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    Warning: Not All ATMs at DefCon Are What They Appear to Be

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    Image of MePerson MePerson
    08/06/09

    In reply to Warning: Not All ATMs at DefCon Are What They Appear to Be
    Oh look, an ATM in the middle of a hallway at a hacker convention! This must be safe!

    [/sarcasm]
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    Edited by MePerson at 08/06/09 2:34 AM MePerson was starred MePerson was unstarred
    Image of GladysSparta GladysSparta
    08/05/09

    In reply to Warning: Not All ATMs at DefCon Are What They Appear to Be
    "The infamous DefCon hackers convention is going on in Las Vegas right now." Date fail. Defcon was last Thursday - Sunday.
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    timwoolsey promoted this comment Coolmodo approved this comment GladysSparta was starred GladysSparta was unstarred
    Image of SysRq SysRq
    08/05/09

    In reply to Warning: Not All ATMs at DefCon Are What They Appear to Be
    I wouldn't trust a hooker at DefCon. She may end up being a botnet.
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    Image of drunkhippos drunkhippos
    08/05/09

    @SysRq: all i was thinking of when i read that is that one futurama episode with the fake lucy lu robots
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    Image of jmeltzer jmeltzer
    08/05/09

    @drunkhippos: Actually the first thing that i think of when the word DefCon is mentioned is Futurama's "DefCon Owl Traps" 'Kills owls dead!'
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    Image of OCEntertainment OCEntertainment
    08/05/09

    In reply to Warning: Not All ATMs at DefCon Are What They Appear to Be
    "And if there were a little man inside just nabbing people's debit cards, it would have been even funnier."
    The salad days are over for Kenny Baker. Short on money, and owing a small fortune to the sharks, he turned to a life of crime.
    Many victims said they recognized the beeping sounds coming from the ATM, but couldn't quite place where they'd heard it until it was too late.
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    Image of bosskev bosskev
    08/05/09

    @OCEntertainment: +1 beep
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    Image of Mr_Biggles:Windows 7 was my idea Mr_Biggles:Windows 7 was my idea
    08/05/09

    In reply to Warning: Not All ATMs at DefCon Are What They Appear to Be
    i read this article on google wanted to tell somebody here on giz but not sure if im allowed or it would even be picked up. im thinking i have to be a star commenter like gitemsteve to recommend articles.
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    deanbmmv: ([k]) promoted this comment Mr_Biggles:Windows 7 was my idea was starred Mr_Biggles:Windows 7 was my idea was unstarred
    Image of deanbmmv deanbmmv
    08/05/09

    @Mr_Biggles: Just send your stuff to tips@gizmodo.com
    Dunno much on giz, but I know Kotaku are pretty good with accepting tips n crediting you. So you get your 15 seconds of fame too(internet is too fast to dish out the full 15minutes experience)
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    Image of zenpoet zenpoet
    08/05/09

    @Mr_Biggles: The good folks at Giz just want good stories, so always recommend when you can.
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    Image of Mr_Biggles:Windows 7 was my idea Mr_Biggles:Windows 7 was my idea
    08/06/09

    @deanbmmv: ([k]): Yea i'm always reading articles on just don't tell my boss.. and when i read it i think the guys at giz might find this newsworthy. Thanks for the help Deanbmmv, Scotland, and Zenpoet
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    Image of bosskev bosskev
    08/05/09

    In reply to Warning: Not All ATMs at DefCon Are What They Appear to Be
    "And if there were a little man inside just nabbing people's debit cards, it would have been even funnier."

    Pay no attention to that man behind the touchscreen!
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    Image of Bigbadbikernerd Bigbadbikernerd
    08/05/09

    In reply to Warning: Not All ATMs at DefCon Are What They Appear to Be
    Now THAT is ingenuity!
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    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    08/05/09

    In reply to Warning: Not All ATMs at DefCon Are What They Appear to Be
    Yeah, little people nabbing your cards inside of things seems funny enough, until something goes wrong...
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    Image of Nick Nick
    08/05/09

    @Kaiser-Machead: hold up. was that real?
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    Image of anexanhume anexanhume
    08/05/09

    @Nick: mission accomplished: As the comments point out, the gun has no kickback or shell casing ejection. Additionally, the video editing starts looking shifty at that point too. So no.
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    Nick: mission accomplished promoted this comment Edited by anexanhume at 08/05/09 1:40 PM anexanhume was starred anexanhume was unstarred
    Image of Nick Nick
    08/05/09

    @anexanhume aka Flintheart Glomgold: what comments?
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    Image of anexanhume anexanhume
    08/05/09

    @Nick: is a peelin': After you begin playing the youtube video, click it again. It will take you directly to the video on youtube's website.
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    Image of TheBusDriver TheBusDriver
    08/05/09

    @Kaiser-Machead:
    [www.snopes.com]
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    Image of Scotland Scotland
    08/05/09

    @TheBusDriver: You are too quick (insert joke here)
    "If you think this all seems a tad morbid for what is supposed to be a humorous hidden camera prank TV show, you're right. This clip isn't from a television program, nor did it originate in Russia. It's a television commercial produced for the Type & Magic print production company by the Buenos Aires office of the Ogilvy & Mather international advertising agency.
    Okay, it's a commercial, but by now you've probably been left still wondering what in the world a prankster's being gunned down in a mailbox has to do with print production services. That's understandable, because the circulating version of the video clip linked above doesn't include the original ending, which informs the viewer via graphic frames that Type & Magic "know you don't like surprises" and offer "Separations. Photochromes. No surprises"
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    Kaiser-Machead promoted this comment Scotland was starred Scotland was unstarred
    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    08/05/09

