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    Image of thatsmrpotatohead2U thatsmrpotatohead2U
    12/10/09

    In reply to How Lala and the Web Will Make iTunes Even More Powerful
    Gosh, all you guys bashing iTunes....is it possible that there is a class of semi-audiophile gadget lovers who aren't programming geeks out there - ie people who like using iTunes as their home player for CD quality music because it's very user friendly but still powerful? Or am I alone? If so, what am I missing?

    But on to the article - Lala is a smart move, no doubt, and I really like the idea of having access to the cloud for music where you've bought the right to listen to the track. Funny, if you listen to the RIAA, that's kind of the only right you ever had.

    Think what it'll do for the price (and spec) of the iPod - suddenly the 8GB Touch could be useful again, and who will need more than say 64GB of music at any one time?
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    Image of Yerzriknot Yerzriknot
    12/10/09

    @thatsmrpotatohead2U: Powerful? Please. iTunes is just as bad as Windows Media Player; if it wasn't made by Apple it would be a laughing stock. No media player should use a couple hundred megabytes of RAM for Christ's sake. If you're using Windows go with foobar2000; if you using OS X I feel sorry for you since that's pretty much all you've got.
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    Image of kingcrim84 kingcrim84
    12/10/09

    In reply to How Lala and the Web Will Make iTunes Even More Powerful
    Is there a viable option to sell digital music in an actual store location rather than just iTunes? One of the beauties of music stores is being able to talk to real human beings about music. It's quite exhilarating for music lovers such as myself to be able to express my love for certain aspects of songs, albums, artists, etc. and to also hear about other's musical love interests. I am the type of person that surgically dissects music when I listen to it, and seeing as how physical media is getting pushed out the door, it would be great to have a place to buy digital music and discuss purchases, recommendations, and all that jazz (pun intended) rather than read reviews and album synopses.
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    Image of Panzer23 Panzer23
    12/10/09

    @kingcrim84: Unfortunately the MP3 has been degrading music ever since napster. we have no connection to it anymore, and because of that we treat it like crap, not giving it the attention it deserves.

    I'm pissed off about this because of its implication of completely severing the tie between listener and artist. Now we will not even physically own a track, further decreasing the value we put into the music.
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    Image of chauncy that billups chauncy that billups
    12/10/09

    @kingcrim84: Live events, concerts and festivals. True, more expensive. But personally, I've never talked about music to anyone in a record store apart from a few sentences to the clerk. Live events are a much better gathering place. And those will never go away.
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    12/10/09

    In reply to How Lala and the Web Will Make iTunes Even More Powerful
    How about Apple letting me sync my iPod Touch via WiFi to my home PC with iTunes? Connecting via USB cable is silly.
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    Image of Nathan Obbards Nathan Obbards
    12/10/09

    @netposer001: That'd be too much like the Zune. Don't be silly.
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    Image of MarcusMaximus MarcusMaximus
    12/10/09

    @Nathan Obbards: I dunno, sounds like they're already going in that direction from this article.
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    Image of Nathan Obbards Nathan Obbards
    12/10/09

    @MarcusMaximus: I know. I was being facetious. Apple fanboys always go off on how MS "steals from" Apple, so I was trying to point out the opposite happening.
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    Image of AwesomeSquad AwesomeSquad
    12/10/09

    @Nathan Obbards: Even if you were being facetious, I still think it's a good idea. I want to be able to drag a song into my iPod's playlist and have it sync automagically. A man can dream.
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    Image of Nathan Obbards Nathan Obbards
    12/10/09

    @AwesomeSquad: Oh, I do think it's a good idea. I was just mocking fanboyism.
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    12/10/09

    @Nathan Obbards: Oh wait, I replied to the wrong person. I thought the OP said he was being facetious. Woops.
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    Image of Ninety-9 Ninety-9
    12/10/09

    In reply to How Lala and the Web Will Make iTunes Even More Powerful
    Selling music at a nearly 100% profit while at the same time insuring that your customers are locked to using your software and your hardware is risky business.
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    Image of admoseremic admoseremic
    12/10/09

    @Ninety-9: A song license is 80 cents. That's a 20 cent profit, not a 100% markup.
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    Image of dagamer34 dagamer34
    12/10/09

    @Ninety-9: Uhh,, iTunes music is DRM-free.
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    Image of Ninety-9 Ninety-9
    12/10/09

    Haha, take it easy, fanboys. You know I love Apple. Yes, I love them very, very much, I just wouldn't own one.
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    Image of SwatLax SwatLax
    12/10/09

    In reply to How Lala and the Web Will Make iTunes Even More Powerful
    What I'm most interested to see is whether Apple copies the Lala model of offering songs for a cheaper price (~$.10) that are online only (requiring additional ~$.89 to download).

