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If Google offers it at around $200 without a contract, that could spark some interest in folks not having a contract (which would shake up the industry). It's not a terribly implausible plan since T-Mobile, Google's go-to partner for their Android test runs, just started hyping their Even More Plus plans that are slightly cheaper if you buy the phone up front and then you have no contract.
And, I suppose there's nothing saying an AT&T (or other carriers) version isn't coming. But the FCC filing for this phone didn't indicate anything but T-Mo.
We'll see, I guess.
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(Multitouch in some other apps would be nice though, particularly musical ones and games.)
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Replacing my G1 with better hardware interests me greatly, but I've never really taken a shine to the soft keyboard, whether it be Android or the iPhone.
Maybe I'll bite it and grab a Nexus One, but what I really want to see on T-Mo is an updated G1 or a Droid with a better keyboard.
Multitouch? I could really care less. The functionality is there, it's just not built into any US handsets. I'm sure our fine European neighbors will get a nice Nexus One with multitouch, and all power to them.
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And that's probably more information than you needed.
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Also, I should revise my first statement in the thread to say that multitouch is built into US handsets, just not the native Google apps. I have several Android apps on the market and have experimented with multitouch on the G1, but never had a good reason to release anything with multitouch support.
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a) It matters to most people.
b) It won't be hacked within 30 seconds of release.
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Maybe you should stop and think about what is really wrong with your thought process that you would be one of thousands of people with the same ridiculously stupid theory.
Maybe you should accept that Apple makes a nice smartphone that people like.... Rear back your fanboy/anti-apple horse for a second and think about how silly it sounds.
And also dont put your blinders on when you read the tons of great reviews for other phones on this site, but seem to forget about them so you can soapbox about how its not fair that everyone loves apple and nobody loves my xxxxx gadget.
Sorry for the rant, but you can only read so much of this garbage before it really starts to annoy you.
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maybe you should stop and think about what is really wrong with your life and maybe your blood pressure won't go up so high over minute things.
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Now that you have won, what do you think you are going to do next?
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Yeah i took it there, cause you werent willing to.
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If i was angry i would say fuck a bunch and probably get banned. Instead im elated to be able to help you lead a better fuller life of gadget appreciation.
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my life of gadget appreciation is fine, my wife has an iphone and i'm glad she does, I play games on it when she makes me visit her boring ass family
but just for the sake of you stopping, you are absolutely correct, you have enlightened me, thank you!
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Sure its easy to tell i like apple gear, but there is plenty of other gear i like also, and at my job i have to support a glut of different devices, some i like and some i want to run over with the forklift. I do find it interesting you mention perspective in this debate, because that is exactly the problem. Narrow minded perspective.
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I am glad your wife has an iPhone and would be glad if she had a droid, that wasn't the issue at hand. If i offended anyone in any way with my rant, i apologize for that.
I just see that same thing every day, it gets old, like seeing the stories about death panels, except here i can comment on how ludicrous it is.
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Seriously though, if blog comments about Gizmodo's obvious love of the iPhone (which is fine) bother you this much, maybe its time to rethink things a bit. They are after all, just blog comments.
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Bury your head in the sand all you like, but the fact of the matter is this is not an uncommon statement on all tech blogs that even run a small amount of apple stories.
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I'm not burying my head in the sand. I've read the same comments about Apple paying blogs you are referring to. I just ignore them with a bemused smirk. What I'm saying is that if these things bother you so much maybe your letting trolls and conspiracy theorists get the best of you.
People who post those insane conspiracy theories about Apple paying bloggers are either trolling for fanboys and don't really believe them, or are so idiotic as to believe they're true. In either case the best thing to do is ignore them, and its most certainly the best thing to do not to let them bother you.
Otherwise you end up ranting at someone who just called called Gizmodo editors iPhone fans and questioned their bias, which is not unreasonable. It may not be true, but its not unreasonable either.
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Again, I apologize for targeting vinterchaos, but i still stand by the assertion that while the editors of gizmodo may be apple fans i dont see this huge bias that people talk about. I do see an increasing love for android as the minutes tick by, which is a-ok with me.
So ill settle down, you will settle down, this whole damn blog is out of order..... And ill try not to be an unhinged pig feeding gangster about all this. :)
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So take that!
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Nice.
I don't really see a strong bias myself and I kind of have a sour taste from Apple in my mouth right now. I recently worked in a company where people who shouldn't have been spending as much as they were on MBPs and iPhones had the audacity to complain about their wages when they would have been able to do everything they needed to do with $300 netbooks and dumbphones.
I do think bias could be here at Gizmodo in some small way, but its basically impossible to prove, which is why throwing about accusations of bias is pointless.
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Give me an updated pre on Att without the slight lag Web OS desperately needs to get rid of (which is why the next firmware sounds magical) and ill happily leave my iphone for it. I think in a world where iphone's ui is aging a bit and 50 million new android phones make it harder to have one standout, palm still has the chance to be a breath of fresh air if they can weather the storm
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I fundementally believe that if given the choice most people would prefer to buy an unsubsidized phone, and that if most people did we would see a big drop in service prices. But right now the service providers are trying desperately to hang on to the power they think they have, and controlling the phones is the their last stand really. If Google goes direct to consumers, others will have to follow suit including Palm. So maybe Palm should be ahead of the race this time instead of pulling in third or fourth or dead as they have done in the past.
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You see, it reaches across the room and drinks your milkshake.
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"Look at Big Three automakers. Same deal. Lazy, fat, slow, stupid, from the top to the bottom — everyone focused on just getting what they can in the short run and who cares what kind of piece of shit product we’re putting out."
Yeah. That's right Mr. Lyons. It had nothing to do with dumping practices by Japanese automakers. Or that Japanese automakers can charge less by using non-union labor which get far worse benefits than American autoworkers. And it has nothing to do with the protectionist tariffs that countries like Japan then erected to prevent importation of American cars.
The last part really rings false. American autoworkers have historically taken great pride in the cars that they made. It was a family business.
Ultimately, brands failed - in no small part due to bad marketing, extending too many models, and still not being diversified. But saying that the men and women on the line didn't care about what they were working is just plain bullshit. And of course, that's only limited to consumer cars. If I ever had need for a pickup truck, I'd buy from the Big Three any day of the week and twice on Tuesday. The only choice would be between a Dodge Ram and a Ford F Series.
Do I like my Honda? Yes. It's a fun little car. Could it be better? Yes. The interior is filled with plastic paneling and the seats are covered in polyester. Will I buy another Honda? Probably not. They run well but the accoutrements are shit. For a nicely appointed interior, the Big Three did know better than the Japanese.
That said, Mr Lyons needs to drop character for this. Does Steve Jobs (or anyone at Apple) really care about AT&T's network? Probably not. It falls under "Not My Problem". Apple makes phones. AT&T sells the network. And while nobody picks AT&T because they want great service, they do pick AT&T because they want an iPhone. Knowing this, it is in AT&T's interest to help promote the iPhone when it promotes itself.
Whether the iPhone is able to deliver on the promise of the ads in spite of network congestion is irrelevant to Apple. They got paid. And AT&T got paid. And will keep getting paid.
But Steve Jobs has no incentive to care. Dan Lyons does.
And as I've said, if Dan Lyons wants to get pissy about AT&T's shoddy network, it would be best for him to do it from a server that doesn't crash.
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