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You just cut the A40s short on so many levels. I generally love your reviews, but this was quite frankly completely shit.
I'm going to give your readers the review they deserve.
First of all, while yes, the turtle beaches are less expensive, and yes I DO love wireless, some things are still just better at the moment wired. Also, I saw a few posts about Tritons, for those of you considering the Tritons I would go read a few real audiophile reviews before you buy them.
First I will say the Turtle Beaches are a great headset as far as sound goes, and for most gamers and 360 users they work perfectly well and they are WIRELESS.
Pros:
• Good sound quality
• Wireless
• Good surround separation
• Circumaural, so they fit around your ear, providing a good sound chamber and giving you way more hours of pain-free play
Cons:
• for anyone with a larger head, the build quality is crap and is something the headphone industry has been doing wrong for years.. all those cool little points of articulation are made of crappy injection molded rigid plastic, after about 6 months to a year the joints start to split/crack/break on larger heads.
• as far as game systems and chat, they are 360 only. you can however listen to audio sources fine, but the chat functions don't work on the PS3. I didn't try them on PC.
That's my mini review of the TBs to add to your already fair assessment of them in your review.
Now the A40 review:
I too hate wires, but being a bit of an audiophile and having had several 300+ sets of fullsized headphones and constantly trying wireless sets the audio from one to the other just doesn't compare. A friend in the game industry mentioned the A40s to me when I was becoming frustrated with always trying to tuck my mic under my senns.
I bought them shortly after they were announced, and after a small delay in shipping they arrived. My concerns about build quality were instantly dispelled as soon as I opened the amazingly well designed packaging. I'm talking Apple-like unboxing experience here.
Firstly Astro sends you like one of every kind of cable you could want minus the expensive optical (monoprice.com is your friend). The cables are made with that very supple and nice to the touch sheathing that you see rarely on products under several hundred dollars.
They also send you a nice rigid case that will hold the mix-amp headphones and a few cables as well as an extra battery pack should you need it.
Out of the box the quality of the headset was perfect. All the stresspoints are reinforced with metal parts or metal cover plates. The cable tubes are metal and the ear pads are a nice felt material (not quite as nice to the touch as my senns velour-like material but much less sweaty after a few hours gaming). All od the plastic parts are made of a heavy duty flexible ABS-like plastic but are very lightweight. They fit my MASSIVE gourd and don't squeeze my head and don't crack or break.
The boom mic is a wonderful flex material with a seriously robust plug that you can either take out for regular listening, removing the gamer-tool look we all know so well and allowing you to take them on the subway with you if you'd like. It's also switchable from left to right. The set includes three magnetic plates (one with a hole for the mic) to cover the open aural sides for a tiny bit more isolation, but people nearby will still hear your sound if it's really cranked.
People said my voice was loud and clear on the mic.
The sound is colored, but these are not monitors for sound mixing. I wouldn't say heavily colored, but they aren't flat. They have a decent bass response and are crystal clear even at high volume. As the other review states, the mids are wonderful and voices are very clear. The surround imaging is top notch and you can really close your eyes and call position on a well mixed source. The sound is warn which is perfect for movies and games and works great with most music.
Another nice benefit here is that most of the parts on the headset are replaceable such as the ear pads, side plates, boom mic and headband itself.
Now on to where the magic happens, the mixamp.
This is the backbone of the setup as far as the sound goes. It's a small and beautifully manufactured powered mix amp. There is a TON of inputs on this thing. Regular RCA stereo input, 1/8in input and output jacks, coax and optical as well as the mic input/output miniplug for the 360.
The action on the volume and level mix is smooth and quality feeling. The mix level adjustment is awesome since you can adjust the level between your audio input and you mic.
A few more cool points on the mix amp:
• you can also mix in a third audio source (in my case I like to be able to still hear audio notifications from my computer).
• it can be used with ANY system, PC, PS3 and 360 (as far as chat options)
• the plug for the headphones works perfectly with the iPhone and works splendidly when making calls at my desk.
• can be used with a battery pack that in my experience has gotten me 10 hours of gaming on one charge.
