If everything is going to be 'cloud' and ran off of 'servers' at other locations, who is paying the bills on those servers? Who is keeping them up and managing the content? How do you justify a free OS with this type of built in legacy costs?
Oh, I know how. Ads. Your computer will not have to have an adblocker. Your computer will boot up and shut down the latest deals from Foot Locker. In the middle of writing a paper? A pop up will remind you to get a new McCafe since you have been working really hard.
I see people saying someone wants to own their own media, I think there are people who like owning their own software, so to speak.
I was so in favor of the Chrome OS till I read the news and drew my own conclusions. Back to Ubunt-land I go.
I don't know about this analysis. I mean, don't get me wrong, a lot of stuff here is good. For a truly web-dedicated device, bandwidth would, as always, need to be increased. The structure of web apps would need to adapt.
But, personally I believe this kind of misses the point. I don't think the initiative of Chrome OS is to simply move everything to the web. I mean, take video editing for example. Why? Video editing isn't typically a very "portable" task. Either a video edit is a big project that could use a dedicated workstation (or an internal local network, as in a small production house), where uploading hundreds of gigabytes of data would be a waste of time, or it's a live, happening-now kind of video taken from a phone where maybe some basic trimming tasks would be done real quick then uploaded. I'm open to suggestions, but I can't think of a video editing job where you would benefit from uploading video to a server then editing it from any and all computers you could log into. It's just unnecessary.
Honestly, I really don't think Chrome OS is intended to be the game-changing replacement OS people were expecting it to be. Much like the netbooks themselves. When I first heard of a laptop without an optical drive and minimal (comparatively) amounts of storage space, I laughed. But they caught on, and for good reason. Namely, they were targeted devices that didn't aim to do everything, but what it does do, it does well. And cheaply.
Chrome OS, from what we've seen today, flat out does not have what it takes to dethrone Windows, OS X, or any Linux flavor as a desktop OS. And I doubt it ever will. But given the right amount of support from web app developers (because really, it's mostly in their hands), Chrome OS has everything it takes to make one kick ass netbook. For some people.
@OCEntertainment: There's a rumor that the whole reason that many computer manufacturers are supporting Chrome is for one reason. It's free, and that will let them put some pressure on MS to reduce prices for their OS.
They don't particularly want to use it, but if they threaten MS with it, well, MS'll have to drop it's prices, they'll switch back, and everyone is happy.
@Tom90deg: That would be an insanely idiotic thing for a device manufacturer to do.
If they were to switch over to a product they thought was good, that'd be one thing. Folks start buying non-Windows computers, MS loses money, then they start getting more competitive with their prices. But if device manufacturers start putting an OS they have zero confidence in, MS would be all "Good luck, suckers!"
You actually can compete with free. And if free sucked, if free didn't move computers off the shelves, MS prices would stay right where they are.
Free may be a helpful motivating factor, but it is not the only reason manufacturers would consider supporting it.
I think what ChromeOS really needs is a compelling form factor. I'm thinking something along the lines of all the iTablet ideas we've seen floating around over the past year.
Decent wireless broadband is important, but not a huge jump over what we have today. Fundamentally, Google is creating a very smart dumb-terminal. You don't necessarily need an ultra-fast internet connection to edit large data-sets (like big image files) because the dataset lives on a server off in a datacentre somewhere, and ChromeOS is simply a presentation layer. It doesn't need the full 100GB dataset to work with, just enough to present to you a working view. If you want to apply some sort of filter to the dataset it gets applied on the remote server, rather than on your local hardware.
And even then, how often are we editing large datasets? Are you really going to do a lot of image editing on a little portable device, or would you rather do it on a proper machine with a big, calibrated monitor? I don't even do work on laptops, I find them woefully insufficient for my needs... mine is relegated to just webbrowsing these days.
The workstation will never die, but I see something like this stomping the life out of the notebook and netbook markets.
I would like to be more skeptical about all of this but seeing as to how Apple does most of this stuff with the iPhone and how much people love it I can see people latching on to chrome.
I however am a geek. I tinker, build my own PC and play games and leave media player running in the background. I use my PC as a DVR and stream it to my XBox. I personally have very little interest in Chrome OS as anything other than a dual boot but I am in no way the typical American. In a way that makes my heart sad.
