet as seen by MS as it still tries to push non-standards because of it's hold on the web. It's a good thing that won't last much longer.
I can't believe I'm trying to make sense of such a blatantly slanted and retarded statement.
10/21/09
10/21/09
10/21/09
10/21/09
10/22/09
10/21/09
10/21/09
10/21/09
10/21/09
10/21/09
Maybe when WinMo7 comes out I'll change my tune, and I've tried giving the thing up, but it doesn't matter what they slap on top of it, Windows Mobile sucks.
Android is marginally better, but there are very few devices on which it runs to it's full potential.
10/21/09
10/21/09
10/21/09
@Rejexted:
Oh yeah, he adapted alright. #iphone
10/21/09
@Kaiser-Machead: You betcha ;)
10/21/09
@Kaiser-Machead: Now compare that with this. I think we all know which company we'd want on our side in a dance off. #iphone
10/21/09
"This is a Ballmer blitz! YEAH! It's a Ballmer blitz!" - Psychonaut2021 #iphone
10/21/09
10/21/09
10/21/09
10/21/09
10/21/09
10/21/09
10/21/09
10/21/09
There are exceptions, such a celebrities and people born into money, but otherwise, for the most part, yes, they are smart. #iphone
10/21/09
I'd rather be average and rich than smart and broke. #iphone
10/22/09
I'd rather not be broke, but I'd rather be smart than average or below. At least the broke part can change. The average part, you take to the grave. #iphone
10/22/09
But it doesn't really matter if you bring your average or genius brain to the grave because, either way, it'll be just as good as Einstein's brain when that time comes. :P #iphone