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Note of Warning: If you leave the network share mounted on snow leopard and put your laptop to sleep it will not be able to access it on wake. Its a known bug that no one seems to care about fixing. Workaround if you forget to unmount before closing your laptop is to turn off airport and then disconnect the network drive with the little eject icon. It will take up to 30 seconds to eject but once you turn the airport back on everything will work just fine.
If you try to eject while still connected to the network, finder will hang and it will stop you from shutting down or restarting normally.
1. make sure its FAT32 for maximum compatibility
2. copy files over
3. walk to Mac, plug it in
4. copy files off
5. rinse repeat
6. laugh at people sharing it over wires pretending these three all talk the same lingo, limited to only LAN connections.
7. If you find you need morethan a flash drive, check back to the early point of article about an NAS, you will fall in love with them, especially if you have multiple users, possibly a few using media sharing especially.
@Slack3r78: Yeah and the NAS units don't really require much of the above hassle.
If you're only sharing a few files between a few, then a flash drive will do, with the benefit of not needing to set anything up at all, and it'll work on PC's outof your network.
If you figure you're going back n forth, just buy a damn NAS, and that's still going to be much simpler than the stuff you have to do up top.
It seems to be only the 'moderate' network user would be in any hassle. light user gets away with the flash drive, heavy user gets the NAS, which also offers up a back up ( I believe the HP ones to timemachine too?)
@deanbmmv: a NAS still isn't a replacement for having your boxes set up to talk to each other. There's a lot of convenience to be had from having access to your user directory on each box you use for what's literally 5-10 minutes worth of setup.
And if you're a 'heavy user' moving large files around, A--B is by definition faster than A--NAS--B.
@deanbmmv: The point is that a NAS is complimentary to point-to-point rather than a total replacement. I don't see what's particularly difficult to understand about that.
@Slack3r78: Oh nothing. I understand that its kinda parallel to it.
But if you have several devices set up and want to share, a NAS is ususally a better option than wrestling with the fact that they don't like each other.
If you've just got a mac and a windows machine, and want to share a couple of files, well you're mostly going to be fine with a portable drive until the 4GB file problem arrives. Though it's rare to be working with 4GB files except for video. And if you're working with video...a NAS is a good idea. (one of the reasons I have one)
Question: My school runs Mac servers and I want to connect to shares from my PC at home. Macs can connect from anywhere using "Go - Connect to Server," but I have no idea how to approach this on my Windows 7 machine. They don't have NFS enabled in Server Admin, which, I have been told, makes the process impossible. This is deliberate on the part of the IT department, because the technology director believes that all Macs are immune from viruses and all PCs are riddled with them. Can anyone help?
@Eric: All I can suggest is to complain until they get an admin that knows what the hell they are doing. In a school environment it's not the admin's job to decide what kind of computers the users have to buy. I administer a network where all of the desktops are Windows and have never had a server infected. Of course the servers aren't Windows...
@token_illiterate_commenter: Yeah, good point. Unfortunately I work for the tech department so it would be bad form to complain about my boss. Especially given the fact that word travels fast and any complaints I registered with the higher-up's would soon reach my boss.
Still, you make a good point that I shouldn't sit idly by. I'll figure something out.
I use Dropbox. It's easier for me because it automatically syncs every connected computer, plus it has a nice web interface. It's basically a fancy gui for svn. The main dowside is the 2GB limit for free accounts.
@Theo Pak: Dropbox is awesome, but it's not really a replacement for local file sharing. Dropbox uses Amazon's S3 backend, which means you're sending everything to the public internet and back. That's fine when you're just moving small documents around, but does you know good once you get to files more than a few meg in size.
I guess you *could* upload a movie-length video file to Dropbox and stream from there, but it's not something I'd really want to do on a regular basis.
@Slack3r78: There's something new in the current version of the Dropbox client (first time I saw it anyway) that will try to replicate files over your LAN before pulling it over your cable/DSL modem. I paid for the 50GB account and I think it's been worth it.
