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    Image of ZLevee ZLevee
    02/23/09

    In reply to Microsoft Cuts 1,400 Employees And Then Asks For Severance Package Refunds
    Some people, having not realized they were overpaid, might no longer be financially in a position to return the overage. If they are subjected to some swift and harsh legal action, that would be messed up.
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    Image of frigg frigg
    02/22/09

    In reply to Microsoft Cuts 1,400 Employees And Then Asks For Severance Package Refunds
    This is what happens when everything is written down on paper, filed, and lost. Microsoft should really look into computerizing their records, and using a spreadsheet or something.
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    Image of holographicProfessorMoriarty holographicProfessorMoriarty
    02/22/09

    In reply to Microsoft Cuts 1,400 Employees And Then Asks For Severance Package Refunds
    and you could always pay them back in rolls of pennies :D
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    Image of Lite: hates Illinois Nazis Lite: hates Illinois Nazis
    02/22/09

    @dOk: Oh no, you unroll the pennies.
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    Image of holographicProfessorMoriarty holographicProfessorMoriarty
    02/22/09

    In reply to Microsoft Cuts 1,400 Employees And Then Asks For Severance Package Refunds
    if you are over paid on the way out the door... just how are they going to get the money back anyway?
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    Image of Segador Segador
    02/22/09

    @dOk: Sue. Which MS might not due here, because suing 1400+ employees turns into a legal and PR nightmare.
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    Image of Hello Mister Walrus Hello Mister Walrus
    02/22/09

    @Segador: I'm guessing that MS will not do anything. Let's say the severance checks average $5000, and 50% of the employ4ees don't pay them back. They only lose about $3.4 million. I don't think it's worth the legal fees and bad PR for a company with $50 billion in annual revenue.
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    Image of Truth Bringer :D Truth Bringer :D
    02/22/09

    In reply to Microsoft Cuts 1,400 Employees And Then Asks For Severance Package Refunds
    I'd have to go with the cliche' "The Check's in the mail"... NOT or the ever popular " I never recieved the letter."


    They sent or handed these people a certified check, the check was cashed and cleared the bank.. Transaction complete.... Wa wa wa waaawawwawaaaa.

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    Image of Lite: hates Illinois Nazis Lite: hates Illinois Nazis
    02/22/09

    @Truth Bringer :D: Chances are the letter was sent via certified mail.
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    Image of Jrsy Devil's Advocate® Jrsy Devil's Advocate®
    02/22/09

    In reply to Microsoft Cuts 1,400 Employees And Then Asks For Severance Package Refunds
    What was the accounting department using, MS Money?
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    Image of Lite: hates Illinois Nazis Lite: hates Illinois Nazis
    02/22/09

    In reply to Microsoft Cuts 1,400 Employees And Then Asks For Severance Package Refunds
    Looking at the size of the blocked out area I'd say that is a good $1000+ they're asking for back...
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    Image of GiltProto GiltProto
    02/22/09

    In reply to Microsoft Cuts 1,400 Employees And Then Asks For Severance Package Refunds
    This is what happens when you use Microsoft database software.
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    Image of ShoyuRamen ShoyuRamen
    02/22/09

    @GiltProto: that is just so lame.
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    Image of ZLevee ZLevee
    02/23/09

    @ShoyuRamen: @Brian Sexton: lacking a sense of humor?
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    Image of SigmundTheSeaMonster SigmundTheSeaMonster
    02/23/09

    @GiltProto: But they use Foxpro!
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    Image of tillman tillman
    02/22/09

    In reply to Microsoft Cuts 1,400 Employees And Then Asks For Severance Package Refunds
    Were the payroll guys who made the mistake laid off?
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    Image of Purple Dave Purple Dave
    02/22/09

    @tillman:
    See, and that's why you should never let the payroll people cut their own severence checks before you kick them out the door.
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    Image of Samifumi Samifumi
    02/22/09

    In reply to Microsoft Cuts 1,400 Employees And Then Asks For Severance Package Refunds
    I'd tell them to f*ck themselves and keep the money (unless there is a contractual provision breached on which they can sue).
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    Image of JDickson87 JDickson87
    02/22/09

    @Samifumi: A contractual provision? How about the law? I hear the law has some influence in a situation like this, and that says that if it isn't yours, you need to give it back. I think that makes sense, don't you?
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    Image of JP The BAMF JP The BAMF
    02/22/09

    @jdickson87: Maybe... but, in this case MS gave them the severance pay, and then turned around and wanted part of that back... there's no law saying that saying that one must get back part of their severance just because a company insists on that...