    Since my wife got a Droid, it has been eye opening to see that there is almost no where that she doesn't have a high speed internet connection. Why download the podcast, when streaming it is just as fast, clean and interruption free?

    Would Apple risk their revenue model by offering MP3s for a price that would undercut competitors, like Lala did, but with the backing of the Apple and iPhone brand?
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    Edited by SwatLax at 12/10/09 10:25 AM SwatLax was starred SwatLax was unstarred
    Image of SwatLax SwatLax
    12/10/09

    @SwatLax: Sorry, posted before reading the article. Looks like the online-only model is being looked at:

    For several months, Lala has been field testing a version of its service that works on the iPhone or iPod touch. The company has told people in the music industry that test users spent at least as much money every month, on average, buying the service's 10-cent Web songs as iTunes users do paying for full-priced downloads.

    Interesting issue that arrises out of this, and would be similar to the infamous Kindle-1984 episode:

    Certain legal issues remain hazy: If music becomes a virtual product, it isn't clear how Apple might be able to guarantee a buyer would retain access to a song in perpetuity if, for instance, a new owner gained control of a record label's catalog and changed the terms of its deal with the retailer.
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    Image of trumpetgod trumpetgod
    12/10/09

    In reply to How Lala and the Web Will Make iTunes Even More Powerful
    Apple is pushing the cloud computing model, but the problem is that we don't yet have the infrastructure that would make streaming viable. Near-seamless wireless internet access is needed for lala to interest the consumer, and thus far, we are not even close.

    And by the way, lala is a REALLY stupid name.
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    Image of Mikestan Mikestan
    12/10/09

    In reply to How Lala and the Web Will Make iTunes Even More Powerful
    What ever happened to iTunes preview? Remember itunes on the web?

    [gizmodo.com]
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    Image of TonyWonder TonyWonder
    12/10/09

    In reply to How Lala and the Web Will Make iTunes Even More Powerful
    If its anything like the HypeMachine (hypem.com) no plug intended, it will be successful... but considering most of the songs on that blog aggregator are leaked, unreleased, bootlegs and unofficial remixes, I doubt it'll be anything like Hypem.com...
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    Image of Voyou_Charmant Voyou_Charmant
    12/10/09

    In reply to How Lala and the Web Will Make iTunes Even More Powerful
    By "more powerful" do you mean "an even slower piece of shit that I am forced to use?"

    Because that is the only thing I think of when I hear about updates, or added features.
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    Image of Aetius Aetius
    12/10/09

    @Voyou_Charmant: Exactly. Ewww iTunes. The software that people who don't know how to use software, use.
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    Image of kingbob337 kingbob337
    12/10/09

    @Aetius: Or the people who are stuck with iphones =( I'm counting down the months now. I think I'm just going to axe mine when I'm finally able to get a new phone.
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    Image of ads2k2 ads2k2
    12/10/09

    @Voyou_Charmant: iTunes works fine for me, but then again, I've got 8 gig of ram and a quad-core processor...
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    Image of Voyou_Charmant Voyou_Charmant
    12/10/09

    @Aetius: I wouldn't use it if I didn't have an iPod and iPhone.
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    Image of Nathan Obbards Nathan Obbards
    12/10/09

    @ads2k2: And that's pushing it. I'm guessing that just barely hits the minimum system requirements.
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    Image of ads2k2 ads2k2
    12/10/09

    @Nathan Obbards: Bloat's not that bad! Just ask Microsoft.
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    Image of Eulatos Eulatos
    12/10/09

    @Aetius: I know how to use tons of software, in fact learning software as fast as possible and then teaching it, is a huge part of my job.

    And i think itunes works excellently. After a week of using sweetFm i connect my laptop to my wifi and turn on home sharing and copy over all the new songs i have and no duplicates. It manages downloading and updating all my podcasts and it does it all pretty damn fast.

