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@MeesterBell: Apparently you haven't shopped for a quality bike lately. The company I work for imports and distributes fine Italian bicycles. We currently offer a model retailing at over $14,499, which can be upgraded to hit nearly $20k.
@nutbastard: While many of them might be d-bags, there are a few that actually have legitimate reasons for buying them. Some people are collectors, and this particular bike is certainly collectible (about 10 were brought into the US). Some are captains of industry and have to have something befitting of their status, and are capable of riding in a capacity to boot.
You're right though, it's not 200x better, but neither is a Ferrari vs an Accord, or a high-end gaming PC vs a cheap Dell. People tend not to 'need' these things, but we're a consumer society and without people buying $10,000 bicycles, I'd probably be waiting tables along with a number of my industry colleagues and entrepreneurs who've started bike shops in the last 5 years...
@nexusheli: That's nice... but I bought a "quality" bicycle in that I have yet to meet someone with an equal or better one for $1500.
I had $8000, but I used it to buy a brand new Kawasaki Ninja 500R, plates, insurance, and a full suit of riding gear.
I can well understand paying more for a well made bike, but I'm not paying over $3000 for a bicycle unless I have corporate sponsors for racing bikes professionally...
@fuchikoma: There's indeed a threshold for sanity when it comes to bicycles. Really for me, even working in the industry and having access to these bikes at a reduced price, I still find it hard to justify spending more than just a couple grand on one. And the one I did manage to invest nearly $2500 into was custom made by hand to my measurements, painted by hand, and has a dedication on it to me.
I understand a motorcycle is a bit more practical, but not as healthy or green. But it's just like all of us as gadget lovers, many of these things are impractical, or there are more practical ways of doing things yet we have a desire, need, want or love for these things.
I didn't need a Nikon D90, a D40, or even a Canon G10 or similar would have done just fine, but I was no less grateful when I received that D90 as a 30th b-day present...
@nexusheli: I can totally understand that, and I'm not saying you should just get a motorbike instead - just that it becomes hard to justify that much on a bicycle when you could get so much for the same money (but wow, if I could get a good custom bike for $2500 I would have for sure!) It's like the argument of "why buy a $250,000 car when you could have... a house?" I don't know how many you sell in the $8-9k range, but I kind of agree with MeesterBell's sentiment that for that much it may as well be a museum piece, unless the frame lasts through a century of hard offroad use, and no parts ever require maintenance.
The biggest issue for me is that people will steal a $500 bike if they can - even if the value of an $8000 one (or a $14,500 one!) isn't obvious by looking at it, you'd pretty much have to carry it around with you anywhere you stopped to make sure you didn't lose something as valuable as a motor vehicle. Where I live there are often no viable places to anchor the frame to anything, so you kind of have to lock the wheel and frame together and hope no one notices it and walks off with it - or walk several blocks from where you parked it.
So I'd never spend that much on a bike myself - but like your cameras, if I just happened to end up with one, you bet I'd enjoy it!
@hacku: You can get an entry-level sportbike that will do 200kph brand new for that too. Actually, a few grand less, and even a grand or two less than that in the USA.
...but of course you buy a bicycle because you want a bicycle... but if I had one that expensive I'd have to disassemble it and stuff it into a hard case then carry it with me everywhere I went, because leaving it outside would be insane.
@EBone: Well, considering it's a real world problem, I don't even know how to reply to your ignorance, except to tell you to go to San Francisco in the summer time, when they used to have a cooling wind coming down from the mountains.
You know we can't get energy for free, right? Hydroelectric power reduces water flow and causes the destruction of wildlife both upstream and downstream. Solar power has local heating problems that CANNOT be fixed, and massive wind farms destroy the natural heat transfer created by wind patterns. #gizmodoremainders
@exoren22: You really believe that the turbine blades take the wind "away"? That the wind doesn't turn the blades and keep on blowing past, over, and around the blades?
@EBone: I think he's actually right, but he's blowing it way out of proportion. It's more on the same scale of dumping a bottle of filtered water into a lake to change the pH. #gizmodoremainders
@EBone: exoren22 is right though I don't know to what degree. Conservation of energy means there is no free ride and no perpetual motion machines. Just like a hydroelectric dam can slow a river to a trickle, wind farms use the wind to do work, thus depleting some of the kinetic energy in that wind. But once again, I have no idea of the total energy of the wind or how much energy is extracted so I could not testify to the effect.
@runamok1001: Do yourself a favor and look at an isobar map of the United States. They measure pressure gradients. Wind is generated when air moves from high pressure areas to low pressure areas.
