A) A cheapass contract phone which while not having a huge amount of minutes has unlimited texting and 3G internet as well as free calls to anyone on the same provider.
B) Has Skype and facebook integrated. Skype is a big draw for me as I can talk to most people I know on it.
I was thinking of getting an iPhone but eh it's not that worthwhile. Don't get me wrong it's still a great phone but you can do a similar job with an iPod Touch and a 3G mifi for a lot less money which is what I'm doing instead.
Depends how much you value a compass, GPS and a camera. Out of those I think I'll only miss the camera and only barely.
If I do pick up a proper smartphone when my contracts up I'll probably go android. I couldn't justify an iPhone after purchasing a 3rd Gen iPod Touch.
@cruzer555: The N900 and iPhone 3GS have the same processor, and the iPhone wins by being thinner and featuring a capacitive screen...
Otherwise the N900 hardware wins in every way. Better primary camera (5 MP with Zeiss lens and dual-LED flash), higher screen resolution (800x480), hardware keyboard, standard micro USB data/power port, micro-SDHC card slot (in addition to the built-in 32 GB of storage), stereo speakers, secondary front-facing camera (VGA), built-in kick stand!
So how the iPhone 3GS hardware better than the N900 again?
I have both devices, and own the iPhone 3GS (the N900 is a review unit), so I'm just being objective here.
@tnkgrl: I admit the camera is better, flash in a phone however is USELESS. The screen resolution is indeed much better, I hope the next iphone will match it. Hardware keyboards SUCK they are a waste of space and slower for typing. Micro USB is worse than ipod dock connector because you can't dock it in a stereo system as easy. Micro SD is not necessary in a 32GB phone. All phone speakers suck, stereo or not. NOBODY needs a front facing camera in a god damn phone!!! Kick stands are useless wastes of space.
Out of all the things you listed, many actually make the N900 WORSE like a crappy hardware keyboard. Only 2 things are better: the screen resolution, and the 1.8 extra megapixels.
It is not worth using such an inferior phone with a pathetic crippled OS (maemo cant even use portrait mode) when the only advantages are more screen resolution (with an awful resistive touch screen) and a SLIGHTLY better camera.
Summary:
-The OS is literally the worst, even windows mobile 6 is better
-The hardware keyboard practically doubles the size and slows down your typing
-It has the worst type of touchscreen, a pathetic, atrocious resistive one
@cruzer555: Have you even used and compared both devices in person? I presume not.
Have you tried the hardware keyboard on the N900? Obviosuly not, since it's pretty decent.
I generally avoid using the flash on any camera (except for fill), but saying it's useless is a bit much...
It's nice to be able to copy a music or videos from the 32 GB of storage to a friend's micro-SD card for them to enjoy on their phone without using Bluetooth or needing a computer - I've done it!
The front-facing camera is useful for video chat software (like Skype) - most people just don't know it's even possible to do this on a phone and assume a laptop is required.
Maemo is one of the best OS's I've ever used on any phone, and I've reviewed quite a few (check my blog: [tnkgrl.wordpress.com]) .
Maemo is pretty much a full-on version of Debian linux with a fast and intuitive touch UI sitting on top.
There's not technical limitation why the UI mostly landscape (the phone app and the picture viewer automatically switch to portrait, BTW).
It's just that the N900 is the successor to the N810/N800/770 Internet tablets, and as such is primarily meant to be used 2-handed in landscape.
Better than Windows Mobile? Are you kidding me? Clearly you don't know what you are talking about. Maemo is a gem.
Have you tried surfing the web with N900? It's pretty much full-on Firefox with Flash 9 support. Name another phone that can do this.
The resistive touchscreen is a hug mistake, I agree :)
@tnkgrl: ANY hardware keyboard withers in comparison to a good touch version.
Front facing camera is useful for skype and stuff, but not useful on a phone. Talking to someone while holding the camera filming your face is not very easy.
Maemo is fast, maybe even a little slick, but it is like a shiny yet EMPTY box. By that I mean, it has very little features in comparison to phones from better manufacturers.
Yes, it technologically can support portrait, but WHY DIDNT THE MORONS AT NOKIA ENABLE IT!?!?
