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Step 1: Market a device for two whole years
Step 2: Issue a price drop a few months before the holiday season
Step 3: Remain the exclusive retailer for said device
Step 4: ????
Step 5: Profit! (To an extent that is completely and intentionally unclear to everyone!)
I don't see how this is misleading or confusing in any way. Amazon sells more Kindles than any other product they offer on their site. It's a straightforward statement, and a pretty decent marketing tool.
@Segador: I agree - it is no more misleading than claiming the iPhone is the number one selling smart phone when it completely ignores total BlackBerry sales or sales of standard cell phones. The only part that is confusing to me is why they publish this information on their web site. Since we clearly must all own Kindles by now, they should just announce it there instead. Web sites are soooo 1998.
@Segador: Oh, it's definitely good marketing. And there's nothing morally wrong about it, either. That said, I'd rather report it with as much context as possible instead of just repeating the press release with awe, which is what most folks seem to be doing.
@Segador: It is misleading because you are comparing an exclusive item (one which can ONLY be obtained through amazon) to amazon's other offerings which are non-exclusive and can be obtained at many other retailers both online and local. Comparing the numbers of an exclusive item with non-exclusive items is not a fair comparison and really doesn't tell the whole story, therefore, it is misleading. For a statement like this to hold some water, they would need to show what percentage of total sales (among all retailers for the item in question) that were made through amazon for some of their other best selling items. For example if the second best selling item (the item that the kindle beat out for best seller) were a video game, that may sound impressive that the kindle beat it in sales, until you find out what percent of the video game's total sales were made through amazon. If it were 5%, for example, (and the other 95% were through other stores, both online and local), then there were actually 20x more sales of that video game than the number amazon used for the kindle comparison. This doesn't make their statement false, only misleading. Make sense?
None of this is to say that the sales numbers aren't impressive. Maybe they are, but based solely on their statement, it's really hard to tell for sure.
Though, you're right, misleading or not, it's a pretty good marketing tool. A statement like that makes a lot of people take a closer look at the kindle to decide if they need one for themselves.
@pj_rage: If some people take their statement to mean "More Kindles have been sold than copies of Modern Warfare 2", then I can see where you're coming from. Amazon's ad folks have just spun a "correct" statement to best reflect their product.
That's true. They really are just saying that it has outsold everything else they sell. That's fair and not misleading of them to say. But it's hard to tell if this statement is really impressive or not, without any numbers behind anything.
Think of this example. If I were a company and I offered 1 million different items, and I sold 10 of each of those items in a year, I would have sold 10 million items that year. I'd have moved a lot of items. If I then introduced a new item and it sold ten times as many units as any other item - a total of 100 units, I would say it's my best selling item by far - factor of 10x. Since I move a lot of product (10 million items per year!!) that would seemingly mean something (to people who don't know the numbers) to say that it's my best seller. But, is 100 units really all that impressive?
Granted that is an extreme example just to get my point across. Do you see the problem here? The overall problem is two-fold I guess (as I see it). We have no idea how many units were sold, so we don't know how impressive the statement "amazon's best seller" is for ANY item, never mind the kindle, and on top of that, it's not surprising that it has (relatively) high sales, because everything else they offer can be bought anywhere, but the kindle cannot be.
Still the statement is true, and I'm sure we can all realize that it is not completely meaningless that it is the case. In my mind it's just a matter of how meaningful it truly is.
I was and still am rooting for the B&N reader in this unnecessary book reader war. At least they can get their giggles in before some serious tablets come about.
@BergenCountyJC can't beat MW2: The Nook is nicer but I keep going back to the books. The first rule of consumer computers is software first, hardware second. It's what led Microsoft to being the number 1 software company in the world (at least at the time) because they created the best software. It's the same thing here: the Nook can have the best experience possible and offer it for very cheap but if it doesn't have the books I want then the entire device is worthless. I go to Amazon and shop for hardcover non-fiction and find a great deal of new books are on the Kindle - not necessarily so for the Nook.
And honestly, this entire thing sounds like another format war - like Blu-Ray vs. HD DVD. Various publishers will go with one e-Reader (i.e. like Disney went with Blu-Ray) or another (like how Universal was with HD-DVD) and some will support both (i.e. Warner Brothers or Paramount iirc). But eventually, publishers will start going to one device because that's where the customers are, and either the Nook or the Kindle will die out. The Nook isn't exactly late to the party but like any format war, its future is uncertain.
The only way out is to establish a common e-Book format that will work on everyone's reader, allowing competition between multiple stores and multiple devices and ensuring that customers don't get ripped off with movies (ahem, books) being trapped to an obsolete reader.
To be fair though, Amazon is the seconds biggest online retailer. Granted, they rank at only about 5% of what Wal-Mart does with its B&M stores, but it's still nothing to sneeze at. So the Kindle is definitely the big fish in a pond that is actually pretty large.
@SpartanOLP: that's what I initially thought, but apparently Wal-Mart.com outranks them in traffic. I could be wrong though, and Amazon might be bigger in terms of online revenue. I didn't put that much time into research because 1) I hadn't had my coffee B) I'm lazy and iii) I don't care that much.
Can anyone clarify whether or not the 85% increase in Wireless-on battery life is for both the U.S. and Int'l versions of the Kindle 2? This press release seems to conflict with reports elsewhere.
