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You know how you effect change? Get off your ass and DO something!
The FCC needs to stop playing in the sidelines and step into the limelight. The big cable providers are going to remain resistant to CableCARDs when they can lease out set-top boxes to consumers and make their money that way. Require cable companies to open their networks to more standards, give a nice big "fuck you" to the MPAA and the like and require ClearQAM on all channels.
Cable companies don't want it because it won't make them as much money. Consumers don't want it because they don't know about it. Who else do you think is gonna bump the status quo Mr. FCC?
There's already a solution to this: require that ALL channels be available in Clear QAM. I mean you can stream HDTV over Clear QAM, and its not like cable piracy is big anymore, not since people got bandwidth internet connections.
@NetLogic: So make it so that customers who want to buy premium channels are required to own a cable box, or get cable card, and everyone else just uses the Clear QAM signals.
@ddhboy: Sorry I said HD because I thought every one sends none premium channels in the clear. Everything we offer that is not a premium channel is in the clear and can be seen on any tv with a digital tuner.
@HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H.: Well that sucks doesn't it. I did hear a co worker who lives in a Charter area say something a moth or two back about loosing some channels that were not premium so I may need to ask him.
The funny thing is that same system sends all OnDemand in the clear as well. So he does see all of those, I think they have their priorities backwards.
Now can we tell "IPTV" providers like AT&T to please open up their U-verse boxen to non-AT&T areas?
I'm stuck in a Verizon serviced area - no FIOS at all up here - and I'd die for U-verse TV. All it is is one @#%#@% Internet connection out to the world, how hard can it be to open it up so us non-AT&T U-Verse areas can have some of the TV love?
Everyone knows the CableCARD situation for retail-purchased devices is a mess. Nothing new or astounding out of the FCC on this. HAD the Cable Industry made this proclamation, then it'd really be something noteworthy.
This is about 3 years too late - Time Warner Cable where I live (San Diego) uses SDV for most HD channels they've added in the past few years, which earlier CableCARD boxes couldn't run without an update.
I'm hardly an expert with cable systems, but I'd rather go without cable than deal with the atrocious Scientific Atlanta STBs that get foisted on you, along with the privilege of paying for them. I don't care what solution comes along to address it as long as I can plug my USB TV tuner into my computer and have the channels and DVR functionality work from Windows Media Center.
@Colage: Support for SDV is included with Win 7. What you need is a SDV tuning adapter that will work with your brand of tuner (assuming it's a CC tuner)but it will work fine with WMC.
The government needs to step in a regulate the f out of cell phones, internet and tv providers. These industries exhibit so many oligopolistic characteristics, that you can almost call them monopolies.
I have Comcast and when I first bought my 40" Samsung LCD I decided to get the cableCARD for it instead of having a set top box. (hey its got the slot for it, why not, right?)
But it sucked so bad I got rid of it within a week, it never synced to the guide to display the upcoming shows or info about the show, completely incompatible with PIP, no ON-Demand service, it didn't even have all the HD channels available that I was paying for. I called Comcast and they blamed it on the TV, which may be partly true, I guess. Or they gimped it on purpose so I would have to rent the more expensive set-top box.
Comcast changes my channel line up on Clear Qam every two weeks in an effort to force their box on me. How about just making them not move my channels around and strong arm me?
@Xeno: Neat! I have a wall-mount setup in my bedroom, and I didn't include the cable box because there was no convenient place to route the cables and still provide line-of-sight for the remote. My TV doesn't have a cablecard slot anyway, but at least it seems there will be better solutions down the line should I choose to upgrade.
One other thing they could do to fix it is take away the power of Cable Labs to decide who can and can't have Cable Card devices and leave that up to the FCC. There's no shortage of bootleg HDTV shows making it onto torrent sites in spite of Cable Labs' draconian protections on Cable Card technology. If anything Cable Lab's death-grip on Cable Card technology has promoted piracy than done anything to prevent it. If I could have a Cable Card tuner for my PC right now I'd probably re-up my CATV subscription and not torrent any shows I watch on a regular basis.
Its either that or do to the Cable companies what they did to Ma Bell not too long ago. Remember the old acoustic coupler modems and fax machines of yore? That was because you couldn't connect anything but Bell's equipment to the telephone lines and you had to "rent" the phones from them. The Government put the kibosh on that, the same as they should with the cable companies.