    I will say that the store loading is the only annoying and slow part of it all.
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    Image of Nathan Obbards Nathan Obbards
    12/10/09

    @Eulatos: iTunes works excellent in OS X. My 1.6GHz 533MHz FSB, 2GB RAM netbook hackintoshed to run Snow Leopard handles iTunes pretty much seamlessly. My 2.0 GHz, 667MHz FSB, 4MB L3 cache C2D T7200 with 4GB RAM chokes on it in Windows. It just was not coded well for Windows.
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    12/10/09

    @Eulatos: Yeah I think the store is the main issue here. But overall I just love the seamless and open-ended nature of WMP. Have been using it since ver 6 and now at 12.
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    12/10/09

    @Nathan Obbards: Agreed, though i still do use it for my primary home audio, on my old win gaming box.
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    Image of Bokusatsu_Tenshi Bokusatsu_Tenshi
    11/24/09

    In reply to Google Chrome OS Benchmarked Against Ubuntu and Moblin, Comes Up Slow
    Will be nice to follow how much the optimizations in 2010 will make it harder, better, faster, stronger...
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    Image of natural selection natural selection
    11/24/09

    In reply to Google Chrome OS Benchmarked Against Ubuntu and Moblin, Comes Up Slow
    I am really starting to worry about Google. Maybe it's paranoia from using my Volcano, but Google is competing with all areas of the tech industry. Google is the Andrew Carnegie of the internet, and it's only a matter of time before they have absolute control. Does anyone else think there is a way to protect ourselves, or are we all doomed to surrender our lives over to a merciless corporation?
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    11/24/09

    @natural selection: Or they could wind up like GM...
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    Image of OCEntertainment OCEntertainment
    11/24/09

    @natural selection: I'm sure if you knew half of the not-exactly-secret connections going on behind the scenes of other major corporations, you'd have an entire closet full of designer tin foil hats by now. For example, did you know the guy who owns Fox News also owns MySpace?! OMG!!!

    Or, in the immortal words of Reducto: "There is no government. There's only a few multinational corporations that own everything!" *Time Warner/AOL sign blinks on*
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    Image of Alfisted Alfisted
    11/24/09

    In reply to Google Chrome OS Benchmarked Against Ubuntu and Moblin, Comes Up Slow
    Of course it's slower. It takes time to secretly cache every keystroke.
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    Image of pz pz
    11/24/09

    In reply to Google Chrome OS Benchmarked Against Ubuntu and Moblin, Comes Up Slow
    An unreleased, unoptimized build of an OS doesn't match up against existing releases.

    Thanks for at least pointing it out, but this isn't newsworthy.
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    Danny Allen promoted this comment pz was starred pz was unstarred
    Image of Danny Allen Danny Allen
    11/24/09

    @pz: *yawn*
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    11/24/09

    @Danny Allen: I honestly can't tell if your making fun of pz or yourself. Either way, *tips hat*.
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    Image of Coolmodo Coolmodo
    11/20/09

    In reply to Do You "Get" The Chrome OS?
    What is there not to get about cloud computing? Whether you like it or need it is of course, another topic.

    Personally I don't see a need for cloud computing since I use a remote desktop connection and have access to all my apps and data from outside the home.

    I also prefer to have all my data on my own hard disks.

    (I don't use online email for anything serious, I don't use online photo or data sharing services, I don't social networks.)

    I also prefer to minimize the ability of big business to monitor my habits (yes I know I can't eliminate data mining about me completely).

    By moving fully to cloud computing you are laying your entire method of working, socializing, buying and communicating bare.

    You are basically increasing the ability of corporations to analyse you even more than with "traditional" computing, because you are basically uploading just about everything to their servers.

    So while cloud computing may have it's benefits, I think it should not be made to kill traditional computing.
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    Image of ccoady ccoady
    11/20/09

    @Coolmodo: I approve this message. I also prefer having my stuff sans-cloud. (except for gmail)
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    Image of Platypus Man Platypus Man
    11/20/09

    In reply to Do You "Get" The Chrome OS?
    I don't use a netbook, but if I did, I feel like I would rather just use a small and netbook-designed Linux distro that still worked like a traditional OS than this thing. OK, so this boots lightning-fast, but how often are those few seconds going to make a difference, especially considering that, in Chrome's case, you'll still have to wait on your internet connection to actually do anything.
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    11/20/09

    @Platypus Man: Dell mini 9....Windows 7....yadadamean. 7of9, going to go get a Jeri Ryan wallpaper now. I have 1% boot times as my 9 sleeps 99% of the time when I'm not using it.
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    11/20/09

    @Yuri Dambyotch: Can't argue with Jeri Ryan!

    But yeah, with what I've heard with netbooks running Windows 7 well (which I think is what you're saying?), you have another good, normal-OS option that seems to make this Chrome OS make even less sense.
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