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Bad Gizmodo! No cookie! How is this in any way relevant to the fabled Apple tablet? I really wish you'd stop tagging every even remotely tablet related story with it. I've said it before and I'll say it again, save that pointless Apple tablet banner (I mean come on, most real products don't even have their own banner and you give it to something that's barely a rumour?) for when it's actually announced or at least until there's a substantial story about it.
I know Gizmodo gets accused of Apple favouritism on a regular basis but this whole tablet business is on a whole other level.
@Odin: You know its funny. When I first started commenting on and reading Gizmodo and I saw some of the Apple Tablet posts I was thinking it was supposed to be some replacement for my desktops and laptops. Then I saw the price of the one FG is releasing at $500 and realized Apple wouldn't be able to build the thing and get the margins it likes to get on its hardware for less than $700-$800. I don't think people will buy the FG one either, so for fanboys saying I'm hating on Apple, take your trolling elsewhere.
Who's going to buy such a limited device for that price when there are ultra portable laptops (For example: [gizmodo.com]) with more beef for less money? Even if Apple builds a Tablet, unless it has signifigantly more functionality than is being discussed, its not going to sell.
@NorwoodIsMyHero:
The thing is we don't know anything about it. What it looks like, how you'll use it, how much it might cost, how big it'll be or even the most important question, whether it's even real or not. I had little interest in the Apple tablet when I first saw it being hyped on Giz. I'm sure I might have some interest if I knew anything about it but at this point all the hyping of a nigh featureless, primarily fictional piece of vaporware has turned my lack of interest into active dislike.
Regardless of anyone's opinion on Apple this Apple tablet business is over the top. There should not be 65 articles on something this unsubstantial. Apple aren't even to blame for it either, it lies solely with a few of Giz's editors (who are normally excellent writers) who want it to be real so desperately that they reduce themselves to pandering to rumour and try and tie it to stories of little to no relevance.
@NorwoodIsMyHero: I think its more about figuring out a way to make the interactive use of such a device, viable for the mass market.
Whether it's Apple or FG, we're really going to be open for this type of technology in the upcoming market. I don't believe that we're really "near" the correct vision yet, but I do believe the time is coming. This to me is the next logical progressive step forward from utilizing printed material. Although printed material may still be widely consumed, it's definitely obvious that it's declined in an even faster rate than any other technology to date.
In a sense of Apple, they tend to be very good at taking existing idea's and technologies, only to follow them up with a truly sucessful marketing campaign and an overall experience that most consumers love.
I find a device such as this, great for the market here in NYC or in LA where many business individuals are up on technological advancements and the ability to digitalize whats currently in psyhical form.
That's just my take on this market though. I wouldn't doubt the progressive sales of such an item, especially from Apple. The iPhone proved to be an enourmouse success to date and it isn't exactly the cheapest solution in cell phone pricing.
@Abarnum: Good points all, but I'm more talking about the fact there are too many good substitutes for a Tablet.
If its just having things in digital form, why not buy an iPhone or Android enabled phone. Business individuals wouldn't want to lug around a 10 inch tablet. They'd want it on something smaller or on their desktops. I work in banking, and no one here would want that just to digitize physical media. They'd use Blackberries or iPhones.
If its not mobility you are seeking then buy a cheaper laptop that has more power.
Apple has failed at product launches before. The tablet has too many good substitutes at the prices Apple will have to bring the Tablet out at, which according the analysts that Giz has sighted is about $1,000. If its only distinctive features is the manner in which you can scan through digital media, and take notes on the margin, thats not a good enough selling point.
@NorwoodIsMyHero: I get what you mean, I just think there is a market for a 10 inch tablet that would allow media interactive abilities, close to what the real thing (print / flipping through pages) would provide. I do however think it'll have to be super thin. I'm thinking as thin as what the Touch and AIR currently are.
I'm also a big fan of a device like this on my end for uses other than just print media delivery. I would love to see what becomes of such a device when it comes to media center controlling, home electronic controlling in general and even use in places such as hospitals where people would be able to jot down the needs of what nurses and doctors currently do, while also allowing them to upload live, on the spot.
@BergenCountyJC can't beat MW2: It's not an article side to side; side to side steps through different articles, then up/down reads one. I've never seen this model used anywhere and yet it is the perfect peradigm to me. Now, admittedly the reason I think we haven't seen it to date has something to do with the absence of tablet devices that will be the perfect platform to take advantage of it.
@brianmi40: I do this all the time with my NY Times app. That's what I'm referring to -- going from article to article with a right-to-left gesture and flicking down-to-up to read an article I like.
@Hearthatvoiceagain: Hey, at least this demo concept from a company that has nothing to do with Apple (evidenced mainly by the fact that we're seeing it) has more to do with Apple than a touch-screen e-reader technology that has nothing to do with Apple. Or a mysterrrioouuus SIM card tray.
I'm seriously resisting the urge to put together a timeline of all the ridiculous Apple Tablet rumors over the years.
