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    Image of Poop Cooper Poop Cooper
    11/10/09

    In reply to Google Search Is About to Get a Lot Better
    In all seriousness, I would love to see this take one step closer to killing the concept of SEO.

    As a web designer, I'm tired of it being something that's always lurking in the background.

    "How many keywords can we fit in there? How many URLs do we need that redirect to us? Can you get Google to make our page the #1 result for 'doctor'?"

    What I'd personally find helpful is if Google somehow knew what questions to ask you if you give it something very vague. For instance, if I searched "doctor" it would give me search results like normal, but at the top where it commonly says "Did you mean...?" it could ask me, "Would you like to see doctors in your area?" I click yes. "What kind of doctor are you looking for?" I select pediatrist. "Would you like to sort these by name, distance?" I click distance.

    And all the while, Google is making AJAX calls that reflect in real time what I click instead of guiding me from one page to the next.

    It would be incredibly complex to set up, sure, but if anyone could do it, it would be Google. #googlecaffeine
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    11/10/09

    @Poop Cooper: Doesn't askjeeves already do that, more or less? #googlecaffeine
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    11/10/09

    @Poop Cooper: That seems a lot more work than googling "pediatrist" with the zip code or city you'd like to find one in.

    In fact I just did that. Google suggested "pediatrics [zip code]". When I click on that, google maps opens up showing me (with tabs and a corresponding doctor/clinic list) exactly where I can find one along with user reviews, websites, phone numbers, etc.

    Beneath that are regular text search results.

    I mean that's pretty a comprehensive result from just one word and a zip code. #googlecaffeine
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    TheLostVikings R.O.A.C.H. promoted this comment jibbly was starred jibbly was unstarred
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    11/10/09

    @bagellord: Unfortunately, no. I tried it out just now to double-check, as admittedly I don't frequent Ask Jeeves all too often.

    @jibbly: Yeah, I'm not saying the current system is by any means broken, and for those who know what they're doing I think it should be a no brainer most of the time. Unfortunately I design website almost exclusively for those who are 60+ years old. Many of these people think Google is the Internet, sort of in the same way many people thought AOL was the Internet back in the day.

    It usually makes it that much harder for me when I'm doing user testing and they can't find the darn site. What I'm proposing isn't something for people like us who frequent Gizmodo - something like that would be wasted on us. But threaded searched could help make the web more intuitive for people who are more asking questions than needing results.

    For instance, searching "doctor stomach problems" (something I've seen my users search during testing) doesn't produce any results for gastroenterologists in your area. The terms are too vague for Google to understand, though it makes complete sense to someone who's typing it in. The same person who does this kind of search doesn't know that gastroenterologists are called "gastroenterologists" - to them they're called "doctors" and "I have stomach problems."

    I'm not making demands that Google be "better" by any means, because for me it's pretty damn good. I'm just pointing out how it could be improved for those of us who aren't as tech savvy. #googlecaffeine
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    11/10/09

    @Poop Cooper: (Let me preface my reply by saying that I'm not picking a fight, merely holding a civil discussion, so yeah, cheers)

    Your example still doesn't hold up. I googled "stomach doctor" and the first result is the wiki definition of the proper term "gastroenterologists". Below that is the a map and list with detailed information on the side - the same format as when I searched for "pediatrist [zip code]". I didn't even have to enter my zip this time since google remembered from my last search.

    There are two parts to your argument. 1) Websites that you develop don't readily show up on Google (presumably from a search with a broad term) and 2) that Google should make searching easier for complete novice users.

    1) This is a pretty specific problem - one that's related to how google ranks their search results and how you can get your website on their search results, preferably at the top. This isn't a user issue, this is your (site administrator/marketing) issue.

    2) As far as my own tests go with your examples, I agree that the results can be better organized and easier to digest. There is a lot going on with a large amount of information that might be overwhelming. However, Google's search philosophy isn't one of hand holding (Bing and AskJeeves, among others claim to do that, but personally their UIs don't seem much easier to navigate than Google).