Maemo is a gem... In the roughest of the rough. Windows Mobile is far superior. Running Maemo is like running a stripped out debian, and running windows mobile is like running FULL windows on your phone, complete with file explorer and right click.
Firefox is worse than safari, the only advantage is flash.
By the way, before I saw the flaws, I REALLY WANTED THIS PHONE, it was only after experiencing the drawbacks that I figured I will wait a revision or two.
In conclusion:
In a couple years, when Maemo has been outfitted with all modern features, and they put in a capacitive touch screen, I am sure this will be a wonderful phone to have. I am looking forward to the n91o or whatever they call the next version, which I prey will have capacitive :)
@cruzer555: Sorry, but you lost all credibility when you mentioned "even windows mobile 6 is better [than Maemo]"...
I'm done discussing this with you. I love my iPhone 3GS and my N900 and my Droid and my Pre, all for different reasons!
The smarphone world is clearly getting divided into 2 camps: OS X, Android, WebOS and Maemo at the top, Symbian, BlackBerry OS and Windows Mobile at the bottom.
If you can't see that, I don't have to convince you. Cheers :)
@tnkgrl: You are wrong about the smartphone world. The ONLY good ones are Android and iPhone. Until they get their act together (which they probably won't) they are on the bottom with windows mobile.
@pz: And all those of us using hacked iPhones. $60/month for an iphone and not having to use ATT? Not so bad in my book.
Sure beats the Blackberry I was using before.
@tande04: It's actually *much* improved compared to the 1st Storm, and frankly I think it's much better than the Tour as well--the larger screen is huge plus in my book.
@PaintDrinkingPete: Storm 2? Ha! Check back later if Giz posts "The Worst Smartphones On Every Carrier." (Shoutout to me, Matt, if you run that. Haha.)
I like how Sprint's Touch Pro 2 was left off the list. I think it is the best smartphone/PPC out there right now but people all over Giz and other tech circle love to bash WinMo.
I love my device and look forward to modding it soon.
Jeez, no love for the MyTouch 3g? Running Android 1.6, on an "ok" 3G network with the best customer service and prices. I just got the Google Maps Navigation beta yesterday. Did the Hero get that? Did the Moto Cliq?
Wonder why the MT3G is so despised? Other than the awful name, it's a great device.
@rdaneel72: The Navigation app is available to any Android device running 1.6 or higher. So, the Hero doesn't get it (yet, it likely will once they get the 2.0 update), but most devices will have it now.
Best of Canadian carriers (other than the iPhone, which they all have now):
Bell - Palm Pre (Samsung Galaxy w/Android coming soon)
Telus - HTC Hero
Rogers - LG Eve (with Android, another one not landed in America yet. Awesome keyboard)
Seeing two Motorola phones in the "best phones" article makes me feel like I'm in a time warp. I'm glad they're back, they make great quality handsets.
@Mr_Human: Yeah they fell apart, just less frequently than any other phone of that RAZR era. I mean, cast metal hinges, glass screens and laser cut metal keypads. What was made better than that, at the time? Not that Kyocera or LG crap. Possibly Sony Ericsson, they were good. I'd be happy to see them make a comeback as well.
@Michael C.W. Murphy: I don't get the Lovefest for the Droid. I just returned mine and got a TouchPro 2. Droid doesn't focus all the time. Droid doesn't allow control of Bluetooth device capabilities. Droid doesn't allow e-mail signatures. Droid doesn't allow music equalization. These are just the deficiencies that there are no apps for. Android 2.0? More like 0.2
@LongIslander: I beg to differ... The focus issue was due to a time stamp error in the software... it corrected itself. Droid does allow email signatures... it's in the settings section. There are plenty of apps. All of the apps I used for the iPhone were also available in the android marketplace. I understand your milage may vary. The one thing that is universally agreed upon is that the Droid has EXCELLENT playback fidelity.
The TP2 is still using a 2 year old processor. I like WinMo and I balked on the TP2 specs. The Droid is an outstanding phone, the only thing that would make me get rid of it is if the HD2 comes to the US before my 30 day period is over.
