@KingKash: The misconception is that this is a bad thing when in fact it allows you to download faster.
If you max out your upload (on normal dsl/cable) your download speeds suffer. Most people don't know enough about their connection to cap the upload speeds correctly.
This feature is about doing the work for you. Anyone that uses their connection for anything time sensitive knows that if you are downloading a torrent you have to throttle it or else your other applications won't work. #utorrent20betatorrentudp
this really makes no sense to me. Maybe I'm missing something but a client that slows itself down when there's congestion is different from a client being slowed by congestion how? #utorrent20betatorrentudp
I've been using the beta, it works great. This makes sense: your upload speed needs to be throttled to 5-10kbps less than your upload ceiling (this allows for some extra traffic like browsing) or everything just chokes; including the download side because it needs the uploaded acks. You can get a 2-10x dl speed increase by doing this depending on just how bad things are.
For years I've done this manually by measuring my upload speed occasionally and using iptables to limit uploads. But hard numbers assume some things about things upstream that you can't guarantee hour to hour. uTorrent 2.0 detects it and throttles back so things don't pile up.
The bottom line is it's better to ease off slightly and keep all your packets than it is to have someone else deciding which of your packets to randomly drop. #utorrent20betatorrentudp
Give an inch they will take a mile. You know what would work way better or alongside this? Charge 5 bucks a month and give it to the ISP's to leave torrent users alone. Bribery I say, is worth billions. I'd pay 5 bucks to have clear torrent downloading channels through my ISP #utorrent20betatorrentudp
@Thee Sea: I'm not sure what you mean, you people. And I neither admit nor deny any claims regarding the usage of bittorrent clients.
Actually yes, I use Transmission, and I have it set to throttle uploads at 50 KB/s and uploads at 100 KB/s during the time that I want to use my network for other stuff. Although even at that speed the internet is pretty sluggish. I had 10 megabit internet through Charter, but it wasn't that much of a step up, so I went back down to 5 megabit. My ping times in this apartment are just abysmal no matter what I try. Even without torrents up, it feels sluggish compared to my last place. I let Transmission bust it's balls at night when I'm sleeping, and during the day when I'm working, but in the evening, I use my network for watching stuff I've downloaded wireless from my externals, so I usually have to keep everything pegged like I mentioned above or else vlc gets choppy. #utorrent20betatorrentudp
@djdare: What I'm trying to say is that this is an auto throttle to make sure you aren't completely raping your own connection by instantly jumping to the highest up/down speeds your ISP provides and instead offers a slight cap so you can do things like browse the internet and play games without it feeling like dialup all over again. #utorrent20betatorrentudp
Yes, I pirate movies. But even if I couldn't I would just wait until it was on DVD/Blu-Ray and rent it. It isn't so much that I can watch the movie on my time (which IS nice) it is the fact that they are charging way too much. Plus, why don't they sell beer in theaters?!
I don't want to sit through 30 minutes of commercials and other crap when I paid my $10. The irony: paying to watch commercials and the movie turns out to be crap.
Support your local 3rd Run theater! But remember, if there's no 1st Run theater, there's no 3rd Run Theater.
As long as people want to go on dates or just get the hell out of the house I think there will be places for them to escape. And nothing looks as good as projected film.
Now, not to discourage piracy at all, but in defense of theaters I'll point out that $9.50 of that $10 goes straight to the movie studio in terms of rental of the film itself. The theaters aren't making much money on the tickets at all, which is why your popcorn is $6 for .25 cents of corn and your flavored corn syrup is another $6 for .10 cents of components.
This is why grubby art-house theaters show grubby art-house films (lower rental fees for those obscure documentaries and subtitles Euro-pr0n) and why the dollar theaters get everything weeks or months after initial release, when the studios can no longer charge the exorbitant rental fees from opening week...