    What Google does best provide tons of information and leaves it up to the user to figure out how to utilize it. They help you along by providing tools for the search (maps, shopping, images, videos, finance, etc). Their options are MUCH more comprehensive than competitors. I can't imagine that it would be hard for anybody, even novice elderly users, to learn a few basic point-and-click "advanced" options. #googlecaffeine
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    TheLostVikings R.O.A.C.H. promoted this comment jibbly was starred jibbly was unstarred
    Image of Cogito Ergo Bibo Cogito Ergo Bibo
    11/10/09

    In reply to Google Search Is About to Get a Lot Better
    I may be the only dinosaur around running Boolean searches on Google, but I find that I nearly always get exactly what I want doing that. Boolean won't hunt down related terms, sure, but 99% of the time I don't need that. So to step forward, I stepped backwards. Boolean still rules. #googlecaffeine
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    11/10/09

    @Cogito Ergo Bibo: Chicken Boolean or Beef Boolean? #googlecaffeine
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    Cogito Ergo Bibo promoted this comment KeyserSoze was starred KeyserSoze was unstarred
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    11/10/09

    @beekerstudios: you are inane and stupid: No, I know exactly what you mean. Boolean doesn't give you "sorta like this, but not exactly that." It's a definite limitation.

    @KeyserSoze: Mmm. Chicken-y Boolean goodness. Just like mom used to make! #googlecaffeine
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    11/10/09

    @Cogito Ergo Bibo: For a proper boolean chicken soup you need: broth AND chicken AND carrots AND veggies AND noodles.. #googlecaffeine
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    Image of Eric Ragle Eric Ragle
    11/10/09

    In reply to Google Search Is About to Get a Lot Better
    Know who else had a thing for caffeine?

    Hitler. #googlecaffeine
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    OMG! Ponies! promoted this comment Eric Ragle was starred Eric Ragle was unstarred
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    11/10/09

    @Eric Ragle: Do you know who else was a happy little employee?

    Hitler. #googlecaffeine
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    Image of Eric Ragle Eric Ragle
    11/10/09

    Really? No Daily Show watchers here? #googlecaffeine
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    Image of STFU_FPU! STFU_FPU!
    11/10/09

    @OMG! Ponies!: You know who was taken over and ran outta town?
    Hitler! #googlecaffeine
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    OMG! Ponies! promoted this comment STFU_FPU! was starred STFU_FPU! was unstarred
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    11/10/09

    @Faslane's avatar is squished: Do you know who else drove a Volkswagen?

    Hitler. #googlecaffeine
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    11/11/09

    @OMG! Ponies!: LOL #googlecaffeine
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    Image of AmishJohn AmishJohn
    11/10/09

    In reply to Google Search Is About to Get a Lot Better
    It's gonna get better because they're gonna honor Rupert Murdoch's wishes and delist the NewsCorp empire? #googlecaffeine
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    11/10/09

    @AmishJohn: He never said that they were trying to get delisted. He said that he wanted to make NewsCorp unsearchable. There's a big difference there. #googlecaffeine
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    AmishJohn promoted this comment moo083 was starred moo083 was unstarred
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    11/10/09

    @moo083: Actually, Uncle Rupie wants to get paid. As far as I'm concerned, he can get bent. Go to a NewsCorp site, and the robots.txt specifically allows Google's indexing, and even points to the sitemap. If he didn't want to be searchable, he shouldn't allow searching. He just wants Google to pay for regurgitating NewsCorps already regurgitated stories. #googlecaffeine
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    Image of Hello Mister Walrus Hello Mister Walrus
    11/10/09

    In reply to Google Search Is About to Get a Lot Better
    The question is, if Google became twice as effective, would we notice? It already gives me exactly what I want 99.5% of the time. (Like your mom, hey-yo!) #googlecaffeine
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    Image of OMG! Ponies! OMG! Ponies!
    11/10/09

    @Hello Mister Walrus: At half the cost.