@DustyButt™: And in 24.5 days the focus problem will return. If you can add signatures to your outgoing Exchange e-mails you'll be the first to do so. My point is not that there aren't any apps, my point is that I don't want to download an app from an unknown 3rd party to make the phone do something it is advertised to do. The Droid may have EXCELLENT playback fidelity but is the same true of every set of headphones you'll jack into it? If WinMo is so outdated why do I have an audio equalizer and the cutting edge OS doesn't? Glad you're happy with the Droid. The glaring deficiencies I uncovered in the first two weeks pushed me back to WinMo.
@LongIslander: Easy, dude... like I said... I like WinMo, but the HARDWARE on the TP2 is out dated. There are things that my Sprint Mogul could do out of the box that the iPhone and Droid still can't do.
No, the focus problem won't return because the first update to Android 2.0 happens on December 11th and the focus fix is on the list of changes.
What are you talking about software from 3rd parties? That's a major plus. That's like saying you don't use products from Adobe because they didn't come built in on your computer. WinMo has a huge third party app selection (contrary to popular belief).
For you, the deal breaker for Droid is the fact that it doesn't have an equalizer, yet it does just about everything else that WinMo does? You could atleast say that Android isn't as deeply accessible as WinMo, which I would agree... it isn't. But an equalizer is the division line? ...Really?
Would I really be the first to apply a signature to an email on the Droid? Cool! here we go!
-Open your Email app
-Go to the account inbox
-Open your options list and select settings
-THE FIRST OPTION LISTED IS TO APPEND TEXT AS YOUR EMAIL SIGNATURE.
@RobotVampire: I am in the same boat. I love my TP2. It's probably the most open-ended phone out there. I love the speakerphone and proximity sensor on it too. Much to love and the lag is okay to deal with since I have been dealing with it for a while now. The keyboard is probably the best in the business right with the exception of the omission of the TAB key.
@Dr. Evil Genius: I'm glad to see you picked up the TP2! I lived with my old mogul for over 2 years and got to know WinMo inside out. I mentioned before if I hear a rumor about WinMo getting released with CortexA8 or Snapdragon before my trial period is up I'm going back. It's hard to give up the deep function access, but the smoothness of my Droid is pretty nice and suits my needs RIGHT NOW.
@DustyButt™: Understood sir. You remember I was asking about the TP2 back in the summer. If I can find a WinMo with Snapdragon or Tegra, I may do that upgrade and pass the TP2 to my lady.
That TP1 was horribly built and needs a funeral in the worst way.
@tande04: make a list of those inferior ways, please. if you are goint to drop a dump like that - back it up. Ah, and a .2" smaller screen dosnt count.
@tande04: That's not really true. The Cliq is equal or better than the G1 in every way. The only way I could see an argument for it being lacking is that so far, as far as I've heard, there's been no luck at getting root on it. That's really just a matter of time, though, and it honestly took a while on the G1 as well.
@Badongadoodle: I'll offer some input if you promise to never use the phrase "back up that dump" again. ;-)
The CLIQ (last I checked) was running Android 1.5, which means it's already a generation behind. It also disqualifies it from the GPS app. Additionally, the MOTOBLUR interface is a questionable advantage at best. From what I've seen, the Facebook/Twitter integration gadgets are less than stellar and only provide a chaotic view of your network.
I don't think the G1 is head and shoulders above the CLIQ....but I do think it has a little more dignity. If nothing else because it gets the Google Experience branding instead of MOTOBLUR. Sense and Rachael were good improvements on top of Android. I'm less than convinced that MOTOBLUR has such an advantage.
@Badongadoodle: I'll defer to OCEntertainment here and go further and point out just general build qualities. If Moto put out the best they have with the droid then the cliq is certainly the worst. Every review of motoblur has been less than stellar. The widgets add little but sluggishness. The cliq may have more memory but you lose most of it just with blur (not to mention battery life, which on the g1 has been pretty damn good since 1.6).
Then there are other advantages that are debatable but often pointed out.
5 row QWERTY
Dedicated call keys
Secondary pointing device
So the real question would be what does the cliq have that the G1 doesn't?
5.0 camera which is always a debatable inclusion.