    I DON'T FUCKING THINK SO!

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    Image of UltimateIdiot - Imperfection at Best UltimateIdiot - Imperfection at Best
    02/22/09

    @JP The BAMF: It doesn't matter if law is on your side. All Microsoft has to do is blacklist these ex-employee. So, unless these people are looking for a job at Wendy, they better give the money back.


    Blacklisting happen in big business all the time, and I highly doubt these people want to be blacklisted in a recession.

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    Image of geowrian geowrian
    02/22/09

    @UltimateIdiot: Yeah, then wait for the lawsuits to start flying. Blacklisting people is usually allowed when it's voluntary, but it becomes illegal in most areas when it's used to scare or intimidate employees (or ex-exployees in this case). They can't say "do this or I'll make sure you won't get a job anywhere else". That would be illegal.
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    Image of UltimateIdiot - Imperfection at Best UltimateIdiot - Imperfection at Best
    02/22/09

    @geowrian: They don't have to threaten. What do you put on a resume? Your former employer. If I was Microsoft, and an ex-employee's interviewer calls me, I wouldn't recommend him/her and tell the interviewer he/she failed to give back the money he or she owes. How likely do you think the interviewer would give him the job?
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    Image of Cordfucious of Tech Clan Cordfucious of Tech Clan
    02/22/09

    @UltimateIdiot: thats illegal in most states. I know it is here in Texas. Here all you cna state is how long they worked for you and the type of termination. (Voluntary/Involuntary/Lay-Off)
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    Image of tande04 tande04
    02/22/09

    In reply to Microsoft Cuts 1,400 Employees And Then Asks For Severance Package Refunds
    Yeah getting overpaid sucks but what are you going to do? Its not your money. You can't say "oh, bank error in my favor!!!" and run (except in California AFAIK).


    Happened to my brother awhile back, not with severance pay from MS but just extra money in the paycheck that he felt he deserved and then he was pissed when they wanted it back.

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    Image of Purple Dave Purple Dave
    02/22/09

    @tande04:
    Yeah, but the kicker is that when you get underpaid, many companies will tell you to suck it until the next payroll date. It's too much of an inconvenience for them to cut you a fresh check when it's completely their fault. I once had that happen to me during college, but you better believe they expected me to pay up for housing on time.
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    Image of Linux_all_the_way Linux_all_the_way
    02/22/09

    @tande04: What would make him feel that he deserved to be able to keep an over payment in his pay check?


    So if while paying for something he purchased he accidentally gave the cashier to much money he would feel that the cashier shouldn't return the excess? No I didn't think so.

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    Image of Hello Mister Walrus Hello Mister Walrus
    02/22/09

    @Purple Dave: The difference here is that there is no "next paycheck" that they can deduct the overpayment from.
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    Image of twoHats twoHats
    02/22/09

    @Linux_all_the_way: Soooo ... you claim that interactions with a corporation are the same as interactions with another human? Really?


    I claim that corporations perform acts knowingly every day to rip humans off. These are little accounting tricks that make the corps millions and only cost us "a small amount". The clerk at the store is not saying "gee - maybe i can pinch a nickel from each customer..." (at least very few are).


    Think about it for a while...Corporations are owned by very few really rich guys (the major stockholders) who feel that it is ok to rip off millions of regular folks so they can get a little richer... wait...sort of sounds like what is going on in the world right now!

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    Image of Purple Dave Purple Dave
    02/23/09

    @Hello Mister Walrus:
    Didn't matter with this college. If they didn't pay you enough, you had to wait two weeks to get it fixed. If they paid you too much (and they caught it), they'd send you a letter requesting you come in and pay back the overage immediately. I had that one happen to be as well.
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    02/23/09

    @twoHats:
    I can't remember what show it was (I think it might have been Chuck), but I recently caught an episode where one of the characters suggested that you can get away with either overcharging or shorting the customer X% before they notice.
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