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    Image of Odin Odin
    10/06/09

    In reply to Almost Nobody Owns Just Macs
    It'd be interesting to see how many of those Macs are running Windows as well.

    Apple and OSX infuriate me sometimes though. Over the past few weeks 4 out of the 5 people in my household got iPod Touchs/iPhones (I'm the 5th). As I programmer I figured that since I have access to a wealth of dev machines now I might try some app programming. I then learn that Apple in their infinite wisdom (read: dickishness) have locked app development to OSX.

    Well screw you Apple, I'm not interested enough in your platform to buy a new machine for.

    END RANT
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    Image of CleverName CleverName
    10/06/09

    In reply to Almost Nobody Owns Just Macs
    3 in the home, no PCs. Windows can burn in Hell.
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    Image of Odin Odin
    10/06/09

    @wrong: You'll have to show Windows around when it gets there.
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    Image of kitsuneconundrum kitsuneconundrum
    10/05/09

    In reply to Almost Nobody Owns Just Macs
    make sense, all my mac friends straight up boot camp.
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    Image of mattbarrie mattbarrie
    10/05/09

    In reply to Almost Nobody Owns Just Macs
    Learn the meaning of the word "of".

    15% of 12% = 1.8%
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    frigg approved this comment mattbarrie was starred mattbarrie was unstarred
    Image of frigg frigg
    10/05/09

    @mattbarrie: that's exactly the point.

    He writes "of the 12% of homes with a Mac, less than 2% are Mac-exclusive."

    ... the "of" means that the "12% of homes with a Mac" becomes 100% of the subset in which he's distinguishing between Mac-exclusive vs. Mac+PC.

    100% (the 12% subset of homes with Macs) - 85% (the % of that subset with Mac + PC) = 15% (households that are Mac-only within the subset of homes that have at least one Mac).

    Also, if you go beyond the math, doesn't it also make common sense: if only 2% of Mac-owning households were Mac exclusive, that would mean virtually everyone with a Mac would also have a PC. That doesn't seem to be true in real life, but an 85% (mixed) / 15% (exclusive) split among Mac owners is credible.
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    Edited by frigg at 10/05/09 7:20 PM frigg was starred frigg was unstarred
    Image of frigg frigg
    10/05/09

    In reply to Almost Nobody Owns Just Macs
    What am I missing?

    John writes "of the 12% of homes with a Mac, less than 2% are Mac-exclusive."

    But the study says "Of those 12 percent, nearly 85 percent also own a Windows-based PC."

    Wouldn't that mean of the 12% of homes with a Mac, a little more than 15% are Mac-exclusive (not 2%)?
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    Image of HyperDrunk HyperDrunk
    10/05/09

    @frigg: 85% of 12% = 2%, 12 * 0.15 = 1.8% exactly. It's a percentage of a percentage.

    Another way of looking at that is 10.2% of homes with computers own both a MAC and a Windows based computer.
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    Reil: Ignore this promoted this comment Edited by HyperDrunk at 10/05/09 6:26 PM HyperDrunk was starred HyperDrunk was unstarred
    Image of cherring09 cherring09
    10/05/09

    @frigg: 2% of total households that own a computer.
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    Image of frigg frigg
    10/05/09

    @cherring09: exactly... 2% of total households.

    But of the subset of households that own Macs (12% of total households, or 100% of households with Macs), if 85% of them also own PCs, that's 85% of 100% of the households with Macs, leaving 15% not 2% of the subset of households with Macs exclusively Mac.

    No?
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    Edited by frigg at 10/05/09 7:15 PM frigg was starred frigg was unstarred
    Image of HyperDrunk HyperDrunk
    10/05/09

    @frigg: 15% of homes with macs, have only macs, would be correct, but that wasn't how it was read in the post. they were saying 85% of 12% which is why only 2% of total homes with computers have only Macs, not 85% of 100% mac households.
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    frigg promoted this comment HyperDrunk was starred HyperDrunk was unstarred
    Image of frigg frigg
    10/05/09

    @HyperDrunk: That's right. total homes. But what he said was "What's surprising (or not) is that of the 12% of homes with a Mac, less than 2% are Mac-exclusive."

    (my emphasis. he didn't say total homes, he said homes with a mac, which gives the wrong stat).
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    Edited by frigg at 10/05/09 11:00 PM frigg was starred frigg was unstarred
    Image of Septhinox Septhinox
    10/05/09

    In reply to Almost Nobody Owns Just Macs
    I'm an admitted Apple fanboy, yet I understand the merits of owing Windows machines as well. You'd have to be stupid not to.
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    Image of hjustin93 hjustin93
    10/05/09

    In reply to Almost Nobody Owns Just Macs
    I would love a mac, with Windows 7 on it.
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    Image of Yuppers: I love you Yuppers: I love you
    10/05/09

    @hjustin93: There's an app for that.
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    Image of otko otko
    10/05/09

    In reply to Almost Nobody Owns Just Macs
    Almost everyone I know has either a Mac and a Windows box or uses BootCamp/Virtual Machine software. There's still so much that Windows can do that OS X can't.
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    Image of Yuppers: I love you Yuppers: I love you
    10/05/09

    @otko: Like get viruses?*

    *Yes I know Macs can get viruses/worms too.
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    CustomFirmware promoted this comment Edited by Yuppers: I love you at 10/05/09 5:22 PM Yuppers: I love you was starred Yuppers: I love you was unstarred
    Image of HyperDrunk HyperDrunk
    10/05/09

    @otko: I'm not aware of anything that macs can't do that windows can. though I know that windows has probably 100 different programs that do the same thing to maybe 1 on a mac, but still, the mac can do it!
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    Image of otko otko
    10/05/09

    @HyperDrunk:

    Yesterday I wanted to watch an out of market football game that I couldn't get here in MN. Bootcamped into Vista and loaded up Sopcast/TVU Player. I've been looking for an OS X version of something like that for a bit but I can't seem to find anything like it-especially one that lets me record what I'm watching.