@yantelope: I'm a huge geek and I'd love a device running ChromeOS and only ChromeOS. It won't replace my PC, but it would be an incredible supplement. And it WOULD replace my laptop.
@yantelope: I could be wrong, but the distinction I understand is that Chrome will be the iPhone before the SDK. That is not to say that an entirely web-based world for computing cannot work - it can, but not without end users giving up a bunch of capabilities, or the web based world catching up with some fairly common computing practices. If the goal is merely to browse the web, listen to Pandora, read email in Gmail, and play on Facebook - then GoogOS will be lovely. If you want a full music storage system or photo editor - suddenly this web based idea starts to look really muddy.
That said, I know better than to bet against Google. They always have a google of tricks up their sleeves.
@grimdeath9740: Yes, I suppose that is the muddy part since they are building an OS for network technology (not to mention the network to go with it) that does not really exist yet today. For the moment, the OS is great for giving to family members that only need web browsing and email, but geeks have some waiting to do before it will serve our needs - if it ever will. Here's hoping.
@jepzilla: I don't get it. I really don't. What is the use case here? You, as a geek, can buy a netbook TODAY with an SSD and ubuntu, only use a browser and you have 100% of the features of this product. So why are you excited? What does Chrome offer here? Faster boot times??
@protohiro: It's like going back to 59B.C. and asking what's so exciting about Caesar going to Gaul. I mean, lots of people had been to Gaul, so what's the big deal? Well, the realm of 'what's possible' changes, quite dramatically, when the size and scope of an organization increases. When Caesar marched to Gaul, his armies built roads as they traveled. The established administration centers. Those roads still exist today, and the Roman legal, political and administrative systems were the foundation of our modern states.
Now, Google is like the Roman army. If they want to march towards HTML+JavaScript powered thin-but-smart-clients, I'm happy and excited to follow along behind. They have a vision and they have a history of success under their belt. ChromeOS itself is a little boring, but it's the potential ecosystem that could exist to support it that excites me.
Now, I'm not sure exactly what they'll build, but I think there's a good chance it'll be really fucking cool.
A coworker's daughter just upgraded - she's been on Ubuntu for a few years.
Since this update, she has no sound whatsoever from her laptop. Apparently this is not uncommon from this update, and not fixed according to her.
Unfortunately it also shows that while it's great if everything works - if it stops working, good luck fixing it without increasing your knowledge of the OS a hundredfold...
@Nathan Obbards: As for me, I'm still waiting to see a single example of Google actually misusing this power for malicious purposes. As opposed to potentially misusing it. But that's just me. ;-)
@OCEntertainment: I think Google has held up a reputation of keeping your information secure, but I don't like the idea of EVERYTHING being stored in the cloud. Seems like it might be inconvenient.
@darkmonk04: That's a good point. Google recently started some kind of initiative to give you an out if you want to pull your data from their servers and go somewhere else with it. So maybe that will be helpful. Perhaps, though, a piece of software for offline syncing would be in order? I mean, I realize "syncing" is kind of the opposite of the point here, but I really truly doubt Google's dumb enough to think that folks will entrust their entire workflow to internet availability. Not with as often as people lose connectivity/servers go down.
I've been using 9.10 for about a month now, and everything was perfect, until I booted last night and it returned "cannot mount root" due to "unrecognizable file system". Fooey bananas, at least my XP partition still works... I guess...
I really like the UI styling of the NBR. And the touchpad on my asus eee 900a finally works properly with this release. So I have gone Xandros, Easy Peasy, vanilla Ubuntu 8.10, then 9.04, back to easy peasy, Win 7 and finally to 9.10. This release feels like the one that might finally stick.
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Oh, I know how. Ads. Your computer will not have to have an adblocker. Your computer will boot up and shut down the latest deals from Foot Locker. In the middle of writing a paper? A pop up will remind you to get a new McCafe since you have been working really hard.
I see people saying someone wants to own their own media, I think there are people who like owning their own software, so to speak.
I was so in favor of the Chrome OS till I read the news and drew my own conclusions. Back to Ubunt-land I go.