• charges via USB (depending on the source of power I sometimes do get a slight buzz when using them while charging, but once the charge is complete I no longer here it).
• the mixamps include a chaining feature for LAN parties where other mixamps can be connected and create a private chat channel.
• there is a small adapter that will allow you to connect another headset/headphones and the chat channel works between them. This sounds odd at first but it's GREAT for my wife and myself watching a movie while the baby is asleep in the next room. We can have it at an enjoyable level and still speak to each other.
• the mixamp will send the surround effect to any set of headphones plugged into it, but I've found its much more effective with the Astro cans.
• the surround effect can be cancelled easily for music sources.
The mixamp uses Dolby Headphone which is a new and specific tech developed by Dolby specifically for headphones. It is far superior to the work around Turtle Beach and Triton have been using and the imaging is amazing (they more than likely don't want to pay for the license when they already have the regular licensing). Read any good headphone blog and you will find there is no argument as to the sound on product from companies that have licensed the new tech.
Pros:
• Amazing build quality
• Replaceable parts
• Mic is swappable and removable
• Sound is excellent for surround sources
• Circumaural for comfy fit
• Mixamp can be used with other heaphones
• Lots of input options
• Uses superior Dolby Headphone tech
Cons:
• Pricey for someone who may just want a quick and dirty audio set up for their xBox
• Wired
Sorry for the long post, but I just really feel that when a product comes along that gets it right on so many different levels it deserves a proper review. I would go so far to say that for movies and gaming that these are nearly the perfect headphones. Other gaming sets (and I've tried a BUNCH) just don't compete when all the angles are taken into consideration.
I do believe Astro Gaming has plans for a wireless set in the future, so if thats extremely important hang out a bit.
Hope this helps anyone making a choice on a new headset.
I have had my A40's since last christmas and they are invaluable to me. I have my 360 and my PC close enough together to hook up the 360 by optical and the PC by composite(component? the RCA jack) 5.1. The Amp uses the RCA jack until it gets an optical signal and then it switches to that.
This way I can have my PC or 360, and then hook my netbook or zune up to the mp3 jack and the 360 port to my controller and all that stuff goes to 1 headset and 1 mic. Awesome. And it's very easy to control audio balance of each source.
As far as the 5.1 the amp, it does a pretty good job of simulating surround sound. I rely on the A40's for a lot of gaming and I can hear people all around me and what direction they are in easily. You can also turn off the 5.1 if you want to plug speakers into the headphone port.
There is one bad thing, which I kind of just found out. There is space inside for batteries, but normal batteries don't work in there. They sell a recheargeable pack, which I got recently and I found out that when it's plugged in and fully charged everyone you talk to hears an annoying buzz when you talk. The worst thing is that typically the A40's let you hear your own voice transmission slightly so you know what people are hearing from you, but you can't hear this buzz almost at all. I have taken to unplugging the USB when it's charged but I think it may come down to taking out the battery when traveling.
@aegies: I have heard so many conflicting views and opinions on the tritton pros vs 720s vs turtle beaches vs a40s that it's just all noise now. It came down to the 720's working with 360 and ps3, having a good price in my range, and decent feedback from the users.
"Steve says they're worth $1100, not just because they're hand-built and designed Jerry Harvey, who founded Ultimate Ears, but because you'll get 10 years of use out of them"
in my experience, all headphones of $25+ quality all end up dying from severed cords, not from bad drivers or build quality issues. #jhaudiojh13pro
they SAY that, but i'm having trouble finding any info on such a replacement. from the image, everything appears to be hard soldered. i'd be interested to know what replacing the cable on these things actually entails. #jhaudiojh13pro
@nutbastard: I've got a pair of Ultimate ears customs right now and have gone through 3 cables in 2 years. The JHAudio IEM's use the same plug/cable, they ARE user replaceable and it's quite simple to do yourself :). Just grab the monitor in one hand, grab the plastic plug on the cable on the other, pull straight out firmly/gently. They install the same way. Takes under a minute to swap cables on them. #jhaudiojh13pro
@nutbastard: The custom earbuds I got from [www.bigearinc.com] have an aramid (kevlar) strand weaved into the headphone cord. They demonstrated the headphone cord supporting a 70lb weight at the motorcycle show where I got fitted. No problems yet, and I'm hard on earphones. #jhaudiojh13pro
People who think you need to spend huge amounts of money to enjoy music have missed the point of music.