@MrEvil: It's kinda moving in that direction now. With Win 7 you can just buy a CC tuner for a PC and install it yourself. Tivo can use the cards as well. What they should do in addition to your idea is to require cable companies to allow people to install cards themselves instead of requiring a truck roll.
@MrEvil: So your answer to not being able to steal a program through your cable company because they try to make it so you can't steal it is to steal it another way?
I guess you fail to see the fact that you're stealing something that isn't yours huh?
@screemname: I'm just saying all these airtight restrictions on cable card equipment has done absolutely nothing to curb piracy. Go to any Torrent site and you can download High Def TV of any program, Even those from premium cable without restriction. I mean the fact that this stuff even exists proves that all of the DRM on CableCard equipment has failed.
@EBone: Yes, and they actually work well, once the *sshole CableCo monkeys install the cards. CableCard was a failure because the CableCos hated it and managed to give it the death of a thousand cuts.
Correction: You did not need to have a CableCard installed by the OEM. You had to buy a CableCard TUNER with a new PC. You get the CableCard from your cable provider. Second you don't have to have this to use your computer as a DVR. You can have install OTA tuners yourself and there are some cable tuners that will tune all non encrypted cable shows.
Dr. Evil Genius is eagerly anticipating the Year of the Black Rainbow was starred
Dr. Evil Genius is eagerly anticipating the Year of the Black Rainbow was unstarred
@HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H.: That's like putting a looping audio clip on the back of a STB that plays when you turn it on that says "YAR HAR, PIRATE ME!"
Edited by HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H. at 12/04/09 5:30 PM
HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H. was starred
HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H. was unstarred
I've never needed a Tivo - who would pay to use a VCR?
While PCs have long been able to act as DVRs, for a scheduled event, if you're already doing something on your PC, you're going to drop frames capturing, and it will effectively make your PC unusable while recording. It would also fill up your hard disks very fast.
I just subscribe to a satellite provider that has the option of PVR receivers - that way I can record what I want when I want, even on 2 channels at once now, for no extra fee, and skip commercials instantly, pause and rewind live TV, etc... all the usual features.
...but as I watch less and less TV, I find the occasional Bittorrent download isn't exactly squashing my net connection either. It's often neccesary anyway as the networks love to play shell games with their broadcast slots.
Adapt or die. TiVo had a good product and then decided to do nothing while the cash rolled in and the good times rolled away.
The industry is moving from time-shifting to on-demand: being able to effectively circumvent what time a specific show aired by recording it has been replaced by not caring at all what the original show time was, since you can just get it on-demand. TiVo should have got itself into the on-demand business while its profits were high - imagine if Hulu was originally created by TiVo or if TiVo had made a deal to somehow get (over the TV line or the internet line) on-demand for it's service, i.e. "missed the show AND forgot to record? We still got it for you!"
But TiVo decided that the industry wasn't going to fundamentally change with the Internet so they decided to just refine their product - and now they're suffering for it.
I love my Tivo, but the pervasive advertising is a real problem. Seriously, ads every time I pause a program?
I can understand being subjected to advertising for something that I get for free, but Tivo is already getting money from me AND from the marketing research companies they sell my viewing data to.
This is the main reason I am looking for an alternative when it comes time to upgrade.
Well, yes, that's true. But I don't have Comcast digital or a cable box, so I don't see Comcast ads at all.
I don't watch live TV, only Tivo, so the Tivo's UI is the most in my face. The ads during pausing lock the system for a few seconds while they load, and once there, cover about a third of the screen. Yes, I can clear them, but I shouldn't have to do that every time I hit pause.
The ads that pop up at the end of a recording also lock my system for about 10 seconds while loading.
I think Tivo's business model has been flawed for quite a while. They should have slashed subscription prices and hardware prices to get their boxes in every home they could while they were top dog. Then they would have been in a better position to find more creative ways to generate revenue than a monthly subscription... team up with Google for hyper-targeted, interactive advertising... knock Neilsen off their TV ratings pedestal... afraid it might be too late for them, which is really unfortunate. I love my Tivo HD and would be really sad to see them close up shop.
12/07/09
12/04/09
The FCC needs to stop playing in the sidelines and step into the limelight. The big cable providers are going to remain resistant to CableCARDs when they can lease out set-top boxes to consumers and make their money that way. Require cable companies to open their networks to more standards, give a nice big "fuck you" to the MPAA and the like and require ClearQAM on all channels.