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But, personally I believe this kind of misses the point. I don't think the initiative of Chrome OS is to simply move everything to the web. I mean, take video editing for example. Why? Video editing isn't typically a very "portable" task. Either a video edit is a big project that could use a dedicated workstation (or an internal local network, as in a small production house), where uploading hundreds of gigabytes of data would be a waste of time, or it's a live, happening-now kind of video taken from a phone where maybe some basic trimming tasks would be done real quick then uploaded. I'm open to suggestions, but I can't think of a video editing job where you would benefit from uploading video to a server then editing it from any and all computers you could log into. It's just unnecessary.
Honestly, I really don't think Chrome OS is intended to be the game-changing replacement OS people were expecting it to be. Much like the netbooks themselves. When I first heard of a laptop without an optical drive and minimal (comparatively) amounts of storage space, I laughed. But they caught on, and for good reason. Namely, they were targeted devices that didn't aim to do everything, but what it does do, it does well. And cheaply.
Chrome OS, from what we've seen today, flat out does not have what it takes to dethrone Windows, OS X, or any Linux flavor as a desktop OS. And I doubt it ever will. But given the right amount of support from web app developers (because really, it's mostly in their hands), Chrome OS has everything it takes to make one kick ass netbook. For some people.
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They don't particularly want to use it, but if they threaten MS with it, well, MS'll have to drop it's prices, they'll switch back, and everyone is happy.
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If they were to switch over to a product they thought was good, that'd be one thing. Folks start buying non-Windows computers, MS loses money, then they start getting more competitive with their prices. But if device manufacturers start putting an OS they have zero confidence in, MS would be all "Good luck, suckers!"
You actually can compete with free. And if free sucked, if free didn't move computers off the shelves, MS prices would stay right where they are.
Free may be a helpful motivating factor, but it is not the only reason manufacturers would consider supporting it.
11/19/09
I am. and the bandwidth caps and overage charges living in the 'cloud' will bring.
not everyone is lucky enough to get unlimited internet.
the choice for this house is cable, with a bandwidth cap, or dial up at 56k. thats it. and no moving is not an option.
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Decent wireless broadband is important, but not a huge jump over what we have today. Fundamentally, Google is creating a very smart dumb-terminal. You don't necessarily need an ultra-fast internet connection to edit large data-sets (like big image files) because the dataset lives on a server off in a datacentre somewhere, and ChromeOS is simply a presentation layer. It doesn't need the full 100GB dataset to work with, just enough to present to you a working view. If you want to apply some sort of filter to the dataset it gets applied on the remote server, rather than on your local hardware.
And even then, how often are we editing large datasets? Are you really going to do a lot of image editing on a little portable device, or would you rather do it on a proper machine with a big, calibrated monitor? I don't even do work on laptops, I find them woefully insufficient for my needs... mine is relegated to just webbrowsing these days.
The workstation will never die, but I see something like this stomping the life out of the notebook and netbook markets.
11/19/09
I must download this and try it out.
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I however am a geek. I tinker, build my own PC and play games and leave media player running in the background. I use my PC as a DVR and stream it to my XBox. I personally have very little interest in Chrome OS as anything other than a dual boot but I am in no way the typical American. In a way that makes my heart sad.
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That said, I know better than to bet against Google. They always have a google of tricks up their sleeves.
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Yes we ALL know that IE cant edit video like Final Pro but what if it could? That is what Google is trying to provid here.
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Now, Google is like the Roman army. If they want to march towards HTML+JavaScript powered thin-but-smart-clients, I'm happy and excited to follow along behind. They have a vision and they have a history of success under their belt. ChromeOS itself is a little boring, but it's the potential ecosystem that could exist to support it that excites me.
Now, I'm not sure exactly what they'll build, but I think there's a good chance it'll be really fucking cool.
11/19/09
Since this update, she has no sound whatsoever from her laptop. Apparently this is not uncommon from this update, and not fixed according to her.
Unfortunately it also shows that while it's great if everything works - if it stops working, good luck fixing it without increasing your knowledge of the OS a hundredfold...
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''ALL data in Chrome OS is in the cloud.''
My biggest fear has been confirmed. No Chrome OS for me.
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the main question then is hardware support and how are they going to get manufacturers to support it?
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@Slightly Bigger Than Wee Jock But Not So Big as Middle-Sized Jock Jock: Yeah I think I'll wait until 10.04 for my next upgrade.
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Seriously people, read the comments before you fire one off, mmmmkay?