@Louis Krause: If you install an mDNS service (such as Apple's Bonjour) on your Windows XP machine, it can participate in network browsing in the same way that Macs do.
If you then have shares defined on your Windows machine, your Mac should see the machine in the Shared pane of any Finder windows.
mDNS is a standard, and works well for local subnet browsing of any shared network service (file or print).
@Louis Krause: Something has been done, it's called Zeroconf. However, whoever wrote this guide is used to doing it the old-fashioned way out of habit, and wrote the guide accordingly.
You guys should discuss crossover cable sharing. Supposedly that is extremely fast and I have always wanted to learn how to do it between my mac and pc. I always have to send 5-10 gbs worth of media between computers and over the network is too slow. If I learned how to use crossover between my two computers, it would be golden!
@Rohit Chander: Unless there is something wrong with your router there will not be a noticeable difference between a direct connection and connecting via a router.
@MikeSWelch: actually there'll be a huge difference since most cheap routers don't do gigabit (100mb/s) ethernet. so you'll transfer at least 5 times faster through crossover as long as both computers do gigabit (this is the case with modern macs and pcs).
It was a godsend for subtitled shows, but then I installed Perian and it worked better, in Quicktime, and displayed subs with the formatting they were supposed to have - just like VobSub on PC.
@fuchikoma: Also, if you visit the link, it says that the only crisis is not really a lack of man power to develop it fully, but a lack of man power to keep the UI on the Mac version updated, especially seeing as it's coded in Objective-C.
They're making a complete rewrite of the interface called Lunettes, apparently. Looks very "media-centric" so far... [wiki.github.com]
But I'm more intrigued by this line:
Finally, we have a few issues, since Apple doesn't want us on the Mac platform and is blocking us a lot, and refuses to explain why.
I wonder why Apple would have such an interest in doing that. Maybe it's not Apple, but the new tools of code that's blocking the libraries?
@(Starman) Starman: Lunettes doesn't look too bad... I was surprised how VLC on Mac is mostly like Quicktime on Mac, yet on Windows, it's like it was designed by someone who had never seen video player software before.
I wonder about the blocking comment too... I could see if they got frustrated if their program broke every time a major OS revision dropped. That makes sense too since so many Mac programs require the newest OS version if you're going to get the newer program version... of the same program with the same features.
Sad news, I think VLC is great and have never had problems with it. Some of you complained about the UI, perhaps I am blind, but I have been using VLC for a long time on both Mac and Windows and I didn't notice any major UI changes?
@Coolmodo: Anyone complaining about the UI is probably an apple/quicktime fanboy. VLC can easily be skinned. They have skins to emulate quicktime, windows media player, or whatever you want it to look like.
I don't use VLC for playing videos, but I do have it installed since Handbrake relies on it. I'd hate for Handbrake to stop working because of waning VLC development.
I used to love VLC. Then they screwed with their UI. Now I use CCCP and Media Player Classic for almost everything.... plays AVI's and MKV's just fine, even if I need to screw with VobSub to change subtitles instead of being able to do it within MPC. I keep VLC around for network streams but that's about it.
I still believe that this whole mess of lawsuits and injunctions could be a bad thing for Apple. Apple stated that its Mac OS X end user license agreement allows people to install the OS on Apple computers only. By doing that, they stated that an Apple computer is different than any other computer, which in turn creates a monopoly.
Is this really such a sad loss? Oh sure, there are undoubtedly people out there that seem to love VLC for some reason or another, but in the grand scheme of things, how many people actually use it?
@Lukasz Fabis: It really is. From my experience, VLC was even able to handle files that the likes of Quicktime passed off as corrupt. Even after installing the Perian plugin (to get me some .flv love), Quicktime did not handle these files as well as VLC.
