I've never needed a Tivo - who would pay to use a VCR?
While PCs have long been able to act as DVRs, for a scheduled event, if you're already doing something on your PC, you're going to drop frames capturing, and it will effectively make your PC unusable while recording. It would also fill up your hard disks very fast.
I just subscribe to a satellite provider that has the option of PVR receivers - that way I can record what I want when I want, even on 2 channels at once now, for no extra fee, and skip commercials instantly, pause and rewind live TV, etc... all the usual features.
...but as I watch less and less TV, I find the occasional Bittorrent download isn't exactly squashing my net connection either. It's often neccesary anyway as the networks love to play shell games with their broadcast slots.
Adapt or die. TiVo had a good product and then decided to do nothing while the cash rolled in and the good times rolled away.
The industry is moving from time-shifting to on-demand: being able to effectively circumvent what time a specific show aired by recording it has been replaced by not caring at all what the original show time was, since you can just get it on-demand. TiVo should have got itself into the on-demand business while its profits were high - imagine if Hulu was originally created by TiVo or if TiVo had made a deal to somehow get (over the TV line or the internet line) on-demand for it's service, i.e. "missed the show AND forgot to record? We still got it for you!"
But TiVo decided that the industry wasn't going to fundamentally change with the Internet so they decided to just refine their product - and now they're suffering for it.
I love my Tivo, but the pervasive advertising is a real problem. Seriously, ads every time I pause a program?
I can understand being subjected to advertising for something that I get for free, but Tivo is already getting money from me AND from the marketing research companies they sell my viewing data to.
This is the main reason I am looking for an alternative when it comes time to upgrade.
Well, yes, that's true. But I don't have Comcast digital or a cable box, so I don't see Comcast ads at all.
I don't watch live TV, only Tivo, so the Tivo's UI is the most in my face. The ads during pausing lock the system for a few seconds while they load, and once there, cover about a third of the screen. Yes, I can clear them, but I shouldn't have to do that every time I hit pause.
The ads that pop up at the end of a recording also lock my system for about 10 seconds while loading.
I think Tivo's business model has been flawed for quite a while. They should have slashed subscription prices and hardware prices to get their boxes in every home they could while they were top dog. Then they would have been in a better position to find more creative ways to generate revenue than a monthly subscription... team up with Google for hyper-targeted, interactive advertising... knock Neilsen off their TV ratings pedestal... afraid it might be too late for them, which is really unfortunate. I love my Tivo HD and would be really sad to see them close up shop.
Hit it right on the nose! I once (and only once) checked out Tivo. Upon finding out that they want a monthly commitment I closed the browser window and haven't looked back. Everyone and their accountant wants a monthly subscription fee. Well, I just want a hardware solution that I can pay for once. Yeah, ONCE!
I like Tivo, it has great features. Like when you are fast forwarding and press play, it actually has some algorithm to play it where you saw it, even though it's technically ahead.
The problem is the price. Tivo's cost an absolutely INSANE amount of money. You are really dumping money out. Tip: if it costs more than a a computer and ain't a computer, not that many peoples are gonna buy. Why? Cuz it's fucking ridiculous.
*Note, I was adding the unlimited subscription price to the price of the Tivo itself, an HD Tivo (which competes with the DVR that I have).
I have a TiVo HD XL because I only use OTA HD. TiVo's suggestions help me make the most out of the limited number of channels I get, and the $15 per month or whatever it costs is a whole lot less than my $70 Dish subscription that I used to have.
I thought about doing the whole media center PC, but the TiVo is just so much easier to use for the other people in my house.
I just wish TiVo would work out their differences with the cable / satellite providers. I would happily pay $15 a month for TiVo functionality on my Comcast cable box. They could even make it a premium offering. For $5 you get the basic crapfest interface and for an additional $10 you get the TiVo awesomesauce.
AT&T's TV service is incredible. My girlfriend has it and the DVR is really easy to use, doesn't hang like Comcast's stupid device does and can be watched on multiple TV's. Too bad their internet is hobbled (It is a potential 16 meg service, it goes at 2 on a good day) or I would go for it here.
@Maori_Yelir: I have at&t u-verse and their DVR is outstanding. Records multiple shows at a time, can watch same recording on multiple boxes in the house (I have 3), and has excellent rewind/ff controls. I've used a relative's Tivo as well and found the menu not as user friendly as at&t. I think as cable starts to compete with the likes of at&t that will really spell the end of Tivo as it stands now. There is no reason why they couldn't get bought by a big cable co now...
Love my tivo. And I think in the past years as their subscription rates went up, it made it that much easier for those who knew the TivoHD was going to be a good experience to just bite the bullet and get the lifetime subscription, as I did. I'm sure that wouldn't show on this chart, and I would be curious to see the rate of increase in Lifetime subs. I bet it has grown and explains away a lot of that drop.