    @Scotland: Damn you. Stop ruining things with facts!
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    Image of Nick Nick
    08/05/09

    @Kaiser-Machead: it's his nature. he's irish.
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    Image of anexanhume anexanhume
    08/05/09

    In reply to Warning: Not All ATMs at DefCon Are What They Appear to Be

    Don't worry, we can used trained dogs to sniff out the criminals.
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    bosskev promoted this comment anexanhume was starred anexanhume was unstarred
    Image of bosskev bosskev
    08/05/09

    @anexanhume aka Flintheart Glomgold: Yeah, right, now I feel safe using these stations. And we're supposed to believe that these aren't just your hacking henchmen wearing dog costumes? Wasn't born yesterday, you know...
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    08/05/09

    @bosskev: -How rufus, how do you write ten in binary?
    -*Argh* you don't refer to numbers in binary by... uh, woof.
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    Image of Barry99705 Barry99705
    08/05/09

    In reply to DefCon Badge Hack Fools Facial Recognition Systems With Pulsing Light
    The Uber badges were only on Joe and DT. As far as I know, no one else had one. They were competing for a defcon black badge.
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    Image of martinbogo martinbogo
    08/05/09

    In reply to DefCon Badge Hack Fools Facial Recognition Systems With Pulsing Light
    Corrections to the article:
    The dirigible was made by team "HackTheBadge" which comprised of six team members. Dr. Volts (myself), one other long-time Defcon atendee, and four of which were first-time DefCon attendees, one who came all the way from Denmark.
    It consisted of three badges which were programmed to listen to the audience, perform half a second of FFT analysis, then turn on a motor and fly away from the noise depending if the noise was of the correct frequency and strength. The project was completed for under $150, under 48 hours, and worked perfectly the first time it was launched.
    The winner of the black badge was Zoz Brooks, one of the co-hosts of the ‘Prototype This’ show on Discovery Channel along with Joe Grand (KingPin), Terry Sandin, and Mike North. It’s unknown if the blinking lights were effective at preventing facial recognition, or if the overall system would work in the fanciful and highly theoretical scenario put forth to prevent a motion detecting system from working.
    The third place badge hack was a Blue Box implemented on the badge.
    The honorable mention was a completed set of all the badges, programmed to blink lights in a sequence around the ring of outer badges.
    There was one other specialty badge, of which there were only 14 called the "HackTheBadge" ([www.igotu.com]) more information of which will be available at ( [www.igotu.com] )
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    spannu promoted this comment martinbogo was starred martinbogo was unstarred
    Image of Barry99705 Barry99705
    08/05/09

    @martinbogo: Okay, I gotta ask, where did the gold balloon come from?
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    Image of iminahammock iminahammock
    08/05/09

    In reply to DefCon Badge Hack Fools Facial Recognition Systems With Pulsing Light
    He realizes that software generally works in loops. And a program structure as new as facial recognition (aka, hasn't been pwned until perfected) would probably be constantly looking for a positive match every cycle it could. So a guy with an animated face and that hat would be like a skeleton key. For the next month anyway, as they figure out how they want to negate this.
    He could have easily been pulsing some IR too, that is definitely a good idea.
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    Image of Lite: hates Illinois Nazis Lite: hates Illinois Nazis
    08/05/09

    In reply to DefCon Badge Hack Fools Facial Recognition Systems With Pulsing Light
    Perhaps rather than security entrance permissions it fools facial recognition systems on cameras such as in Airports when looking for wanted folk...
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    Image of redkamel redkamel
    08/05/09

    In reply to DefCon Badge Hack Fools Facial Recognition Systems With Pulsing Light
    so if these flashes confuse facial recognition systems, why would it let you in? Wouldn't the camera would just not recognize a valid face if it kept changing?
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    Image of Kris Aubuchon Kris Aubuchon
    08/04/09

    In reply to DefCon Badge Hack Fools Facial Recognition Systems With Pulsing Light
    Facial recognition works by mapping and recognizing the unique peaks and valleys in your face by comparing overall contrast - the more basic systems can be thrown off by light modulation, which alters the contrast constantly - which changes the appearance of depth on your face. You can just flash a flashlight in your face and get the same outcome, so I don't think the guy did much beyond attaching blinking LEDs to a hat - maybe he determined a good blinking speed too.

    I have a feeling in newer 3D systems this wouldn't actually work because light is nearly irrelevant (I think they use microwaves or something similar to determine the structure of your face, having nothing to do with light, as the 2D systems do)

    Then again, I'm just guessing here - I'm only assuming that the facial recognition system they have is 2D - feel free to correct me if you have more info.
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    Hi, I'm God promoted this comment Edited by Kris Aubuchon at 08/04/09 11:52 PM Kris Aubuchon was starred Kris Aubuchon was unstarred
    Image of stan-the-man stan-the-man
    08/05/09

    @Kris Aubuchon: (referring to the microwaves) "After using our patented microwaving facial recognition system, your face will no longer be recognizable!"
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    nutbastard promoted this comment stan-the-man was starred stan-the-man was unstarred
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