If you buy a 360 on eBay, be sure to use PayPal. Then if the system is truly banned, you just have to file a claim with Paypal and they will definitely get your money back.
I know this because I sell stuff on eBay all day. #usedxbox360
Buying a used 360 is never a wise idea - that warranty may be needed. I've upgraded from my launch day units to HDMI units a few years ago, sold my launch units for about $100 a piece less than a new unit, and my warranty clock was reset.
Now, apparently, I'm the only person to never have a true RROD, and still warranty three units (power failure during firmware upgrade, lightning friend one completely, took out the ethernet on the other). I would be out a ton of money if MS's warranty was not as good as it is. #usedxbox360
Wait, did you just tell me to buy a new XBox because the failure rate "isn't that low"? That sounds like the opposite reason to buy something... Please clarify. #usedxbox360
@valkilmerisawful: I think the point is that since xboxes are failure-prone, if you buy one it is good to have a warranty on it (or to just skip it and go for something more stable) #usedxbox360
This is ridiculous. How do you tell your customers that you are screwed so easily? This is like saying, "We don't care about you. This system is banned, and it will stay that way."
FU MS. I will go with ps3. #xbox
@hcho3: How is this any different than any other nontransferable warentey?
How is this any different than buying a used car that turns out to be a lemon? It's not the responsibility of Honda to ensure the car still works, that's up to the reseller. #xbox
Despite the official "warranty is not transferable" policy, Microsoft still fixed the 360 I purchased used when it RROD'd. They'll make an exception for things that are their fault.
Things that are YOUR fault on the other hand... #xbox
buying anything used has always been a problem. Even in the old days, the Romans would demand a warranty on their x boxes....thus the saying "caveat emptor" #xbox
Check the comments on Major Nelson's site for a little more insight. Less-than-shady party means anyone you don't personally know.
Gamestop doesn't check if their consoles work, let alone whether they've been banned from Xbox Live, so any used console from Gamestop would run this risk.
But then again, I've never really supported Gamestop's used sales. Developers get the same money from pirated games as used games, so whats the difference? You're not supporting them in either case. #xbox
@Guard: "Developers get the same money from pirated games as used games, so whats the difference? You're not supporting them in either case."
Just go the whole distance and declare that libraries should be burned to the ground because authors only get one sale for an unlimited number of readers.
While you're at it, educate yourself on the First Sale Doctrine.
@Guard: Developers DO get paid for used game sales. Please learn some economics.
Knowing that you have the option to take a game back to Gamestop (or elsewhere) and get some money for a trade-in adds value and increases the chance of the original purchase. Studies show a significant amount of new games sales at places like Gamestop come back as a trade-in a few weeks later and that person buys the next new release. You think all those people buying the new release would buy as many games without being able to trade-in those they didn't really want to hold on to? #xbox
@newgalactic: They did that with the first-gen XBox. Need to unban your console? Swap the EEPROM and hard drive from another console. (the hard drive unlock key is in the 'PROM so you have to swap the drive with it, too. #xbox
My unmodded 360 is still hardware banned. I doubt microsoft will have any amnesty because it was opened to install better cooling for RROD prevention. Meh. #xbox
@4nonymo: Its not that they detected me opening it. Its that they banned it for no reason, but it was opened already so i cant take it back. Its time to consider retail fraud. Modern Warfare 2 is coming in 5 days, #xbox
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If they say it isn't and it turns out it is then you can take it to eBay and their protection scheme can probably sort it out. #usedxbox360
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I know this because I sell stuff on eBay all day. #usedxbox360
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Now, apparently, I'm the only person to never have a true RROD, and still warranty three units (power failure during firmware upgrade, lightning friend one completely, took out the ethernet on the other). I would be out a ton of money if MS's warranty was not as good as it is. #usedxbox360
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FU MS. I will go with ps3. #xbox
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How is this any different than buying a used car that turns out to be a lemon? It's not the responsibility of Honda to ensure the car still works, that's up to the reseller. #xbox
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Things that are YOUR fault on the other hand... #xbox
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(and yes, I know the media center capabilities & online community of the 360 pick the PS3's butt) #xbox
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Gamestop doesn't check if their consoles work, let alone whether they've been banned from Xbox Live, so any used console from Gamestop would run this risk.
But then again, I've never really supported Gamestop's used sales. Developers get the same money from pirated games as used games, so whats the difference? You're not supporting them in either case. #xbox
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Just go the whole distance and declare that libraries should be burned to the ground because authors only get one sale for an unlimited number of readers.
While you're at it, educate yourself on the First Sale Doctrine.
[en.wikipedia.org] #xbox
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Knowing that you have the option to take a game back to Gamestop (or elsewhere) and get some money for a trade-in adds value and increases the chance of the original purchase. Studies show a significant amount of new games sales at places like Gamestop come back as a trade-in a few weeks later and that person buys the next new release. You think all those people buying the new release would buy as many games without being able to trade-in those they didn't really want to hold on to? #xbox
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Not that there's a huge market for re-enabled xbox 360's. And it would probably take forever. But it would be kinda cool. #xbox
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@HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H.: Probably? No. There is no intrusion switch in the 360. lol @ that shit
@chanaz: There's always a reason. #xbox