I have a Tivo series 3 and an HTPC running Media Portal for my movies/blu ray. The HTPC can in now way replicate the Tivo experience. We finally got a tuning adapter to work with our Tivo so we can get all the cable channels. Until the computer can support bi-directional cableCard or interface with one of the cable tuning adapters (to get all the channels) we'll happily enjoy our Tivo experience.
Am I the only one that's given up any kind of paid TV service in exchange for internet TV?
I just hook my laptop up to my TV-- it's free and the quality is good for the most part. Then again, I only watch maybe 2 hours of TV a week, so I wouldn't call myself a dedicated TV viewer.
@SJRNWT: You're not alone. I dropped cable TV almost a year ago and have been more than happy with a mix of OTA and Hulu service. The only thing I miss is PBS from our local affiliate. but the money saved from dropping cable can go towards DVDs from the PBS shop.
well it never took off over here, mainly because it was almost the price of a monthly sky sub just to record (about £20 a month if i remember) it was swiftly pulled from sale when nobody bought one, ive never even seen one in the flesh.
sadly here in the uk you cant use a pc like that, sky in their infinite paranoia refuse to allow a cam or any other device than an integrated set top box for nds videoguard
Jason, what if you're in a family that absolutely refuses to get more than one box, and also refuses to get DVR service?
I've always considered picking up an older Series 2 Tivo and trying to 'emulate' the service like the Australians and Canadians did before the 'official' release of Tivo. It's hard to find the scripts and emulators they used to use (since they kept it all password protected and made you verify that you were an official citizen - after all, an American with the software just has the intent to steal service), but from what I've seen, a few simple Google searches gets the goods ;)
@dragon:ONE: While I don't refuse more than one box what I'm really hoping for is a tuner card for satellite (Bell Expressvu). Then I can actually have one box for everything.
11/27/09
While PCs have long been able to act as DVRs, for a scheduled event, if you're already doing something on your PC, you're going to drop frames capturing, and it will effectively make your PC unusable while recording. It would also fill up your hard disks very fast.
I just subscribe to a satellite provider that has the option of PVR receivers - that way I can record what I want when I want, even on 2 channels at once now, for no extra fee, and skip commercials instantly, pause and rewind live TV, etc... all the usual features.
...but as I watch less and less TV, I find the occasional Bittorrent download isn't exactly squashing my net connection either. It's often neccesary anyway as the networks love to play shell games with their broadcast slots.
11/27/09
The industry is moving from time-shifting to on-demand: being able to effectively circumvent what time a specific show aired by recording it has been replaced by not caring at all what the original show time was, since you can just get it on-demand. TiVo should have got itself into the on-demand business while its profits were high - imagine if Hulu was originally created by TiVo or if TiVo had made a deal to somehow get (over the TV line or the internet line) on-demand for it's service, i.e. "missed the show AND forgot to record? We still got it for you!"
But TiVo decided that the industry wasn't going to fundamentally change with the Internet so they decided to just refine their product - and now they're suffering for it.
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I can understand being subjected to advertising for something that I get for free, but Tivo is already getting money from me AND from the marketing research companies they sell my viewing data to.
This is the main reason I am looking for an alternative when it comes time to upgrade.
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Well, yes, that's true. But I don't have Comcast digital or a cable box, so I don't see Comcast ads at all.
I don't watch live TV, only Tivo, so the Tivo's UI is the most in my face. The ads during pausing lock the system for a few seconds while they load, and once there, cover about a third of the screen. Yes, I can clear them, but I shouldn't have to do that every time I hit pause.
The ads that pop up at the end of a recording also lock my system for about 10 seconds while loading.
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The problem is the price. Tivo's cost an absolutely INSANE amount of money. You are really dumping money out. Tip: if it costs more than a a computer and ain't a computer, not that many peoples are gonna buy. Why? Cuz it's fucking ridiculous.
*Note, I was adding the unlimited subscription price to the price of the Tivo itself, an HD Tivo (which competes with the DVR that I have).
11/26/09
I thought about doing the whole media center PC, but the TiVo is just so much easier to use for the other people in my house.
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I just hook my laptop up to my TV-- it's free and the quality is good for the most part. Then again, I only watch maybe 2 hours of TV a week, so I wouldn't call myself a dedicated TV viewer.
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sadly here in the uk you cant use a pc like that, sky in their infinite paranoia refuse to allow a cam or any other device than an integrated set top box for nds videoguard
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"Virgin Media is to bring TiVo to the UK in 2010"
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I've always considered picking up an older Series 2 Tivo and trying to 'emulate' the service like the Australians and Canadians did before the 'official' release of Tivo. It's hard to find the scripts and emulators they used to use (since they kept it all password protected and made you verify that you were an official citizen - after all, an American with the software just has the intent to steal service), but from what I've seen, a few simple Google searches gets the goods ;)
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