Cable companies don't want it because it won't make them as much money. Consumers don't want it because they don't know about it. Who else do you think is gonna bump the status quo Mr. FCC?
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12/05/09
Cable companies are only required to send locals in ClearQAM. Few go farther than that.
12/05/09
The funny thing is that same system sends all OnDemand in the clear as well. So he does see all of those, I think they have their priorities backwards.
12/04/09
I'm stuck in a Verizon serviced area - no FIOS at all up here - and I'd die for U-verse TV. All it is is one @#%#@% Internet connection out to the world, how hard can it be to open it up so us non-AT&T U-Verse areas can have some of the TV love?
12/04/09
12/04/09
I'm hardly an expert with cable systems, but I'd rather go without cable than deal with the atrocious Scientific Atlanta STBs that get foisted on you, along with the privilege of paying for them. I don't care what solution comes along to address it as long as I can plug my USB TV tuner into my computer and have the channels and DVR functionality work from Windows Media Center.
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12/04/09
They need way more regulation.
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12/04/09
But it sucked so bad I got rid of it within a week, it never synced to the guide to display the upcoming shows or info about the show, completely incompatible with PIP, no ON-Demand service, it didn't even have all the HD channels available that I was paying for. I called Comcast and they blamed it on the TV, which may be partly true, I guess. Or they gimped it on purpose so I would have to rent the more expensive set-top box.
Utter Junk.
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12/04/09
Is this something you would put in like a Panasonic whatever, and the Panasonic whatever would replace the box that Comcast usually supplies?
12/04/09
12/04/09
Thanks for the explanation.
12/04/09
Its either that or do to the Cable companies what they did to Ma Bell not too long ago. Remember the old acoustic coupler modems and fax machines of yore? That was because you couldn't connect anything but Bell's equipment to the telephone lines and you had to "rent" the phones from them. The Government put the kibosh on that, the same as they should with the cable companies.
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I guess you fail to see the fact that you're stealing something that isn't yours huh?
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Wait, screw grandma. I have no idea what you're talking about either.
12/04/09
OTA=over the air(using an antenna).
12/04/09
That's what's wrong with the CableCARD - hand models with horrible hands.
12/04/09
12/04/09
Require all cable boxes to output unencrypted video of all subscribed channels via FireWire.
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11/27/09
While PCs have long been able to act as DVRs, for a scheduled event, if you're already doing something on your PC, you're going to drop frames capturing, and it will effectively make your PC unusable while recording. It would also fill up your hard disks very fast.
I just subscribe to a satellite provider that has the option of PVR receivers - that way I can record what I want when I want, even on 2 channels at once now, for no extra fee, and skip commercials instantly, pause and rewind live TV, etc... all the usual features.
...but as I watch less and less TV, I find the occasional Bittorrent download isn't exactly squashing my net connection either. It's often neccesary anyway as the networks love to play shell games with their broadcast slots.
11/27/09
The industry is moving from time-shifting to on-demand: being able to effectively circumvent what time a specific show aired by recording it has been replaced by not caring at all what the original show time was, since you can just get it on-demand. TiVo should have got itself into the on-demand business while its profits were high - imagine if Hulu was originally created by TiVo or if TiVo had made a deal to somehow get (over the TV line or the internet line) on-demand for it's service, i.e. "missed the show AND forgot to record? We still got it for you!"
But TiVo decided that the industry wasn't going to fundamentally change with the Internet so they decided to just refine their product - and now they're suffering for it.
11/27/09
11/26/09
I can understand being subjected to advertising for something that I get for free, but Tivo is already getting money from me AND from the marketing research companies they sell my viewing data to.
This is the main reason I am looking for an alternative when it comes time to upgrade.
11/26/09
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11/27/09
Well, yes, that's true. But I don't have Comcast digital or a cable box, so I don't see Comcast ads at all.
I don't watch live TV, only Tivo, so the Tivo's UI is the most in my face. The ads during pausing lock the system for a few seconds while they load, and once there, cover about a third of the screen. Yes, I can clear them, but I shouldn't have to do that every time I hit pause.
The ads that pop up at the end of a recording also lock my system for about 10 seconds while loading.
11/26/09