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I love it... not the most useful thing now since my car tells me most of that, but it's right up my alley. If they made it project onto the windshield as a reflection HUD, I'd be there. #ecoroutesesp
Pretty clever, actually... and it would probably give better routing estimates, having realtime data on your speed, idle, gas mileage, etc.
I foresee many GPS vs. Android comments here, but I think it's not necessarily a fight to the death. There is obviously a market for both, and it's a matter of each providing flexible featuresets that offer additional added value that benefits the intended user. Could phone-based GPS eventually supplant dedicated units? Possibly. But, I see the dedicated GPS companies crossing over before any final "death blow" is dealt. #ecoroutesesp
I don't see how Google Maps could beat a dedicated GPS unit. I do a lot of research on GPS units and have roadtested several, the dedicated units always beat the phone based, hands down. And who wants to be forced to use a data plan to get your maps? I want all my maps on the device. Only phone based GPS that I could see rivialing a dedicated unit was iGuidance, technically it isn't for phones but can be hacked to run on a WM touchscreen phone easily. #ecoroutesesp
@Mozoltov: Well I think the Google Nav thing is aimed at people like, well, me. I have a smartphone and always will. Since I already have that, this cuts out the need for a basic GPS unit, which I also have.
I have a Garmin 750, and it is very useful, especially in Canada, where I refuse to turn my data roaming on. I can still navigate, and know the speed limit wherever I am. But honestly, if I had a Droid, I wouldn't need the Garmin for trips inside the US.
The point of Google Nav isn't that it's going to kill dedicated GPS units, it's going to force them to innovate. This is a perfect example. Here's a GPS that does much more than a smartphone easily could.
Garmin and TomTom et al need to come up with things for their devices to do that go far beyond the capabilities of a navi-phone. Like HUDs, integration with a non-navi smartphone, using its data connection to download free traffic data, etc. #ecoroutesesp
@Mozoltov, motherfucker: I remember early, dedicated, GPS units being quite unreliable, unwieldy and a chore to program. Over the years they've grown to become extremely efficient and user-friendly devices that have added many additional (and often useless) features. My point being, I can envision that phone-based GPS could grow more mature, reliable and efficient within a short time. There's absolutely the possibility of maps being stored locally, and having additional features reivalling dedicated units. As GPS units have grown into PMPs, bluetooth interfaces and web connections, so too have phones become more of a platform than a dedicated device. The convergence between them, with most phones having GPS functionality, is inevitable. I think, within a short time, we'll see the two being on even footing, and competing in a healthy way, with many benefits to consumers. #ecoroutesesp
@Stikman008: In my experience ease of use and feature bloat. I am currently using Copilot Live on my G1 since my nuvi bit the bullet. The UI is absolutely horrible, don't know what the designer was thinking, definitely not finger friendly, who uses styli any more? And you have to go through several pages of stuff to find what you need, I find the tree analogy of how menus are set up to be the most efficient. Have the main features you need on top and if you want to get more things you dig down deeper in the tree, the tree gets wider as you get to the bottom. #ecoroutesesp
@met2art: I don't see smartphone GPS units going towards local maps, almost all of them out there are data based. They don't want to do that because they assume that if you have a smartphone you are going to have a data connection, like 99% of smartphone owners (I totally made that stat up) so streaming the maps is their first option. It could happen that both platforms are on equal ground but I don't see that happening for a while. I could be wrong. #ecoroutesesp
@Mozoltov, motherfucker: Some third-party GPS apps (such as Copilot Live) for Android have maps stored locally, on the SD card. Google GPS uses a data connection, but that could change. As most phones (and all Android phones) have extensible storage via SD card, there is certainly the option to have on-board map data supplemented by data-connection when possible. Is it perfect for everyone? Probably not, but as a free service (that even in beta performs exceptionally well) it is likely to become quite popular, especially if it gains cross-platform support. Will it overthrow Garmin or Tom Tom? Probably not (at least not anytime soon) but it will suddenly give many people GPS anywhere, at any time, at no additional cost, and with potentialy endless ancillary benefits that only a layered, open-source and free system, can provide.
To sum up, I doubt Garmin or Tom Tom are getting coffin fittings, but I would place substantial bets that they are having lots of meetings and conferences to see what they can do to shore up their value-added revenue stream. #ecoroutesesp
Actually the ads go away when the vehicle is in motion, so the whole 'causing an accident while thumbing the ad out of the way at 80MPH' is a non-issue. And in any case, you can't dismiss the ad by touching it - when you touch the ad it actually does a search and presents a list of locations in your area for the subject of the ad (Best Westerns, Walgreen's, etc.). I'm still not exactly sure how you're supposed to redeem the coupon or whatever when you get there though, since you can't call up the ads again at will.
The ads are a trade-off for the traffic updates, which can be turned off - if you disable traffic, you won't see the ads any more either. In my experience, at least in my area, the traffic is pretty much useless so I turned it off. Most of the time, by the time the GPS gets the update and indicates traffic ahead, you're already in it.