@pdditty: Well, dagnabit. It appears that you are correct. [e-bookvine.com] Turning off the wireless between syncs isn't hard, it's just an avoidable hassle. Maybe in a future update, "Sync" will just switch the wireless on, download new data, and switch it off. It seems easy enough.
@Anthony Sarkees: If the wireless is turned off how would the Kindle know when there is a new firmware available? Maybe it could do a weekly/monthly "phone home".
@Fractal the Meek: I have both the DX and the 2. The DX looks almost the same except that the PDF's are more zoomed in. On the 2 it's still too small for most PDFs except when you turn it landscape.
@Noobs-R-Us: Damn your objective honesty. I wanted to hear, "Oh, it's fantastic and comes with puppies and rainbows! It's just what you've been waiting for."
Either it was an impressive feat of engineering, or the software was written so poorly it took six months to fix it, or what they were intending all along. They get to double dip (GEORGE!) the same product. They got a boost of sales at launch, were expecting a downturn, and now they can say 85% better battery life, the New Kindle. It's all a marketing ploy in my opinion.
@daftrok: Yeah, that large an increase seems only possible if there were major inefficiencies to start with. At least it's still free for people who bought it earlier.
@Segador: Yep. Generally that is part of the early adopter tax. But on the bright side you got to read lots of books on a device that's a good deal more convenient than paper. I'm still happy with my gen1 Kindle. I don't really care about the PDF so much since most of my PDFs are formatted for letter/A4 and wouldn't work well on a small screen. Reflowable text works fine but then it also converts fine. Lots of readers can list PDF support as a feature. That doesn't mean it works well. I'm going to wait to upgrade until either my Kindle breaks or some great new screen tech comes out.
I've already made up my mind to get a Kindle for Christmas. I developed a strong desire to go digital with my books now that I find myself moving again and the truth is that while the DRM for the Kindle books kind of suck the price for the unit is slightly more justified compared to the alternatives because it allows you to download books anywhere you can get cell phone reception at no additional cost which at least for me is the biggest perk of all.
I long for the day then color e-books readers are cheap enough to get an option and comic books companies embrace digital distribution because then I can get rid of all of my comic books too. Even if you only read 3-5 a month those things start taking up significant amounts of space in a short amount of time. I'm about to fill my second long box in 4 years.
@Jesse Mrozowski: The only problem is that you're forever stuck with Amazon. If they only have crappy eReaders from now on you'll have to live with the shame of being seen with it.
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Step 1: Market a device for two whole years
Step 2: Issue a price drop a few months before the holiday season
Step 3: Remain the exclusive retailer for said device
Step 4: ????
Step 5: Profit! (To an extent that is completely and intentionally unclear to everyone!)
Sorry John, I just had to.
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Of course, it's obvious that the Kindle didn't outsell the iPod Touch by a long shot, but I am wondering what actual Kindle sales figures are... hmm.
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None of this is to say that the sales numbers aren't impressive. Maybe they are, but based solely on their statement, it's really hard to tell for sure.
Though, you're right, misleading or not, it's a pretty good marketing tool. A statement like that makes a lot of people take a closer look at the kindle to decide if they need one for themselves.
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That's true. They really are just saying that it has outsold everything else they sell. That's fair and not misleading of them to say. But it's hard to tell if this statement is really impressive or not, without any numbers behind anything.
Think of this example. If I were a company and I offered 1 million different items, and I sold 10 of each of those items in a year, I would have sold 10 million items that year. I'd have moved a lot of items. If I then introduced a new item and it sold ten times as many units as any other item - a total of 100 units, I would say it's my best selling item by far - factor of 10x. Since I move a lot of product (10 million items per year!!) that would seemingly mean something (to people who don't know the numbers) to say that it's my best seller. But, is 100 units really all that impressive?
Granted that is an extreme example just to get my point across. Do you see the problem here? The overall problem is two-fold I guess (as I see it). We have no idea how many units were sold, so we don't know how impressive the statement "amazon's best seller" is for ANY item, never mind the kindle, and on top of that, it's not surprising that it has (relatively) high sales, because everything else they offer can be bought anywhere, but the kindle cannot be.
Still the statement is true, and I'm sure we can all realize that it is not completely meaningless that it is the case. In my mind it's just a matter of how meaningful it truly is.
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And honestly, this entire thing sounds like another format war - like Blu-Ray vs. HD DVD. Various publishers will go with one e-Reader (i.e. like Disney went with Blu-Ray) or another (like how Universal was with HD-DVD) and some will support both (i.e. Warner Brothers or Paramount iirc). But eventually, publishers will start going to one device because that's where the customers are, and either the Nook or the Kindle will die out. The Nook isn't exactly late to the party but like any format war, its future is uncertain.
The only way out is to establish a common e-Book format that will work on everyone's reader, allowing competition between multiple stores and multiple devices and ensuring that customers don't get ripped off with movies (ahem, books) being trapped to an obsolete reader.
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I long for the day then color e-books readers are cheap enough to get an option and comic books companies embrace digital distribution because then I can get rid of all of my comic books too. Even if you only read 3-5 a month those things start taking up significant amounts of space in a short amount of time. I'm about to fill my second long box in 4 years.
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