Really though I wasn't really trying to say that the G1 is out and out better. Regardless of any other argument I'd say that everyone agreed that the G1 was a flagship phone for t-mobile. I'm amazed if anyone could really say the same for the cliq. Hell even t-mobile still pimps the MyTouch more then they market the cliq.
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A) A cheapass contract phone which while not having a huge amount of minutes has unlimited texting and 3G internet as well as free calls to anyone on the same provider.
B) Has Skype and facebook integrated. Skype is a big draw for me as I can talk to most people I know on it.
I was thinking of getting an iPhone but eh it's not that worthwhile. Don't get me wrong it's still a great phone but you can do a similar job with an iPod Touch and a 3G mifi for a lot less money which is what I'm doing instead.
Depends how much you value a compass, GPS and a camera. Out of those I think I'll only miss the camera and only barely.
If I do pick up a proper smartphone when my contracts up I'll probably go android. I couldn't justify an iPhone after purchasing a 3rd Gen iPod Touch.
11/24/09
Incidentally, that's what's in my pockets right now (Pre, Droid, 3GS, N900)...
Ah the joys of review units!
11/24/09
And Amazon has yet to ship my n900 :(
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Otherwise the N900 hardware wins in every way. Better primary camera (5 MP with Zeiss lens and dual-LED flash), higher screen resolution (800x480), hardware keyboard, standard micro USB data/power port, micro-SDHC card slot (in addition to the built-in 32 GB of storage), stereo speakers, secondary front-facing camera (VGA), built-in kick stand!
So how the iPhone 3GS hardware better than the N900 again?
I have both devices, and own the iPhone 3GS (the N900 is a review unit), so I'm just being objective here.
11/26/09
Out of all the things you listed, many actually make the N900 WORSE like a crappy hardware keyboard. Only 2 things are better: the screen resolution, and the 1.8 extra megapixels.
It is not worth using such an inferior phone with a pathetic crippled OS (maemo cant even use portrait mode) when the only advantages are more screen resolution (with an awful resistive touch screen) and a SLIGHTLY better camera.
Summary:
-The OS is literally the worst, even windows mobile 6 is better
-The hardware keyboard practically doubles the size and slows down your typing
-It has the worst type of touchscreen, a pathetic, atrocious resistive one
11/27/09
Have you tried the hardware keyboard on the N900? Obviosuly not, since it's pretty decent.
I generally avoid using the flash on any camera (except for fill), but saying it's useless is a bit much...
It's nice to be able to copy a music or videos from the 32 GB of storage to a friend's micro-SD card for them to enjoy on their phone without using Bluetooth or needing a computer - I've done it!
The front-facing camera is useful for video chat software (like Skype) - most people just don't know it's even possible to do this on a phone and assume a laptop is required.
Maemo is one of the best OS's I've ever used on any phone, and I've reviewed quite a few (check my blog: [tnkgrl.wordpress.com]) .
Maemo is pretty much a full-on version of Debian linux with a fast and intuitive touch UI sitting on top.
There's not technical limitation why the UI mostly landscape (the phone app and the picture viewer automatically switch to portrait, BTW).
It's just that the N900 is the successor to the N810/N800/770 Internet tablets, and as such is primarily meant to be used 2-handed in landscape.
Better than Windows Mobile? Are you kidding me? Clearly you don't know what you are talking about. Maemo is a gem.
Have you tried surfing the web with N900? It's pretty much full-on Firefox with Flash 9 support. Name another phone that can do this.
The resistive touchscreen is a hug mistake, I agree :)
11/27/09
Front facing camera is useful for skype and stuff, but not useful on a phone. Talking to someone while holding the camera filming your face is not very easy.
Maemo is fast, maybe even a little slick, but it is like a shiny yet EMPTY box. By that I mean, it has very little features in comparison to phones from better manufacturers.
Yes, it technologically can support portrait, but WHY DIDNT THE MORONS AT NOKIA ENABLE IT!?!?
Maemo is a gem... In the roughest of the rough. Windows Mobile is far superior. Running Maemo is like running a stripped out debian, and running windows mobile is like running FULL windows on your phone, complete with file explorer and right click.
