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    12/10/09

    In reply to Amazon Disc+ on Demand: Buy a DVD or Blu-ray Movie, Stream It Instantly
    That's not just a cool idea, it's how it should be. Regardless of DRM or streaming quality, it's a fantastic bonus to be able to watch instantly while waiting for your physical media. Amazon's video quality has been great for me. I purchased Batman Begins from Amazon Unbox and was happy to find that I could put it on all my computers, and I could play it through my Roku as well.

    They also provided a "portable" version of the movie (as an additional free download), but unfortunately it has "PlaysForSure" restrictions, meaning it won't play on my G1 (at any given time I have two or three movies, or several TV episodes to watch on my G1 during flights). If they can fix that, or better yet, offer an Amazon Unbox app for Android, like the Amazon Store and MP3 apps, I'd be ecstatic.
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    Image of drstein drstein
    12/10/09

    @met2art: It shows up on the Roku? Thank you for posting that. That is exactly what I was wondering, since I have a Roku. :)
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    12/10/09

    @drstein: No problem! Go to your Amazon menu on your Roku and follow the prompts to add your Amazon account. Once you have, any movies you've purchased via Unbox should appear. I was pleasantly surprised at how easy it was, and also how smooth and sharp the playback was.

    I don't know if these "bonus" digital versions will be added to Unbox (or Roku) but it would be great if they were. I'd definitely start buying all my DVDs via Amazon if that is the case.
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    12/10/09

    In reply to Amazon Disc+ on Demand: Buy a DVD or Blu-ray Movie, Stream It Instantly
    I wonder if Amazon still allows you to cancel orders before they are shipped for a full refund. If that's the case, you can order a movie, watch it instantly, then cancel the order and get a refund.
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    12/10/09

    @PurpleMonkeyDishwasher:: The T&C on Amazon's web site say if you return or cancel the DVD purchase they will bill your credit card for a VOD purchase of the movie, so no free lunch :-(
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    12/10/09

    @PurpleMonkeyDishwasher:: If they were any kind of smart (and they probably are), there'd be maybe a two or three dollar fee for cancelling an order (especially the running time of the movie after you placed it). Which would kind of suck for someone who uses the 1-click shopping and accidentally ordered Beowulf in 3D (the precise reason I don't use 1-click ordering).

    Or they may (shockingly) take the loss that some (but not all) folks will game system and accept the rest of their income because implementing counter-consumer measures would harm legitimate customers in the process and that's just bad PR.

    .....Yeah, ain't-a gonna happen.
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    12/10/09

    @PurpleMonkeyDishwasher:: I don't agree with the spirit of the method, but it is an important consideration. I would hope that they'd amend a rental charge to the order to account for the streamed media, or at the very least, revoke the license to stream it.
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    12/10/09

    @todgettys:
    I'd been wondering something similar (but not enough to actually check on it), and I have to say that this actually makes sense. I mean, if you look at it from the other side, it's effectively a means by which you can rent a movie with the option to upgrade to physical media. If you watch the download and like it, you get billed for the DVD (which then ships). If you hate it, cancel the order and all you've done is rented it to watch once.
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    12/10/09

    In reply to Amazon Disc+ on Demand: Buy a DVD or Blu-ray Movie, Stream It Instantly
    It would make a lot of sense to people who want to be able to access their DVD collection remotely - if they travel a lot, have a weekend home, etc. I don't purchase a lot of DVDs, but with this I might actually do it more.
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    12/10/09

    In reply to Amazon Disc+ on Demand: Buy a DVD or Blu-ray Movie, Stream It Instantly
    Wait...so, if I have a computer with an HD graphics card capable of full 1080p but DON'T own a bluray player, I could buy a bluray movie and be able to actually watch it in 1080p via streaming?
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    12/10/09

    @whiteflea: "What is the quality of the Amazon Video On Demand version?
    Disc+ On Demand includes the Amazon Video On Demand standard definition version. The video quality we deliver will depend on your internet connection. We'll automatically detect your connection speed and send you the highest quality stream your connection can support. The steam quality will be displayed on the video player."

    Looks like no, unfortunately. :(
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    12/10/09

    @whiteflea: I don't think any streaming service in US right now is capable of matching the quality of a bluray movie. Even if they stream 1080p, it'll be compressed like hell.
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    Image of Purple Dave Purple Dave
    12/10/09

    @eg3:
    Most HD downloads can't even match the bitrate of a standard DVD. So no, nowhere close to the resolution offered by physical HD media.
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    12/05/09

    In reply to Terminator Salvation Blu-ray Director's Liveblog Tonight
    He needs to do his best Tennant Dr. Who and simply keep repeating: "I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm sorry."
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    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    12/05/09

    In reply to Terminator Salvation Blu-ray Director's Liveblog Tonight
    What the hell can McG possibly say to go along with this movie?