Would you appreciate the Mona Lisa more if you examined it under a microscope?
Remember the Shawshank Redemption, when Andy played that music through the PA system? If the PA system cost $80,000, would it have moved the prisoners any more? #jhaudiojh13pro
@njdevil: it depends on what music you''re listening to, listening to britney spears on$1100 probably would do nothing to make her music more enjoyable but for some music there are some slight nuisances that can only be heard and appreciated with high fidelity headphones, whether $1100 headphones are really needed is another question but spending a little bit more on music does show someones appreciation for it. #jhaudiojh13pro
@ab3: i had to read what you said three times because i read 'nuances' the first two... but no, you are correct.. there are slight nuisances that can only be heard on very high quality audio equipment as well... though they tend to make one upset about having said equipment and liking "those types" of music.... #jhaudiojh13pro
@günter macbeetle, codename: chrystlubitshi: whoops I was kinda in a rush and i just spell checked with firefox and I must not have been paying attention... haha #jhaudiojh13pro
@jbl429: I ordered my JH13's last week and are waiting for them. So I can use them on my iPod with Apple Lossless (And RaySamuels Shadow amp). Does that mean I didn't waste $1070 on them?
That said, listening to an ipod using the stock earbuds is a waste of the price of an ipod :) #jhaudiojh13pro
FLAC on a 1g nano? so that's what, 4GB tops? and "Audio sources encoded to FLAC are typically reduced to 50–60% of their original size." so about 350mb per CD, so you can fit, what, 12 albums on there?
you're at the FAR end of the spectrum, miles away from those who whine about the touch having 'only' 64gb. #jhaudiojh13pro
@lostarchitect: Sure, but you're losing some sound quality in the device itself. The iPod Touch isn't really renown for passing on picture perfect sound. #jhaudiojh13pro
@Evan, How Dare you Sir!: True, it would be interesting to do an experiment to determine when that limitation begins. But then, I'm sure it's different over different devices. Mine is an Ipod Classic 160GB. #jhaudiojh13pro
@lpranal: Look on eBay for the new dual driver Apple IEMs. They can often be had refurbed for ~$35.
The headphone gurus at head-fi.com forums tend to like them even at retail price, and they're usually the first to level hate at the the stock buds. #shurese115m
@lpranal: Watch out for the scams & fakes. Search the head-fi.com forums to see who's a known good seller. I got mine from "7dime" and despite the carrying case getting crushed by USPS they're perfect. #shurese115m
@Poison_Shroom: I use speakers so I can't really justify it. Sure I could use them at work, but $150+ to listen to music out of one ear at work just isn't worth it to me. #shurese115m
I understand that this doesn't literally apply, so bear with my word choice, but why isn't one female? (Like a plug) If I got them, I would want to keep them together to prevent tangling of the wires, thus connecting the lego blocks.
That's why I like my Zune headphones.
@Dacker:
Yeah, but since the general brick patent expired, their main claim against clones is trademark infringement on the basis that the 2x4 brick has been used on and off in LEGO logos for the entire history of their plastics division. The 2x3 brick enjoys no such trademark association, and therefore that simple distinction may be all that's needed to defuse any lawsuits before they happen. If they don't have an active patent, and they haven't ever even attempted to trademark that brick shape, it's a big difficult to come up with grounds for a lawsuit.
@Dacker:
Well, you have to realize that when they leased the original Automatic Binding Brick design from some guy in the UK, the _only_ part design was a 2x4 brick. It wasn't quite what we envision today, since the inside was completely hollow, and it was made from cellulose acetate instead of ABS plastic, but the outer shape is pretty much unchanged to this day. Well, the logos on the studs have been updated once or twice, and there was that period of time where some bricks had slots in the sides and/or ends (I actually have one of those), but any original Automatic Binding Brick should be able to connect to any modern LEGO brick and vice versa.