From what I know about GPS's (admittedly, not all that much, except I love my Nuvi), I could see room for improvement in terms of real time traffic updates, GPS's that learn your preferences, better route planning and tracking linked to better computer syncing, smarter navigation, and better graphics.
I'm appalled at the attitude of the author. Really!
To say something along the lines of "this is as good as it gets, there just can't be any more improvements or developments" is just nuts for Anyone to say, and it's being said by a Gizmodo author?!?!
I thought the whole point of this site was the progression, development, refinement, and advancement of the gadgetry world.
To say that Anything couldn't be improved upon At All should carry the mark of heresy around these parts. Off with his head!
I could think of a dozen ways to improve the PND space, and that's just off the top of my head. Game changing ideas, like device-to-device communication; auto-updating maps; voice control; integration with cell phones for on-demand data; photo-realistic satellite map imagery with real-time local cloud-cover data.....
There's no end to the types of innovations they could still make with these things. IMO, they're just getting started. But it seems that poor Wilson's GPS has told him that it's all just a dead-end road. I look forward to his next piece entitled: "640K should be enough memory for anybody's GPS."
@Mondoz: When was the last time you read a DVD player review on Gizmodo? When was the last time you read a review of FM transmitters, or HDD-based music players or cameraphones? Mark my words, equilibrium has been reached, and when it is, in any category, we ease back on our attentions. Heresy? More like the nature of the beat. The wheel was cutting edge technology once, but I don't see any gadget blog writing about it now.
"Apparent Nokia N97 Mini Shrinks by Shedding Useless D-Pad"
http://gizmodo.com/5325856
And a review for an FM transmitter back in June:
"Belkin's TuneCast GPS-Assisted FM Transmitter Is Like Putting a DVR Into a VHS Player"
http://gizmodo.com/5278881
You do actually read the site you write for, yes?
Apparently the other "as good as it gets" areas of technology you mention are chugging along with new developments.
Mark my words, we're nowhere near 'equilibrium' on these devices, and I'll bet we see more GPS devices on Giz in the future.
I'll keep this thread updated as you guys review more in the future.
Ok, so, let me figure this out. The device uses no-subscription-cost, public GPS signals to operate. It gets traffic updates from a no-subscription-cost, public radio network. And yet the device displays ads which cannot be turned off, are presumably updated periodically (slipped into map updates?) and potentially expandable in scope, and which presumably net ongoing annual revenue for Garmin.
Shouldn't this device be free? Or the map updates, at least? Or at least heavily subsidized, in either case? Isn't that the entire point of an "ad supported" business model? Or is this just Garmin exploiting its customers without giving them anything in return?
i doubt this is the end of PNDs. i can see a future where each one can communicate to each other and report areas of high/slow traffic, etc. instead of just receiving traffic reports, they could be generating them in real time.
i'm sure there's tons of other improvements as well.
@willyolio: That already happened. It was called the Dash, and it died because of poor timing and the advent of GPS-enabled smartphones that people actually want to buy.
just when the senate is talking of banning text messaging, GARMIN comes along and puts up ads on navigation devices?? how frustrating is that? Who assumes the liability when you're trying to thumb the ad out of the way while barrelling down at 80MPH and cause an accident? Retarded! I love my Garmin 205 which i got for $100 but I will can't justify paying $300+ for an invasion of my privacy. At least with my radio when i don't want to hear ads i can turn them off. this is ridiculous Garmin take it away!
@Ali Khan: You really can't blame gadgets for the acts of idiots. I don't know if they won, but there have already been a handful of lawsuits by, what has to be the very bottom of the stupid-fucking-moron genepool, people who drove off a cliff or into a house because their, "navigation system told me to". I thought our parents warned us about not doing something just because someone told us to.
"If Jimmy's GPS navigation system told him to jump off a cliff, would you?"
"Well, I don't know, mom. Even though I am flying around at 80mph in a 2 ton vehicle and have no regard for the others around me, I might be too busy combing my hair and reading a newspaper and texting my friends about all the people I'm running over to even notice what the GPSNAV system is talking about."
I know this question gets more ridiculous as time goes on, but whatever happened to being liable for our own actions?
@madog: I totally agree with you that we need to be personally responsible and I can tell you the first time i ever had a GPS (a Garmin sleeve for my Compaq Ipaq) i almost caused a couple of accidents. Since then I've learned to only put in locations while stopped, however i know other drivers probably aren't as chicken shit as me and i'm just worried someone looking at a coupon for Mickey D's may end up hurting someone else. Having lived in Michigan adn LA with some off the worst drivers I know there's enough distrcations on the road already more visual noise is just asking for trouble. maybe a seperate screen just to show ads could be a compromise?
@Ali Khan: The ads are ridiculous, and could potentially be a horrible distraction for those who are easily distracted. Also, I think all current vehicles that ship with GPS force you to be stopped when you add a destination; hopefully some of the new after market ones include accelerometers or something similar to prevent that as well.