    Like your wife. #googlecaffeine
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    Image of Thorax707 Thorax707
    11/10/09

    @OMG! Ponies!: With only a small side order of spam... like your mom. OH! #googlecaffeine
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    OMG! Ponies! promoted this comment Thorax707 was starred Thorax707 was unstarred
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    11/10/09

    @Thorax707: But not as prone to chafing.

    Like your sister. #googlecaffeine
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    Image of AmishJohn AmishJohn
    11/10/09

    @OMG! Ponies!: Or drooling.

    Like your dog.

    Waitaminute. #googlecaffeine
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    11/10/09

    In reply to Google Search Is About to Get a Lot Better
    But how does it stack up against Bing?
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    Image of SuperTuna SuperTuna
    11/10/09

    @OMG! Ponies!: Chanandler Bong! #googlecaffeine
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    elementary promoted this comment SuperTuna was starred SuperTuna was unstarred
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    11/10/09

    @SuperTuna: Ms. Chanandler Bong #googlecaffeine
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    11/10/09

    @OMG! Ponies!: Bing is the decision engine, it decides what results you should read. It doesn't matter how efficient its search engine is. You must read whatever it tells you.
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    OMG! Ponies! promoted this comment Edited by PurpleMonkeyDishwasher: at 11/10/09 12:17 PM PurpleMonkeyDishwasher: was starred PurpleMonkeyDishwasher: was unstarred
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    11/10/09


    @PurpleMonkeyDishwasher: : So what yer sayin' is that Bing is the decider. #googlecaffeine
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    Image of Dougiedro Dougiedro
    11/10/09

    In reply to Google Search Is About to Get a Lot Better
    so when i search for picture of hannah montanna now it won't bring up naked pictures of justin timberlake? #googlecaffeine
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    11/10/09

    @Dougiedro: Oh man I hope they fix that... #googlecaffeine
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    met2art promoted this comment iansilv was starred iansilv was unstarred
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    11/10/09

    @iansilv: That's what you say, but a scan of your browser cache says different... #googlecaffeine
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    11/10/09

    In reply to Google Search Is About to Get a Lot Better
    This will be like kicking Yahoo! in the head before they can get footing, because their search hit results are already sub par by comparison. #googlecaffeine
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    11/10/09

    @Kaiser-Machead: who's Yahoo!? #googlecaffeine
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    OMG! Ponies! promoted this comment RedEyeNinja was starred RedEyeNinja was unstarred
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    11/10/09

    @RedEyeNinja: It's a chocolate drink not unlike chocolate milk. #googlecaffeine
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    Image of incubushead incubushead
    11/10/09

    @OMG! Ponies!: More Ovaltine please! #googlecaffeine
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    Mike Zuniga: That was Unexpected promoted this comment incubushead was starred incubushead was unstarred
    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    11/10/09

    @OMG! Ponies!: Shuddup and drink your cocoa-flavored whey juice. #googlecaffeine
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    Image of met2art met2art
    11/10/09

    @Kaiser-Machead: I'm Googling my Yahoo! right now... #googlecaffeine
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    11/11/09

    @OMG! Ponies!: eeeeewwww Yoohoo.... chocolate water.... eeeeewww

    edit: spoken in a Stewie Griffin voice
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    Edited by brobot - Beboptimus Prime at 11/11/09 1:10 PM brobot - Beboptimus Prime was starred brobot - Beboptimus Prime was unstarred
    Image of Curves Curves
    10/09/09

    In reply to Battery Refill Required
    2 p.m. and my battery is low. Mr Coffee - plug me in!
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    Image of psychonaut2021:That's Mr Psychonaut to you! psychonaut2021:That's Mr Psychonaut to you!
    10/09/09

    @Curves: I'd love to plug you in...but unfortunately my name is Mr Latte :(
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    Curves promoted this comment Edited by psychonaut2021:That's Mr Psychonaut to you! at 10/09/09 2:36 PM psychonaut2021:That's Mr Psychonaut to you! was starred psychonaut2021:That's Mr Psychonaut to you! was unstarred
    Image of quim barreiros quim barreiros
    10/09/09