@Lukasz Fabis:
Considering how Apple and Microsofts official video players are, if I'm being generous, a bit crap quite a few people I'd say. I stopped using VLC a while ago and switched to CCCP with media player classic. At any rate open source is the way to go for video playback.
@Lukasz Fabis: VLC once performed the Heimlich Maneuver on my brother, saving his life. Then it played all of my media files for me. I'd hate to see VLC die.
@Kaiser-Machead: I find VLC to be extremely buggy on Mac even though it does support all of the files you can think of. I really wish it worked well enough for re-encoding as well but unfortunately that's not the case. I switched to Visual Hub for converting Video (not made anymore but I bought a copy before it went to Video Monkey) and for playback, I own most of the legitimate releases of video codec's so Quicktime doesn't give me issues on that end.
Stupid me though, I just realized today that Video Download Helper extension on FireFox actually lets you convert the video as well as save it. Bah!
@Lukasz Fabis: Market share stats are a bit difficult to come by in this case, it's not like a browser where every session of what you're using can be logged.
The closest to a market share stat you could get would be... say... taking the amount of VLC, CCCP, etc. downloads and putting it against the sales of the OS's which have their own players pre-installed, but even STILL that is mis-leading. As you're making the assumption that everyone with a computer uses video playback, and sales would likely include more *cough* practical uses... Like for businesses or browsing the web.
In short, it's kind of a moot point to even ask for "market share" stats. I for one use VLC, on Mac, no less, and find little to complain about in version 1.1.0, though to have the project die completely? That is no good at all, no matter where you stand, because in the end, competition is never a bad thing.
@Abarnum:
I've yet to find something I can't play with it installed. At the very least it handles .mkv's flawlessly. I've found using MPC with CCCP installed gives generally smoother playback and is overall less buggy.
VLC used to be my goto media player though, I'd still recommend it over anything other than CCCP+MPC. Plus in terms of portability it beats CCCP hands down. A media player that'll play most everything you can put and run off a USB drive? Yes please.
@MIKEAWESOME:
I figured they are difficult to come by, and I never expected anyone to come up with them. That, of course, also makes my original question fairly moot too, just a food for thought sort of thing.
I must say, I severely underestimated the zeal of fanboys, as evidenced by the ridiculous number of replies I got.
To clarify, people, I'm not saying it's some piece of crap and that nobody uses it. Far from it.
I posed the question if, as far as the whole OS X user base goes, VLC really matters all that much. I explicitly noted that there are people out there who love it, and I explicitly noted that they're not necessarily indicative of the whole. (The latter part is something I reiterated to some people who provided individual use cases.)
And yet, somehow, I've been called everything from ignorant, to a troll, to Glenn Beck. For asking an innocent question? How on Earth does that make sense?
I mean, aren't they just PCs running MacOS in the same way Macs Run Windows? I mean, give and take a little R&D in creating working drivers and an installation work around.
ASSUMING they bought one copy of boxed MacOS per system they built, the only thing they've disrupted is the EULA, which is technically a crock of sh*t when you consider certain End-user rights are protected by Fair Use. In a sense "Unconstitutional."
Any OS that I, as an end user, purchase legally, I am protected by my right to modify that OS as I see fit, including drivers, software, workarounds, registry mods, etc. My only limitation is whether or not I am breaking OTHER laws, such as copyright infringement, installing malicious software, or using the system as a tool for other crimes.
@Louis Wang: But was it by them simply building a computer with a "Modified OS" or was it because they sold more copies of MacOS than they bought?
Consider any private computer builder, in fact, commercial ones, too, such as DELL. All of them use modified installers with Windows. Throw in some service packs, hotfixes, drivers, software, put it all into an unattended install, or better yet, hard drive image. Pump out fully working OSs as fast as you can build them.
Only catch is that if you Sell 100 computers running Windows, you need to purchase 100 licenses.
