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I think we would all do well to remember that without the Catholic church, much of the world's history and important cultural advancements would have been lost in the Dark Ages.
Without abbeys full of monks who spent years painstakingly reproducing not just religous texts but also the writings of many ancient philosophers and historians, much of that knowledge would have been lost forever.
Sure the church caused much of the strife during those times, but there was also no one else bothering to preserve important historical knowledge. Monarch during this time did not care about funding libraries, museums, centers for the arts and so on and so forth.
As someone who has a rather low opinion of the Catholic church in general even I can respect their role in preserving and advancing human culture during the Middle Ages. #vatican
@NorwoodIsMyHero: almost everything you've just said is stunningly wrong.
while there were monks reproducing mostly religious texts during the so called 'dark ages' it was the Muslims who preserved and then transfered (see for eg. Reconquista) this knowledge to Europe. The libraries of the Islamic world were the ones that 'saved' the knowledge of the greeks/romans, and gave us the number 0 (from India) among countless other things. #vatican
@goldfarb: No it's not. I'm not sure what historical references you're reading from but it sounds somewhere along the lines of something Zinn or other entirely anti-Western Civ writers would say. The truth is never so extreme as "stunningly wrong" in regards to this topic. #vatican
@NorwoodIsMyHero: I'm not much of a fan of Zinn so...
any reliable history of mathematics, optics/physics/astronomy, philosophy or the relations between Europe and the Muslim world between the 10th and 14th centuries will demonstrate what I've said above.
To claim that the Catholic church is responsible for preventing "much of the world's history and important cultural advancements" being "lost in the Dark Ages" is patently false.
to say that "no one else bothering to preserve important historical knowledge" is equally false - and reveals a simple ignorance of the facts. the 'dark ages' were only dark in Europe. #vatican
@NorwoodIsMyHero: It's not anti-Western, it's simple fact. Goldfarb is correct, the "Dark Ages" were dark in Europe, due largely to a plethora of barbaric customs, an astonishing degree of religious entitlement and a staggering lack of acceptance of demonstrable fact, driven largely by classic Christian xenophobia. Which appears to be alive and well here in the 21st century. #vatican
Oh yeah, the Vatican - specially the pope - is so taking a kindler, gentler, more active role in science and technological progress these days... #vatican
I don't want any reprobate aliens polluting God's chosen species with their otherworldly pagan nonsense. We must shun the tares from the stars with extreme conviction people. And you, my brothers and sisters, will help Jesus Our Lord and Savior to vanquish the foulness from the sky with all the available modern technologies God has granted us through man's intellect.
@SilverBlade2k: just to be the devil's advocate (ha): God made other creatures on earth which were not in God's image. Why could God not have done this elsewhere? #vatican
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Without abbeys full of monks who spent years painstakingly reproducing not just religous texts but also the writings of many ancient philosophers and historians, much of that knowledge would have been lost forever.
Sure the church caused much of the strife during those times, but there was also no one else bothering to preserve important historical knowledge. Monarch during this time did not care about funding libraries, museums, centers for the arts and so on and so forth.
As someone who has a rather low opinion of the Catholic church in general even I can respect their role in preserving and advancing human culture during the Middle Ages. #vatican
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while there were monks reproducing mostly religious texts during the so called 'dark ages' it was the Muslims who preserved and then transfered (see for eg. Reconquista) this knowledge to Europe. The libraries of the Islamic world were the ones that 'saved' the knowledge of the greeks/romans, and gave us the number 0 (from India) among countless other things. #vatican
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any reliable history of mathematics, optics/physics/astronomy, philosophy or the relations between Europe and the Muslim world between the 10th and 14th centuries will demonstrate what I've said above.
To claim that the Catholic church is responsible for preventing "much of the world's history and important cultural advancements" being "lost in the Dark Ages" is patently false.
to say that "no one else bothering to preserve important historical knowledge" is equally false - and reveals a simple ignorance of the facts. the 'dark ages' were only dark in Europe. #vatican
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Oh yeah, the Vatican - specially the pope - is so taking a kindler, gentler, more active role in science and technological progress these days... #vatican
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Maybe aliens were the ones who made Mary pregnant, without the loss of virginity O.o #vatican
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Also, that picture is funny as hell. #vatican
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Shuuunnnnnnnnnnn-ah #vatican
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@SilverBlade2k: #vatican
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@Kaiser-Machead: Father! #vatican
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