    @psychonaut2021: that talk is not about coffe is it? is it about milk.....
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    SegamanXero promoted this comment quim barreiros was starred quim barreiros was unstarred
    Image of bill cant fart bill cant fart
    10/09/09

    @Curves: Err... You're a lady, right, Curves? Shouldn't the plugging be done by someone else?
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    SegamanXero promoted this comment bill cant fart was starred bill cant fart was unstarred
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    10/09/09

    @psychonaut2021: Its its caffeine based, I am not picky. ;)
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    Image of psychonaut2021:That's Mr Psychonaut to you! psychonaut2021:That's Mr Psychonaut to you!
    10/09/09

    @Curves: Well then, giddy up!
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    Image of bobman1235 bobman1235
    10/09/09

    In reply to Battery Refill Required
    I truly do not understand the geek obsession with caffeine. I guess if you really fit the stereotype and never exercise then it's the only way to get energy, but... having an obvious addiction to something and being proud of it is just so strange from a group of smart people.

    [bobmansrants.blogspot.com]
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    Kaiser-Machead promoted this comment bobman1235 was starred bobman1235 was unstarred
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    10/09/09

    @bobman1235: Coffee and bacon are the Yin and Yang of the geek world.
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    10/09/09

    @Kaiser-Machead: Canadian, Irish or American bacon?
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    Kaiser-Machead promoted this comment psychonaut2021:That's Mr Psychonaut to you! was starred psychonaut2021:That's Mr Psychonaut to you! was unstarred
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    10/09/09

    @psychonaut2021: I don't know much about this....IRISH...bacon you speak of, but Canadian Liar Ham doesn't count.
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    10/09/09

    @Kaiser-Machead: Fair enough. I do however enjoy that Canadian ham very much. Perhaps I'm lliving in the wrong country ey!*hearted*
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    Edited by psychonaut2021:That's Mr Psychonaut to you! at 10/09/09 9:20 PM psychonaut2021:That's Mr Psychonaut to you! was starred psychonaut2021:That's Mr Psychonaut to you! was unstarred
    Image of battra92 battra92
    08/31/09

    In reply to Caffeine Snack Test: Who Needs Coffee When You've Got Cookies and Gum?
    Wow, I can't believe people would eat this packaged garbage. I know back when I was a tubby young office worker I would happily much down on heavily preservative laden foods but now just looking at these makes me ill.

    Still, I do loves my Diet Pepsi.
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    08/31/09

    @battra92: Yeah, nothing better and more healthy than a a cup of wheatgrass juice?
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    08/31/09

    @battra92: Enjoy your DNA-destroying sodium benzoate. :P
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    09/01/09

    @met2art: Actually it's got potassium benzoate for what it's worth. Delicious!
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    08/31/09

    In reply to Caffeine Snack Test: Who Needs Coffee When You've Got Cookies and Gum?

    My gamer grub is your fuckin' trachea!
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    08/31/09

    @Underscore_Lysdexia: awesome, thanks for that
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    GitEmSteveDave_IndustrialStrengthLasagna promoted this comment Renegade was starred Renegade was unstarred
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    08/31/09

    In reply to Caffeine Snack Test: Who Needs Coffee When You've Got Cookies and Gum?
    Not to nitpick, but phenylalanine is not aspartame. It's an amino acid, and it's definitely found in aspartame (as well as a bunch of other things.)

    I need to go make coffee now. Damn all the coffee talk this week, it's all I can think about.
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    met2art promoted this comment jessedybka was starred jessedybka was unstarred
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    08/31/09

    @jessedybka: Most notably present naturally in breast milk. Say, do you take milk in your coffee?
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    08/31/09

    In reply to Caffeine Snack Test: Who Needs Coffee When You've Got Cookies and Gum?
    Good read. Now back to my piping hot cup of psychoactive substance.
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    08/31/09

    In reply to Caffeine Snack Test: Who Needs Coffee When You've Got Cookies and Gum?
    You mention caffeine pills, and you leave out Jessie Spanno from Saved By The Bell? How could you? She's soooo excited!
     Reply
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