@32ndnote:
Dude if it could do that automatically and tell you it, yet work across all brands including the ones already in cars it would be soooooo awesome
@jakeyjohn1: The Dash at least does that now with it's own devices. And since they're moving away from making h/w themselves towards licensing their tech, we may just get that :)
11/05/09
11/05/09
If it's out, i'm using it, for the GPS.
Though the OBD-II bluetooth dongle thing is pretty cool. #ecoroutesesp
11/05/09
I foresee many GPS vs. Android comments here, but I think it's not necessarily a fight to the death. There is obviously a market for both, and it's a matter of each providing flexible featuresets that offer additional added value that benefits the intended user. Could phone-based GPS eventually supplant dedicated units? Possibly. But, I see the dedicated GPS companies crossing over before any final "death blow" is dealt. #ecoroutesesp
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I have a Garmin 750, and it is very useful, especially in Canada, where I refuse to turn my data roaming on. I can still navigate, and know the speed limit wherever I am. But honestly, if I had a Droid, I wouldn't need the Garmin for trips inside the US.
The point of Google Nav isn't that it's going to kill dedicated GPS units, it's going to force them to innovate. This is a perfect example. Here's a GPS that does much more than a smartphone easily could.
Garmin and TomTom et al need to come up with things for their devices to do that go far beyond the capabilities of a navi-phone. Like HUDs, integration with a non-navi smartphone, using its data connection to download free traffic data, etc. #ecoroutesesp
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To sum up, I doubt Garmin or Tom Tom are getting coffin fittings, but I would place substantial bets that they are having lots of meetings and conferences to see what they can do to shore up their value-added revenue stream. #ecoroutesesp
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The ads are a trade-off for the traffic updates, which can be turned off - if you disable traffic, you won't see the ads any more either. In my experience, at least in my area, the traffic is pretty much useless so I turned it off. Most of the time, by the time the GPS gets the update and indicates traffic ahead, you're already in it.
07/30/09
From what I know about GPS's (admittedly, not all that much, except I love my Nuvi), I could see room for improvement in terms of real time traffic updates, GPS's that learn your preferences, better route planning and tracking linked to better computer syncing, smarter navigation, and better graphics.
07/29/09
To say something along the lines of "this is as good as it gets, there just can't be any more improvements or developments" is just nuts for Anyone to say, and it's being said by a Gizmodo author?!?!
I thought the whole point of this site was the progression, development, refinement, and advancement of the gadgetry world.
To say that Anything couldn't be improved upon At All should carry the mark of heresy around these parts. Off with his head!
I could think of a dozen ways to improve the PND space, and that's just off the top of my head. Game changing ideas, like device-to-device communication; auto-updating maps; voice control; integration with cell phones for on-demand data; photo-realistic satellite map imagery with real-time local cloud-cover data.....
There's no end to the types of innovations they could still make with these things. IMO, they're just getting started. But it seems that poor Wilson's GPS has told him that it's all just a dead-end road. I look forward to his next piece entitled: "640K should be enough memory for anybody's GPS."
07/30/09
07/30/09
I am leaving until I see a post on it!
07/30/09
Uh, you guys just did a review on both a HDD-based music player and a cameraphone yesterday:
"Series Walkman Review: Why, Sony? Why?"
http://gizmodo.com/5325036
"Apparent Nokia N97 Mini Shrinks by Shedding Useless D-Pad"
http://gizmodo.com/5325856
And a review for an FM transmitter back in June:
"Belkin's TuneCast GPS-Assisted FM Transmitter Is Like Putting a DVR Into a VHS Player"
http://gizmodo.com/5278881
You do actually read the site you write for, yes?
Apparently the other "as good as it gets" areas of technology you mention are chugging along with new developments.
Mark my words, we're nowhere near 'equilibrium' on these devices, and I'll bet we see more GPS devices on Giz in the future.
I'll keep this thread updated as you guys review more in the future.
08/04/09
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07/29/09
Shouldn't this device be free? Or the map updates, at least? Or at least heavily subsidized, in either case? Isn't that the entire point of an "ad supported" business model? Or is this just Garmin exploiting its customers without giving them anything in return?
07/29/09
i'm sure there's tons of other improvements as well.
07/30/09
07/29/09
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8173308.stm
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"If Jimmy's GPS navigation system told him to jump off a cliff, would you?"
"Well, I don't know, mom. Even though I am flying around at 80mph in a 2 ton vehicle and have no regard for the others around me, I might be too busy combing my hair and reading a newspaper and texting my friends about all the people I'm running over to even notice what the GPSNAV system is talking about."
I know this question gets more ridiculous as time goes on, but whatever happened to being liable for our own actions?
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07/29/09
I'd probably get in a wreck clicking on the "enlarge my penis" ads.
07/29/09
Sorry. That was lazy, and rather unfunny.
07/29/09
"Hey, you, TomTom 15 mi. ahead, you're going 10mph on this 65mph highway? I may just have to re-direct myself."
"What's that Magellan? That left hand turn has a ridiculously long stop light and will extend my commute by 3 min.? Thanks a bunches."
07/29/09
Dude if it could do that automatically and tell you it, yet work across all brands including the ones already in cars it would be soooooo awesome
07/29/09