@Kaiser-Machead: Lego doesn't have a trademark on their brick design anymore anyways, so, there would be no reason for the company to not make it interlockable. Although, i cant imagine what you could do with them by adding more bricks....
@Marc Mohon: I dunno. The spacing of the dimples seems off, that or the dimples themselves are smaller than the standard. I wouldn't suggest adding other big bricks, but 1x1 pieces, like tile bits, would make for nice custom color schemes.
@Kaiser-Machead:
You mean the studs? They do look a bit undersized. The gap between them should be about 2/3 the width of each stud, where in this image it appears to be closer to a 1:1 ratio.
I've owned 30 different earphone models, from the stock Apple buds to $500 Shures, Etymotic, Ultimate Ears, Klipsch, Sony, etc. I even started my own earbud company.
The best earbuds I've ever heard are the Ultimate Ears UE-10. Loud, clear, eye-blinking impact and $500.
In general I've found that "you get what you pay for" and until recently I would have said that you need to spend at least $300 to get great sound from earphones/buds.
But In my search for the ultimate value in earphones I ran across a surprise. JVC (yeah, I know, JVC? ) has developed a new approach to earphones. They've designed a dynamic driver so small that it fits down inside the ear canal in the tip of the earphone nearer the eardrum. The difference is amazing. For $27 at Amazon http://amzn.com/B001E2SHI0 I can get sound far closer to the quality of $500 earphones than I would have thought possible. Very clear, tight, remarkable low end. Light comfortable, easy to put in (unlike the UEs/Shures). Easily the best value in earphones today.
Now I have a pair of these JVC's in my car, my briefcase and my bedside table and usually in my pocket if they're not in my ears. And I buy them for my friends and family.
11/26/09
You just cut the A40s short on so many levels. I generally love your reviews, but this was quite frankly completely shit.
I'm going to give your readers the review they deserve.
First of all, while yes, the turtle beaches are less expensive, and yes I DO love wireless, some things are still just better at the moment wired. Also, I saw a few posts about Tritons, for those of you considering the Tritons I would go read a few real audiophile reviews before you buy them.
First I will say the Turtle Beaches are a great headset as far as sound goes, and for most gamers and 360 users they work perfectly well and they are WIRELESS.
Pros:
• Good sound quality
• Wireless
• Good surround separation
• Circumaural, so they fit around your ear, providing a good sound chamber and giving you way more hours of pain-free play
Cons:
• for anyone with a larger head, the build quality is crap and is something the headphone industry has been doing wrong for years.. all those cool little points of articulation are made of crappy injection molded rigid plastic, after about 6 months to a year the joints start to split/crack/break on larger heads.
• as far as game systems and chat, they are 360 only. you can however listen to audio sources fine, but the chat functions don't work on the PS3. I didn't try them on PC.
That's my mini review of the TBs to add to your already fair assessment of them in your review.
Now the A40 review:
I too hate wires, but being a bit of an audiophile and having had several 300+ sets of fullsized headphones and constantly trying wireless sets the audio from one to the other just doesn't compare. A friend in the game industry mentioned the A40s to me when I was becoming frustrated with always trying to tuck my mic under my senns.
I bought them shortly after they were announced, and after a small delay in shipping they arrived. My concerns about build quality were instantly dispelled as soon as I opened the amazingly well designed packaging. I'm talking Apple-like unboxing experience here.
Firstly Astro sends you like one of every kind of cable you could want minus the expensive optical (monoprice.com is your friend). The cables are made with that very supple and nice to the touch sheathing that you see rarely on products under several hundred dollars.
They also send you a nice rigid case that will hold the mix-amp headphones and a few cables as well as an extra battery pack should you need it.
Out of the box the quality of the headset was perfect. All the stresspoints are reinforced with metal parts or metal cover plates. The cable tubes are metal and the ear pads are a nice felt material (not quite as nice to the touch as my senns velour-like material but much less sweaty after a few hours gaming). All od the plastic parts are made of a heavy duty flexible ABS-like plastic but are very lightweight. They fit my MASSIVE gourd and don't squeeze my head and don't crack or break.