    McG: Holy shit dude. I totally forgot I put this scene in. Fucking awesome

    RAlicea: Hey why did you make the control room look like that?

    McG: Who gives a fuck? I'm the one raking in dough on this shit

    McG signed off
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    Image of yantelope yantelope
    12/02/09

    In reply to Dual-Sided Blu-ray/DVD Discs: What the Hell Took So Long?
    The simple quick reason why they didn't put them both together is because people don't want to spend $20 on DVDs anymore and Blu-ray was supposed to allow studios to sell movies for $20-30 again. If they make it a combo movie to dupe would-be DVD buyers they would either need to keep the price in line with Blu-ray or customers will probably be mad that they can't just buy a DVD without the Blu-ray side. The whole point of selling a movie on Blu-ray (to the studio) is the added profit over DVD.
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    Image of Slinkytech Slinkytech
    12/01/09

    In reply to Dual-Sided Blu-ray/DVD Discs: What the Hell Took So Long?
    Because they are greedy and would rather exploit their customers than to make then happy.
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    Image of dagamer34 dagamer34
    12/01/09

    In reply to Dual-Sided Blu-ray/DVD Discs: What the Hell Took So Long?
    I'd rather not, since that means that people wonder which side the DVD version is on, as I doubt it will be standardized (is the label correspond to the side you're reading or the side that should be facing up?)

    Instead, they need to have Blu-ray/DVD content on the same side at different layers. That's more worthwhile.
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    12/01/09

    In reply to Dual-Sided Blu-ray/DVD Discs: What the Hell Took So Long?
    I'm happy they are finally doing this and all, but it seems obvious that doing it right away would have made less impetus for people to buy Bluray players at the outset. It makes sense to me for them to wait like they did, allowing three years of people buying overly expensive players. Now that the price is coming down, it makes less sense.

    Anyway, I myself am waiting until GOOD Bluray players get into the $80-100 range before buying one, but I might go ahead and in the near future pick up some must-haves in this format if I see a deal. I ALMOST bought the new Star Trek on Bluray when I was in Best Buy on Black Friday just so that I would have it when I finally broke down (my wife) and got a player.
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    Image of Purple Dave Purple Dave
    12/01/09

    In reply to Dual-Sided Blu-ray/DVD Discs: What the Hell Took So Long?
    Why? Because Sony wanted to corner the entire market, and doing dual-format releases means sharing the royalties with the DVD format. They thought that Blu-Ray + PS3 = guaranteed win across the board, and they're very stubborn about admitting when they're wrong. Remember, this is the company that held off so long on giving up the Walkman that Apple had already _won_ the digital music player market before they even got started. And this is the same company that was so convinced that flatpanel TVs would never take off that by the time they changed their mind they needed to ask rival company Samsung to help them get their own flatpanel TV line off the ground.
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    Image of mistergalarza mistergalarza
    12/01/09

    @Purple Dave: Sony? You mean only one of the many companies in the BDA has this type of control over all others? No.
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    Image of Purple Dave Purple Dave
    12/01/09

    @mistergalarza:
    They are one of the nine founding companies and they are clearly the public face of the BDA, in part due to how closely Blu-Ray and the PS3 have been associated with each other, and in part due to the fact that Sony is the only member of the BDA that has made any attempt to publicly associate themselves with the format. If they're not in charge, I'd still suspect that they are treated as a king among equals. After all, even with how poorly the PS3 has performed, it was probably one of the most significant driving forces behind Blu-Ray's "defeat" of HD-DVD, what with how all PS3 consoles were bundled in with standalone Blu-Ray players when citing how many more people had adopted the format over HD-DVD.
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    Image of Voyou_Charmant Voyou_Charmant
    12/01/09

    In reply to Dual-Sided Blu-ray/DVD Discs: What the Hell Took So Long?
    Gizmodo was against it before it was for it.
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    Image of Nick Nick
    12/01/09

    @Voyou_Charmant: OpEd is gonna differ per Ed.
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    Image of somekindarobit somekindarobit
    12/01/09

    @Voyou_Charmant: It's just like the new Blu-Ray.