    *And if you want some other examples-browse Lifehacker on a daily basis. You always see some nice software that they come across and the first sentence will read Windows Only. It's not all the time-they have others that say "OS X only/Linux only". One aspect I LOVE about OS X is the amount of freeware made for it. It's second to none (except linux, blah blah blah)
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    Image of Lizard_King Lizard_King
    10/06/09

    @HyperDrunk: I still use the Windows side of my Macbook for the handful of things I can't do on OSX. Most of it specific for hardware, but the big one is the app software for my Garmin - their software support for mac SUCKS - and Fusion doesn't run it well.

    I know these are specific issues, and it has gotten a LOT better in recent years. I know basic users can get away with just mac, but to suggest that anyone can do anything they need to do on a mac is a bit shortsighted.
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    Image of Margatron Margatron
    10/05/09

    In reply to Almost Nobody Owns Just Macs
    See? Only 2% of us drink the Kool-Aid!
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    Image of infmom infmom
    10/05/09

    In reply to Almost Nobody Owns Just Macs
    Hmm. Well, in this office there's one Mac laptop and one Mac desktop, two PC desktops and a Linux server. I guess that makes us ambidextrous.
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    Image of Monty Monty
    10/05/09

    In reply to Almost Nobody Owns Just Macs
    Given the fact that Windows is regularly installed on Macs, typical Windows machines sometimes have OS X installed on it (Hackintosh), both platforms use (essentially) the same hardware, plus we have folks logging into virtual sessions (VMware, Citrix, Terminal Services, etc) -- I think this poll is somewhat meaningless. Right - households that have Macs often have other platforms available as well. Same is true for Windows households. Welcome to 2009.
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    Image of Patrick Howard Patrick Howard
    10/05/09

    @Monty: I think this comment is somewhat meaningless. You're saying that households with macs often have a windows machine. And households with windows often have a mac? Yes, that would be true. If A=B then B=A. The fact of the matter is that 88% are exclusively one way while 2% are exclusively the other way. Whether they are a mac user with a windows machine or a windows user with a mac machine, they all fit into the mixed system household group. The group being emphasized here is the small number of people using ONLY macs.
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    Monty promoted this comment Patrick Howard was starred Patrick Howard was unstarred
    Image of Monty Monty
    10/05/09

    @Patrick Howard: I apologize that I was not clear, but what I am saying is that in a world moving entirely virtual with multiple types of computers in the house that this sort of poll is worthless. What did it tell me? Not a damn thing. But, if you got something out of it, more power to you.
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    Image of hamazasb hamazasb
    10/05/09

    In reply to Almost Nobody Owns Just Macs
    I am a blended household for a number of reasons. I have an Imac and Macbook for me, but for my two young sons, I bought basic PCs for their school work and gaming. And sadly, as much as I love my Macs, I had to also buy a windows system to do some gaming on. I'm not anti-PC -- in fact I'm a recent switch-over to Mac. I think both devices have good uses.
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    Image of Gary_7vn Gary_7vn
    10/05/09

    In reply to Almost Nobody Owns Just Macs
    Well, 2% of the population just happens to be the percentage of people whose IQ is above 140, i.e., the "genius" level.

    Just sayin...
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    Image of Bruce Landwaster Bruce Landwaster
    10/05/09

    @Gary_7vn: So, the genius's find PC's too hard?
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    Image of Monty Monty
    10/05/09

    @Bruce Landwaster: Apparently only a genius can figure out how to live with using nothing but a Mac, I guess. Unfortunately, since our home is a mixed environment,I am clearly not part of the genius community.
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    Image of Gary_7vn Gary_7vn
    10/05/09

    @Bruce Landwaster: Probably, I'm a PC myself since falling victim to the iBook logicboard failure syndrome. I like Macs, learned on an Apple II, but I think they cost too much. Give me my homebuilt anyday.
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    Image of k-napped k-napped
    10/05/09

    In reply to Almost Nobody Owns Just Macs
    This makes sense. To save money, I'm paying rent at home (thank you, NJ, for making rent impossible to afford) and my family owns two Macs which I frequently use, plus my main PC I use to freelance off of.
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    Image of Lizard_King Lizard_King
    10/05/09

    In reply to Almost Nobody Owns Just Macs
    There are a few cases where I have to boot up Windows on my Macbook or fire up the desktop. If Garmin would make a decent application for the Mac (Roadtrip is AWFUL) for their devices and if Emachineshop.com would make an OSX app, I'd be more than happy to ditch Windows completely. My wife would not give up Windows, however, so our household is tied to both for now.
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    Image of chefgon chefgon
    10/05/09

    @Lizard_King: I think that you'd still be in the 2% figure. Installing Windows on your Mac doesn't mean that you own a Windows-based computer. It's still a Mac computer no matter what OS you're running on it.
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    Lizard_King promoted this comment chefgon was starred chefgon was unstarred
    Image of Lizard_King Lizard_King
    10/05/09

    @chefgon: "or fire up the desktop". Pure Windows machine.

    Besides, we are talking household - the wife has a PC.
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