The boom mic is a wonderful flex material with a seriously robust plug that you can either take out for regular listening, removing the gamer-tool look we all know so well and allowing you to take them on the subway with you if you'd like. It's also switchable from left to right. The set includes three magnetic plates (one with a hole for the mic) to cover the open aural sides for a tiny bit more isolation, but people nearby will still hear your sound if it's really cranked.
People said my voice was loud and clear on the mic.
The sound is colored, but these are not monitors for sound mixing. I wouldn't say heavily colored, but they aren't flat. They have a decent bass response and are crystal clear even at high volume. As the other review states, the mids are wonderful and voices are very clear. The surround imaging is top notch and you can really close your eyes and call position on a well mixed source. The sound is warn which is perfect for movies and games and works great with most music.
Another nice benefit here is that most of the parts on the headset are replaceable such as the ear pads, side plates, boom mic and headband itself.
Now on to where the magic happens, the mixamp.
This is the backbone of the setup as far as the sound goes. It's a small and beautifully manufactured powered mix amp. There is a TON of inputs on this thing. Regular RCA stereo input, 1/8in input and output jacks, coax and optical as well as the mic input/output miniplug for the 360.
The action on the volume and level mix is smooth and quality feeling. The mix level adjustment is awesome since you can adjust the level between your audio input and you mic.
A few more cool points on the mix amp:
• you can also mix in a third audio source (in my case I like to be able to still hear audio notifications from my computer).
• it can be used with ANY system, PC, PS3 and 360 (as far as chat options)
• the plug for the headphones works perfectly with the iPhone and works splendidly when making calls at my desk.
• can be used with a battery pack that in my experience has gotten me 10 hours of gaming on one charge.
• charges via USB (depending on the source of power I sometimes do get a slight buzz when using them while charging, but once the charge is complete I no longer here it).
• the mixamps include a chaining feature for LAN parties where other mixamps can be connected and create a private chat channel.
• there is a small adapter that will allow you to connect another headset/headphones and the chat channel works between them. This sounds odd at first but it's GREAT for my wife and myself watching a movie while the baby is asleep in the next room. We can have it at an enjoyable level and still speak to each other.
• the mixamp will send the surround effect to any set of headphones plugged into it, but I've found its much more effective with the Astro cans.
• the surround effect can be cancelled easily for music sources.
The mixamp uses Dolby Headphone which is a new and specific tech developed by Dolby specifically for headphones. It is far superior to the work around Turtle Beach and Triton have been using and the imaging is amazing (they more than likely don't want to pay for the license when they already have the regular licensing). Read any good headphone blog and you will find there is no argument as to the sound on product from companies that have licensed the new tech.
Pros:
• Amazing build quality
• Replaceable parts
• Mic is swappable and removable
• Sound is excellent for surround sources
• Circumaural for comfy fit
• Mixamp can be used with other heaphones
• Lots of input options
• Uses superior Dolby Headphone tech
Cons:
• Pricey for someone who may just want a quick and dirty audio set up for their xBox
• Wired
Sorry for the long post, but I just really feel that when a product comes along that gets it right on so many different levels it deserves a proper review. I would go so far to say that for movies and gaming that these are nearly the perfect headphones. Other gaming sets (and I've tried a BUNCH) just don't compete when all the angles are taken into consideration.
I do believe Astro Gaming has plans for a wireless set in the future, so if thats extremely important hang out a bit.
Hope this helps anyone making a choice on a new headset.
11/25/09
This way I can have my PC or 360, and then hook my netbook or zune up to the mp3 jack and the 360 port to my controller and all that stuff goes to 1 headset and 1 mic. Awesome. And it's very easy to control audio balance of each source.
As far as the 5.1 the amp, it does a pretty good job of simulating surround sound. I rely on the A40's for a lot of gaming and I can hear people all around me and what direction they are in easily. You can also turn off the 5.1 if you want to plug speakers into the headphone port.
There is one bad thing, which I kind of just found out. There is space inside for batteries, but normal batteries don't work in there. They sell a recheargeable pack, which I got recently and I found out that when it's plugged in and fully charged everyone you talk to hears an annoying buzz when you talk. The worst thing is that typically the A40's let you hear your own voice transmission slightly so you know what people are hearing from you, but you can't hear this buzz almost at all. I have taken to unplugging the USB when it's charged but I think it may come down to taking out the battery when traveling.