@OCEntertainment:
Well as an example the Microsoft Courier, a much more real product than the Apple Tablet has 6 tagged posts on Gizmodo. Conversely the Apple tablet about which barely anything is known, no ones sure it's even real and all images of it are fan concepts, plus the fact that there's really nothing from Apple about it has a whopping 65 articles tagged with it.
There are products that have been officially announced, confirmed and released that have less Giz articles than that. Plus out of those 65 articles very little have any substance beyond a rumour, there's no official information, and a lot are just tied to stories to do with tablets in general even if they're wholly irrelevant to the Apple tablet.
The Apple tablet is my biggest pet peeve about Gizmodo. I can live with their Apple favouritism for the most part but when they spend so much time hyping a product I'm not sure even exists it's just annoying. They should just rename it #appletabletmodo
And I agree with the Pope. The courier looks amazing. I'm sure I'd have about three projects a year I'd need it for, but it would be totally worth it for me.
@Pope John Peeps II:
Yeah I'm pretty psyched about it as well. I'm not entirely sure what use I'd have for it but as a concept it's a very snazzy piece of tech.
@Odin: Yeah, I'd have no purpose for it, since I'm not a designer, nor need to be particularly mobile. But there are a LOT of jobs that I could see it be really useful for. Especially since it's book-style, therefore durable and portable.
Actually if my career progresses in the next year or two, I might get one anyways.
Yeah but with a screen flush to the edges, what would you hold on to? It would be so hard to use it and not have accidental input from your thumb curving around.
"Something with no framing, with the screen fully flushed to the edges"I'm glad Jesus agrees with me. No more of this bezel shit. The whole front should be screen. I'm on the fence about a physical button like the iPhone. I don't think it needs one. And soft keys on the side would be stupid..
@TonyWonder: Hardware buttons are a good way to reset / reboot a crashed computer. If a software button is frozen have fun waiting in line at the Genius bar to get the thing rebooted.
And if you were going to say "remove the battery to reset it", based on Apples latest hardware trends there will be no way for the user to remove the battery.
@Turkieshooter: true, reset is an issue... but I still say if you aren't maxing out the touch screen space (after all it is a tablet) you're wasting your time. Screen space is pure gold for this type of thing...
I really believe that Apple will surprise us with the display technology, specialy since they seem to be giving so much attention to publishers/reading content for this tablet.
Nowadays people keep focusing on mainly two solutions: e-ink and lcd as the only way. Its a basic stand-off between low refresh rates and BW for e-ink against eye-stressing color lcd.
Perhaps Apple found an inovative way around that. Let's say just for the sake of a discussion they came up a regular lcd/oled screen with a birghtness scheme controlled by software in a way that non-text pixel gets lower brighness than text ones. I know this is may seem farfetched and even improbable solution (I do know how lcds work), but who knows, perhaps they have thought out something "different" that may surprise us...
@Entaum: Except, Apple doesn't design displays, ODMs do. Apple can work with an ODM to design some new tech, but ultimately Apple doesn't "own" any factories for the production of their products. It's all agreements from companies like Foxconn which does the actual assembly work.
And that's why it's important to state that other companies can't do what Apple does because they'd have to charge what Apple charges to get it done and remain profitable. It's not magic. You pay more for an Apple product because it's more cutting edge. Simple as that.
@dagamer34: Never said they did or would manufacture it, but of course their contract-manufacturing process with the larger margins they usually have sure does allow them more flexibility when comming up with innovations such as these.
It's also obvious that just charging more for something doesn't actually make it better or we'd be all buying $5K mp3 players from Bang&Olufsen. :)
I need to be able to read this thing in any environment. If I can't see it while out in the sunlight, what good is it gonna do me? I need some sort of e-ink mode, or else I'm gonna wait for whatever device using the Pixel Qi screen, or maybe the nook if I have to wait too much longer. I need ebooks now! My physical collection is taking up way too much space for me.
This does not include the articles speculating how much it will cost, what it will do, what it will look like, what it won't look like, things that kind of look like an Apple Tablet (but aren't), why anyone would want it, why no one wouldn't want it, a dozen different renderings, a few Photoshop contests (for good measure), and what a chocolate Apple Tablet tastes like.
Can we just agree that analysts are full of crap at this point, that if (IF, people) it exists then no one outside the Distortion Field has seen it, and that when it comes out it can't possibly live up to the hype it has received thanks to it vaporous non-corporeality?
@Michael Crider: If I could promote this, I would. Can we please just ignore what these analysts are predicting? They clearly have a shitty track record when it comes to this supposed device.
12/17/09
I know Gizmodo gets accused of Apple favouritism on a regular basis but this whole tablet business is on a whole other level.
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At least for the time being.
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Who's going to buy such a limited device for that price when there are ultra portable laptops (For example: [gizmodo.com]) with more beef for less money? Even if Apple builds a Tablet, unless it has signifigantly more functionality than is being discussed, its not going to sell.
12/17/09
The thing is we don't know anything about it. What it looks like, how you'll use it, how much it might cost, how big it'll be or even the most important question, whether it's even real or not. I had little interest in the Apple tablet when I first saw it being hyped on Giz. I'm sure I might have some interest if I knew anything about it but at this point all the hyping of a nigh featureless, primarily fictional piece of vaporware has turned my lack of interest into active dislike.