Firefox is worse than safari, the only advantage is flash.
By the way, before I saw the flaws, I REALLY WANTED THIS PHONE, it was only after experiencing the drawbacks that I figured I will wait a revision or two.
In conclusion:
In a couple years, when Maemo has been outfitted with all modern features, and they put in a capacitive touch screen, I am sure this will be a wonderful phone to have. I am looking forward to the n91o or whatever they call the next version, which I prey will have capacitive :)
11/27/09
I'm done discussing this with you. I love my iPhone 3GS and my N900 and my Droid and my Pre, all for different reasons!
The smarphone world is clearly getting divided into 2 camps: OS X, Android, WebOS and Maemo at the top, Symbian, BlackBerry OS and Windows Mobile at the bottom.
If you can't see that, I don't have to convince you. Cheers :)
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Has to be. The service isn't actually that bad, if you're not living out in the middle of nowhere.
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Sure beats the Blackberry I was using before.
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Has there been a good review of that phone? Its biggest point is that it isn't as bad as the first storm.
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That phone was such a disappointment on so many levels I was really amazed that they called the second one the Storm 2.
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I want to play with it and I think it could be a new flagship for it.
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When t-mobile releases it (like rumored) it would probably make the list.
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I love my device and look forward to modding it soon.
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Wonder why the MT3G is so despised? Other than the awful name, it's a great device.
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Bell - Palm Pre (Samsung Galaxy w/Android coming soon)
Telus - HTC Hero
Rogers - LG Eve (with Android, another one not landed in America yet. Awesome keyboard)
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The TP2 is still using a 2 year old processor. I like WinMo and I balked on the TP2 specs. The Droid is an outstanding phone, the only thing that would make me get rid of it is if the HD2 comes to the US before my 30 day period is over.
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Of course I've been using WinMo for a while now and I'm really familiar with it, warts and all, so I'm sure that colors my opinion somewhat.
11/24/09
No, the focus problem won't return because the first update to Android 2.0 happens on December 11th and the focus fix is on the list of changes.
What are you talking about software from 3rd parties? That's a major plus. That's like saying you don't use products from Adobe because they didn't come built in on your computer. WinMo has a huge third party app selection (contrary to popular belief).
For you, the deal breaker for Droid is the fact that it doesn't have an equalizer, yet it does just about everything else that WinMo does? You could atleast say that Android isn't as deeply accessible as WinMo, which I would agree... it isn't. But an equalizer is the division line? ...Really?
Would I really be the first to apply a signature to an email on the Droid? Cool! here we go!
-Open your Email app
-Go to the account inbox
-Open your options list and select settings
-THE FIRST OPTION LISTED IS TO APPEND TEXT AS YOUR EMAIL SIGNATURE.
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That TP1 was horribly built and needs a funeral in the worst way.
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Used to be there was no question you'd see the G1 on there but now admittedly its a little outdated and t-mobile insists on holding on to it.
Time to make something happen T-mobile.
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What I was really getting at was that the Cliq is a far inferior phone to the G1 in most ways.
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The CLIQ (last I checked) was running Android 1.5, which means it's already a generation behind. It also disqualifies it from the GPS app. Additionally, the MOTOBLUR interface is a questionable advantage at best. From what I've seen, the Facebook/Twitter integration gadgets are less than stellar and only provide a chaotic view of your network.
I don't think the G1 is head and shoulders above the CLIQ....but I do think it has a little more dignity. If nothing else because it gets the Google Experience branding instead of MOTOBLUR. Sense and Rachael were good improvements on top of Android. I'm less than convinced that MOTOBLUR has such an advantage.
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Then there are other advantages that are debatable but often pointed out.
5 row QWERTY
Dedicated call keys
Secondary pointing device
So the real question would be what does the cliq have that the G1 doesn't?
5.0 camera which is always a debatable inclusion.
Really though I wasn't really trying to say that the G1 is out and out better. Regardless of any other argument I'd say that everyone agreed that the G1 was a flagship phone for t-mobile. I'm amazed if anyone could really say the same for the cliq. Hell even t-mobile still pimps the MyTouch more then they market the cliq.