Isobar front lines are hundreds to thousands of miles long. Wind projects don't even show up on the scale we're talking about here. It would be the equivalent of trying to stop the Mississippi River with a 2x4. #gizmodoremainders
Grandpa bikes excluded (upright riding), a bike seat needs only provide support to the bony part of your bottom while minimizing interference and chaffing with your thighs. This is why racing seats look so terrible, but are actually quite comfortable. This seat seems to give you a choice of supporting your weight on your anus or testicles. #gizmodoremainders
@92BuickLeSabre: Mmm... Gotta love those post-windfarm mornings, with the surreal pink mist of pigeon guts over Manhattan, and little feet and feathers falling to the streets below... #gizmodoremainders
@92BuickLeSabre: a wind turbine of the vertical axis variety, about the size of a water tower, would probably do very well at both generating electricity and getting rid of pesky pigeons. And properly designed it could also have a receptacle for the remains so that they could be put to good use. Then we'd have cheap electricity and we wouldn't have to make soylent green out of people anymore.
@The Lab: yeah, the first pic looks like it makes some sense, but then you realize there's almost no leg extension (which means no power). Cool look though. #gizmodoremainders
My biking is only recreational and to campus, but I totally want one (sigh). Have you tried this, Joanna? Thoughts? Easy to install, use, mostly stable, etc.?
I've been using the 305 for couple of years now. Absolutely awesome training tool, plus you can export your rides to google earth for some cool oh yes I did go there images!
I had a waterproof seal break on one and Garmin fast tracked the replacement so I'd have it just in time for an event.
you know, the surfboard could have at least bought the bike dinner first. I'm not saying there needs to be compensation involved it's just... well the bike is just old-fashioned that way, OKAY?
11/18/09
riiight, putting around on a $9k bike in an urban area sounds like a really great idea...
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And no, it has no motor.
11/18/09
i can't believe there are d-bags out there spending that much money on a friggin bicycle.
is it better than my $80 bicycle? i have no doubt. but unless it's 200 times better, why pay 200 times more?
11/18/09
You're right though, it's not 200x better, but neither is a Ferrari vs an Accord, or a high-end gaming PC vs a cheap Dell. People tend not to 'need' these things, but we're a consumer society and without people buying $10,000 bicycles, I'd probably be waiting tables along with a number of my industry colleagues and entrepreneurs who've started bike shops in the last 5 years...
11/19/09
I had $8000, but I used it to buy a brand new Kawasaki Ninja 500R, plates, insurance, and a full suit of riding gear.
I can well understand paying more for a well made bike, but I'm not paying over $3000 for a bicycle unless I have corporate sponsors for racing bikes professionally...
11/20/09
I understand a motorcycle is a bit more practical, but not as healthy or green. But it's just like all of us as gadget lovers, many of these things are impractical, or there are more practical ways of doing things yet we have a desire, need, want or love for these things.
I didn't need a Nikon D90, a D40, or even a Canon G10 or similar would have done just fine, but I was no less grateful when I received that D90 as a 30th b-day present...
11/20/09
The biggest issue for me is that people will steal a $500 bike if they can - even if the value of an $8000 one (or a $14,500 one!) isn't obvious by looking at it, you'd pretty much have to carry it around with you anywhere you stopped to make sure you didn't lose something as valuable as a motor vehicle. Where I live there are often no viable places to anchor the frame to anything, so you kind of have to lock the wheel and frame together and hope no one notices it and walks off with it - or walk several blocks from where you parked it.
So I'd never spend that much on a bike myself - but like your cameras, if I just happened to end up with one, you bet I'd enjoy it!
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...but of course you buy a bicycle because you want a bicycle... but if I had one that expensive I'd have to disassemble it and stuff it into a hard case then carry it with me everywhere I went, because leaving it outside would be insane.
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You know we can't get energy for free, right? Hydroelectric power reduces water flow and causes the destruction of wildlife both upstream and downstream. Solar power has local heating problems that CANNOT be fixed, and massive wind farms destroy the natural heat transfer created by wind patterns. #gizmodoremainders
11/03/09
I have no words. #gizmodoremainders
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Isobar front lines are hundreds to thousands of miles long. Wind projects don't even show up on the scale we're talking about here. It would be the equivalent of trying to stop the Mississippi River with a 2x4. #gizmodoremainders
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Here's the google results for that.
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PS I'm trademarking the term "squabchoppers" #gizmodoremainders
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@Toastie: Oh no, it's on a mission to grind that man's genitals into a fine powder. #gizmodoremainders
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I had a waterproof seal break on one and Garmin fast tracked the replacement so I'd have it just in time for an event.
08/14/09