Regardless of anyone's opinion on Apple this Apple tablet business is over the top. There should not be 65 articles on something this unsubstantial. Apple aren't even to blame for it either, it lies solely with a few of Giz's editors (who are normally excellent writers) who want it to be real so desperately that they reduce themselves to pandering to rumour and try and tie it to stories of little to no relevance.
12/17/09
Whether it's Apple or FG, we're really going to be open for this type of technology in the upcoming market. I don't believe that we're really "near" the correct vision yet, but I do believe the time is coming. This to me is the next logical progressive step forward from utilizing printed material. Although printed material may still be widely consumed, it's definitely obvious that it's declined in an even faster rate than any other technology to date.
In a sense of Apple, they tend to be very good at taking existing idea's and technologies, only to follow them up with a truly sucessful marketing campaign and an overall experience that most consumers love.
I find a device such as this, great for the market here in NYC or in LA where many business individuals are up on technological advancements and the ability to digitalize whats currently in psyhical form.
That's just my take on this market though. I wouldn't doubt the progressive sales of such an item, especially from Apple. The iPhone proved to be an enourmouse success to date and it isn't exactly the cheapest solution in cell phone pricing.
12/17/09
If its just having things in digital form, why not buy an iPhone or Android enabled phone. Business individuals wouldn't want to lug around a 10 inch tablet. They'd want it on something smaller or on their desktops. I work in banking, and no one here would want that just to digitize physical media. They'd use Blackberries or iPhones.
If its not mobility you are seeking then buy a cheaper laptop that has more power.
Apple has failed at product launches before. The tablet has too many good substitutes at the prices Apple will have to bring the Tablet out at, which according the analysts that Giz has sighted is about $1,000. If its only distinctive features is the manner in which you can scan through digital media, and take notes on the margin, thats not a good enough selling point.
12/17/09
I'm also a big fan of a device like this on my end for uses other than just print media delivery. I would love to see what becomes of such a device when it comes to media center controlling, home electronic controlling in general and even use in places such as hospitals where people would be able to jot down the needs of what nurses and doctors currently do, while also allowing them to upload live, on the spot.
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I'm seriously resisting the urge to put together a timeline of all the ridiculous Apple Tablet rumors over the years.
12/17/09
Well as an example the Microsoft Courier, a much more real product than the Apple Tablet has 6 tagged posts on Gizmodo. Conversely the Apple tablet about which barely anything is known, no ones sure it's even real and all images of it are fan concepts, plus the fact that there's really nothing from Apple about it has a whopping 65 articles tagged with it.
There are products that have been officially announced, confirmed and released that have less Giz articles than that. Plus out of those 65 articles very little have any substance beyond a rumour, there's no official information, and a lot are just tied to stories to do with tablets in general even if they're wholly irrelevant to the Apple tablet.
The Apple tablet is my biggest pet peeve about Gizmodo. I can live with their Apple favouritism for the most part but when they spend so much time hyping a product I'm not sure even exists it's just annoying. They should just rename it #appletabletmodo
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And I agree with the Pope. The courier looks amazing. I'm sure I'd have about three projects a year I'd need it for, but it would be totally worth it for me.
12/17/09
Yeah I'm pretty psyched about it as well. I'm not entirely sure what use I'd have for it but as a concept it's a very snazzy piece of tech.
12/17/09
Actually if my career progresses in the next year or two, I might get one anyways.
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And if you were going to say "remove the battery to reset it", based on Apples latest hardware trends there will be no way for the user to remove the battery.
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Nowadays people keep focusing on mainly two solutions: e-ink and lcd as the only way. Its a basic stand-off between low refresh rates and BW for e-ink against eye-stressing color lcd.
Perhaps Apple found an inovative way around that. Let's say just for the sake of a discussion they came up a regular lcd/oled screen with a birghtness scheme controlled by software in a way that non-text pixel gets lower brighness than text ones. I know this is may seem farfetched and even improbable solution (I do know how lcds work), but who knows, perhaps they have thought out something "different" that may surprise us...
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And that's why it's important to state that other companies can't do what Apple does because they'd have to charge what Apple charges to get it done and remain profitable. It's not magic. You pay more for an Apple product because it's more cutting edge. Simple as that.
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It's also obvious that just charging more for something doesn't actually make it better or we'd be all buying $5K mp3 players from Bang&Olufsen. :)
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This does not include the articles speculating how much it will cost, what it will do, what it will look like, what it won't look like, things that kind of look like an Apple Tablet (but aren't), why anyone would want it, why no one wouldn't want it, a dozen different renderings, a few Photoshop contests (for good measure), and what a chocolate Apple Tablet tastes like.
Can we just agree that analysts are full of crap at this point, that if (IF, people) it exists then no one outside the Distortion Field has seen it, and that when it comes out it can't possibly live up to the hype it has received thanks to it vaporous non-corporeality?
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