    Gizmodo is dual sided!
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    Image of Nick Nick
    12/01/09

    In reply to Dual-Sided Blu-ray/DVD Discs: What the Hell Took So Long?
    now what would truly be amazing here is a player with dual lasers. then you could put the video on one side and encode the audio on the other.

    Dear Patent Office:
    see comment above.

    - Nick
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    Image of winshape winshape
    12/01/09

    @Nick: That is similar to my idea of a multi-LASER player. You add the DVD LASER, BR LASER, and HD LASER about 60 degrees apart. Whichever disc is inserted, the corresponding LASER is activated.

    Boom. A true multi-media player.
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    12/01/09

    @winshape: well, you don't need three lasers. if anything -- two.
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    Image of cbstryker cbstryker
    12/01/09

    @Nick: That would be completely pointless.

    For one, to any hardware today, data is data, there is no "video" or "audio", just data. The data rate of current lasers (players) is well above that of both audio and video streams on any blu-ray disc today.

    Additionally, separating the audio and video streams like that would only lead to further complicate the technical issue of keeping them in sync.
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    12/01/09

    @cbstryker: oh, stryker. do you know how many gadgets and gizmos are around today that at some point were "completely pointless?" the double AA battery, for example. Jesus and the Apostles had no use for it, but now it's essential to everyday life. c'mon man. bring your A game.
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    12/02/09

    @Nick: So you're saying more lasers is a bad thing? Blasphemy!!!
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    12/01/09

    In reply to Dual-Sided Blu-ray/DVD Discs: What the Hell Took So Long?
    I keep praying that one day soon we can stream in quality approaching that of Blu-ray. Something tells me we're still years away from that, though.
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    Image of OCEntertainment OCEntertainment
    12/01/09

    @jayhawk11 is not a fan of smallpox.: Assuming no other bottlenecks (like server speeds), DVD quality video transfers at a rate of roughly 8-10 Mbps. Blu-ray video tops off at around 40. While technically, yes, the capability exists in some places in America (and I'm ignorantly assuming you're in America) to get a real-life 40Mbps downstream connection, it's far from the norm, even among the readership here, much less the average consumer.

    Add to that the average consumer not caring as much about every pixel as we techies do, and the even lower standards folks have for streaming video, then yeah. The motivation, the resources, and the tech needed for Netflix to start streaming Blu-rays to your living room is still a few years off at least.
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    Image of uchendunwachukwu uchendunwachukwu
    12/01/09

    @jayhawk11 is not a fan of smallpox.: Vudu HDX comes close enough to Blu-ray that the vast majority of consumers will not be able to tell them apart in normal viewing conditions. Zune Video 1080p streaming on Xbox Live is also competitive with Blu-ray.
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    12/01/09

    @uchendunwachukwu: I know about Vudu. I'm more concerned about lossless audio. I'm an audio nerd, so that's a bigger deal to me. As far as video quality, yeah Zune Marketplace and Netflix HD is pretty solid.

    Still, at this point OCEntertainment is hitting the nail on the head. Nothing is going to beat Blu-ray's quality because we simply can't sustain it, both on the server backends and the average consumer's connection speed.
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    12/01/09

    @jayhawk11 is not a fan of smallpox.: The trouble with lossless audio is very few people have the equipment and acoustics, much less the ears to appreciate it.
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    12/01/09

    In reply to Oh Gee, Blu-ray and DVD Flipper Discs Seems Like Fantabulous Idea
    I have some old Warner DVDs that have widescreen on one side, and 4:3 on the other. I thought DVD/Blu-Ray hybrids had been proposed a dozen times since Blu-Ray came out anyway? Sounds like a fine idea to me if it won't drive the price up. Now I have Blu-Rays that I can't lend to some people because they want to see the movies but only have a DVD player.

    Double-sided laserdiscs were sometimes done as basically two discs glued together, and as temperature and humidity changed, they would flex, and separate, corrupting the information on them. A CD sized disc should be much more robust though, and better made in the first place.
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    12/02/09

    @fuchikoma: There are two competing interests here, the people who want to charge you for ondemand like netflix, apple, etc... and then the cable/phone companies that have to foot the data bill.

    We are already seeing data caps, and more are coming before they go away. If the datacaps become the standard, then the on demand dream will be just a dream.

    I know I don't want to pay twice to watch everything, once for the content, once for the cap overages.
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    12/02/09

    @Alluvian: This is a story about DVD/BD hybrids, so there is no data cap, on-demand video, or data bill to worry about unless you mean a small bit of content on BD Live features, but I really haven't seen anyone make heavy use of that yet.
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