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#speakup
10/27/09
in my experience, all headphones of $25+ quality all end up dying from severed cords, not from bad drivers or build quality issues. #jhaudiojh13pro
10/27/09
10/27/09
they SAY that, but i'm having trouble finding any info on such a replacement. from the image, everything appears to be hard soldered. i'd be interested to know what replacing the cable on these things actually entails. #jhaudiojh13pro
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10/27/09
thanks, good to know. #jhaudiojh13pro
10/27/09
10/27/09
Would you appreciate the Mona Lisa more if you examined it under a microscope?
Remember the Shawshank Redemption, when Andy played that music through the PA system? If the PA system cost $80,000, would it have moved the prisoners any more? #jhaudiojh13pro
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That said, listening to an ipod using the stock earbuds is a waste of the price of an ipod :) #jhaudiojh13pro
10/27/09
FLAC on a 1g nano? so that's what, 4GB tops? and "Audio sources encoded to FLAC are typically reduced to 50–60% of their original size." so about 350mb per CD, so you can fit, what, 12 albums on there?
you're at the FAR end of the spectrum, miles away from those who whine about the touch having 'only' 64gb. #jhaudiojh13pro
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P.s. it used to be 4GB, but after a recovery mode/full restore it became 2GB. Go figure.
P.p.s. It's not my main PMP, that's a 16GB iTouch. #jhaudiojh13pro
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The headphone gurus at head-fi.com forums tend to like them even at retail price, and they're usually the first to level hate at the the stock buds. #shurese115m
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Good headphones are worth it, unfortunately it's one of the things were you have to try it or you'll never know
Three years ago I bought a $100 dollar pair of IEMs from Shure, earlier this year I got Denon AH-D2000 for $300. I don't regret it at all #shurese115m
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That's why I like my Zune headphones.
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Yeah, but since the general brick patent expired, their main claim against clones is trademark infringement on the basis that the 2x4 brick has been used on and off in LEGO logos for the entire history of their plastics division. The 2x3 brick enjoys no such trademark association, and therefore that simple distinction may be all that's needed to defuse any lawsuits before they happen. If they don't have an active patent, and they haven't ever even attempted to trademark that brick shape, it's a big difficult to come up with grounds for a lawsuit.
10/09/09
Ah, now I understand the discussion of 2x4 bricks. Thanks for the explanation...!
10/09/09
Well, you have to realize that when they leased the original Automatic Binding Brick design from some guy in the UK, the _only_ part design was a 2x4 brick. It wasn't quite what we envision today, since the inside was completely hollow, and it was made from cellulose acetate instead of ABS plastic, but the outer shape is pretty much unchanged to this day. Well, the logos on the studs have been updated once or twice, and there was that period of time where some bricks had slots in the sides and/or ends (I actually have one of those), but any original Automatic Binding Brick should be able to connect to any modern LEGO brick and vice versa.
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You mean the studs? They do look a bit undersized. The gap between them should be about 2/3 the width of each stud, where in this image it appears to be closer to a 1:1 ratio.
10/04/09
The best earbuds I've ever heard are the Ultimate Ears UE-10. Loud, clear, eye-blinking impact and $500.
In general I've found that "you get what you pay for" and until recently I would have said that you need to spend at least $300 to get great sound from earphones/buds.
But In my search for the ultimate value in earphones I ran across a surprise. JVC (yeah, I know, JVC? ) has developed a new approach to earphones. They've designed a dynamic driver so small that it fits down inside the ear canal in the tip of the earphone nearer the eardrum. The difference is amazing. For $27 at Amazon http://amzn.com/B001E2SHI0 I can get sound far closer to the quality of $500 earphones than I would have thought possible. Very clear, tight, remarkable low end. Light comfortable, easy to put in (unlike the UEs/Shures). Easily the best value in earphones today.
Now I have a pair of these JVC's in my car, my briefcase and my bedside table and usually in my pocket if they're not in my ears. And I buy them for my friends and family.
10/04/09