A Nice alternative are theaters like the Alamo Drafthouse we have here in Austin. that has a full menu of burgers,, pizza, beer, ice cream, etc. and THEY serve YOU, without totally disrupting the film. it's a nice model a lot more theaters should look into, and then you actually feel ok paying 8 bucks for food, cause you get a pretty decent burger. or chips and queso,, or the illustrious Five dollar milkshake that is worth every penny.
The cinema is dying for a reason. Nowadays I don't want to have to interact with other people to enjoy a good film. It's such a chore tolerating other people, their laughing and crying children, their constant emoting along to the movie.
Forget that. Everyone has a God-given right to their own home theater system and free entertainment content. It's the only way we'll ever be free of each other once and for all.
I'm only 27 and I remember when movies were $3. I just paid $15 the other night. Plus another $15 for food. This is the reason people are downloading. No ones willing to see B list movies for current prices.
Hey, you want to save your cinema? How about you stop charging $12 for a soda and popcorn? I can understand the $10 admission, that's fine... I'm prepared to drop the money to actually see the movie. Putting a tremendous tax on the snack I prefer to enjoy during the film is where I draw the line. This is why torrents exist, and will continue to thrive in the world. This is one of the biggest rip-offs in modern history, and they refuse to change.
@tande04: Why should you have to sneak it in? His point is valid in that regard because, at least with torrents, you can enjoy your own food for reasonable prices.
The theaters should do either
1) lower their concession prices or
2) let us bring our own food (food that doesn't smell preferably) without having to feel like thieves.
@Woozle Wozzle: As an owner of a theater, I'd like to weigh in on the subject.
I understand that some theaters charge $10+ for movies. The movie companies in return get a good portion of that back. Most theaters don't make gobs of cash on the ticket sales. We're not a franchise theater and in a town of roughly 15,000 people. We happen to offer movies for $5 so our profit margin is even less.
The concessions are obviously the moneymaker for theaters. The problem is that expenses are pretty high considering the number of people working and rising energy costs. That coupled by the fact that you really only sell concessions for a small fraction of the time you're open. It'd be nice to offer a cheaper price, but economically it doesn't make sense considering you're limited to the number of people you can serve on a daily basis.
@rock this fraggle!: Maybe if your prices weren't so fucking ludicrous, more people would actually go to theaters and more people wouldn't sneak stuff in. Just a thought.
@zenneth: Ticket price pays for the cost the movie theater incurs from renting the reels from the film company. The concession prices are the only thing that bring in revenue for the theater.
But I'm still with tande, I buy Skittles or whatever at the cornerstore first and sometimes a drink.
So if concession sales are the only thing that bring profits to a movie theater, why don't they lower the prices to entice more people to buy their candy and drinks there instead of the drugstore a block away? Settling for a smaller profit per sale, yet increasing actual sales numbers would turn better profits for the theaters in the long run. They're just greedy.
@tande04: Exactly, people who complain about the prices of food are morons. Bring your own shit in. If not pay the prices and deal with it. Pirated movies has nothing to do with food prices. I don't go to a theater to eat food. I go to watch movies, food comes 2nd.
@Heitz: Really. Were morons? Food prices are the only reason I don't go to theaters anymore. And I can get a similar movie experience at home with my flatscreen TV, surround sound and and a huge bowl of fresh popcorn. Movie theaters need to make themselves more attractive, do something, or they will eventually be extinct.
Now when I do see movies in theatre there at my local dollar theatre. It's a single theater where a large popcorn is a a $1.50 and a pop is $.50. The line is always MUCH longer than any regular theater. Hmm....
I know that this is the only money maker that theaters have. I also know a large popcorn shouldn't cost $8.00. It's driving people away from movies theaters and in some cases, leading people to pirating.
@G-Ram: Either of you should take an economics class. A time value trade off keeps high concession prices more viable in the long run. I'm sure that you thought this out way better than the financial executives at AMC and Loews, though.
@tzaken: I'm not saying it would help them make money, but it would stimulate more sales. And I'm also not saying they should cut them drastically, but even a marginal drop (say 50¢) on everything would probably increase sales more than it would do harm for the long term.
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this is like azureus, i mean vuze.... all over again, except not as bad (yet!) #utorrent20betatorrentudp
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If you max out your upload (on normal dsl/cable) your download speeds suffer. Most people don't know enough about their connection to cap the upload speeds correctly.
This feature is about doing the work for you. Anyone that uses their connection for anything time sensitive knows that if you are downloading a torrent you have to throttle it or else your other applications won't work. #utorrent20betatorrentudp
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For years I've done this manually by measuring my upload speed occasionally and using iptables to limit uploads. But hard numbers assume some things about things upstream that you can't guarantee hour to hour. uTorrent 2.0 detects it and throttles back so things don't pile up.
The bottom line is it's better to ease off slightly and keep all your packets than it is to have someone else deciding which of your packets to randomly drop. #utorrent20betatorrentudp
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Most people don't realize that a fully saturated outbound results in a massive ding in your inbound, not to mention some serious latency.
It's more for the user, not the ISP. #utorrent20betatorrentudp
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Actually yes, I use Transmission, and I have it set to throttle uploads at 50 KB/s and uploads at 100 KB/s during the time that I want to use my network for other stuff. Although even at that speed the internet is pretty sluggish. I had 10 megabit internet through Charter, but it wasn't that much of a step up, so I went back down to 5 megabit. My ping times in this apartment are just abysmal no matter what I try. Even without torrents up, it feels sluggish compared to my last place. I let Transmission bust it's balls at night when I'm sleeping, and during the day when I'm working, but in the evening, I use my network for watching stuff I've downloaded wireless from my externals, so I usually have to keep everything pegged like I mentioned above or else vlc gets choppy. #utorrent20betatorrentudp
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As long as people want to go on dates or just get the hell out of the house I think there will be places for them to escape. And nothing looks as good as projected film.
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This is why grubby art-house theaters show grubby art-house films (lower rental fees for those obscure documentaries and subtitles Euro-pr0n) and why the dollar theaters get everything weeks or months after initial release, when the studios can no longer charge the exorbitant rental fees from opening week...
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Forget that. Everyone has a God-given right to their own home theater system and free entertainment content. It's the only way we'll ever be free of each other once and for all.
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You know what we did before the internet?
Snuck our own snacks in. Don't want to pay $12 for a coke? Buy a $2 coke and put it in your pocket.
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The theaters should do either
1) lower their concession prices or
2) let us bring our own food (food that doesn't smell preferably) without having to feel like thieves.
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I understand that some theaters charge $10+ for movies. The movie companies in return get a good portion of that back. Most theaters don't make gobs of cash on the ticket sales. We're not a franchise theater and in a town of roughly 15,000 people. We happen to offer movies for $5 so our profit margin is even less.
The concessions are obviously the moneymaker for theaters. The problem is that expenses are pretty high considering the number of people working and rising energy costs. That coupled by the fact that you really only sell concessions for a small fraction of the time you're open. It'd be nice to offer a cheaper price, but economically it doesn't make sense considering you're limited to the number of people you can serve on a daily basis.
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But I'm still with tande, I buy Skittles or whatever at the cornerstore first and sometimes a drink.
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So if concession sales are the only thing that bring profits to a movie theater, why don't they lower the prices to entice more people to buy their candy and drinks there instead of the drugstore a block away? Settling for a smaller profit per sale, yet increasing actual sales numbers would turn better profits for the theaters in the long run. They're just greedy.
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Now when I do see movies in theatre there at my local dollar theatre. It's a single theater where a large popcorn is a a $1.50 and a pop is $.50. The line is always MUCH longer than any regular theater. Hmm....
I know that this is the only money maker that theaters have. I also know a large popcorn shouldn't cost $8.00. It's driving people away from movies theaters and in some cases, leading people to pirating.
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