@Ninety-9: They did all of that:
1) Sold more copies than they bought (infringement)
2) Sold different copies than were installed (infringement)
3) Sold modified copies on the systems (infringement)
Dell has purchased a license that allows them to: 1) Ship without a disc, 2) Ship with a modified OS image, 3) Ship with a preload.
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If you try to eject while still connected to the network, finder will hang and it will stop you from shutting down or restarting normally.
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2. copy files over
3. walk to Mac, plug it in
4. copy files off
5. rinse repeat
6. laugh at people sharing it over wires pretending these three all talk the same lingo, limited to only LAN connections.
7. If you find you need morethan a flash drive, check back to the early point of article about an NAS, you will fall in love with them, especially if you have multiple users, possibly a few using media sharing especially.
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Except for the fact that they *do*. SMB/CIFS is supported by Windows, Mac, and Linux. In fact, the NAS units you're championing generally use CIFS.
A flash drive is nice, but network sharing is considerably faster and more convenient once it's set up.
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If you're only sharing a few files between a few, then a flash drive will do, with the benefit of not needing to set anything up at all, and it'll work on PC's outof your network.
If you figure you're going back n forth, just buy a damn NAS, and that's still going to be much simpler than the stuff you have to do up top.
It seems to be only the 'moderate' network user would be in any hassle. light user gets away with the flash drive, heavy user gets the NAS, which also offers up a back up ( I believe the HP ones to timemachine too?)
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And if you're a 'heavy user' moving large files around, A--B is by definition faster than A--NAS--B.
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etc etc. you get the point and you can't to topology in the comment box.
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But if you have several devices set up and want to share, a NAS is ususally a better option than wrestling with the fact that they don't like each other.
If you've just got a mac and a windows machine, and want to share a couple of files, well you're mostly going to be fine with a portable drive until the 4GB file problem arrives. Though it's rare to be working with 4GB files except for video. And if you're working with video...a NAS is a good idea. (one of the reasons I have one)
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Still, you make a good point that I shouldn't sit idly by. I'll figure something out.
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if u use this link you get 250MB extra for free. [www.dropbox.com]
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I guess you *could* upload a movie-length video file to Dropbox and stream from there, but it's not something I'd really want to do on a regular basis.
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If you then have shares defined on your Windows machine, your Mac should see the machine in the Shared pane of any Finder windows.
mDNS is a standard, and works well for local subnet browsing of any shared network service (file or print).
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[en.wikipedia.org]
It's built to make these things mostly automatic, and has it's roots in how service discovery was done in the AppleTalk protocol stack.
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They're making a complete rewrite of the interface called Lunettes, apparently. Looks very "media-centric" so far... [wiki.github.com]
But I'm more intrigued by this line:
Finally, we have a few issues, since Apple doesn't want us on the Mac platform and is blocking us a lot, and refuses to explain why.
I wonder why Apple would have such an interest in doing that. Maybe it's not Apple, but the new tools of code that's blocking the libraries?
12/18/09
I wonder about the blocking comment too... I could see if they got frustrated if their program broke every time a major OS revision dropped. That makes sense too since so many Mac programs require the newest OS version if you're going to get the newer program version... of the same program with the same features.
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So maybe Apple should consider throwing their $30B weight behind supporting more formats.
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VLC is the only "free" OS X player that gives me 5.1 (suck it, Apple DVD player) - it's essential for my HTPC.
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Considering how Apple and Microsofts official video players are, if I'm being generous, a bit crap quite a few people I'd say. I stopped using VLC a while ago and switched to CCCP with media player classic. At any rate open source is the way to go for video playback.
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Stupid me though, I just realized today that Video Download Helper extension on FireFox actually lets you convert the video as well as save it. Bah!
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Depends. The stock video players work just fine for a good range of formats, and at least they tend to respect native UI standards.
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Provide me with some market share stats that support the assertion, and I'll concede your point.
Otherwise, my question stands.
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The closest to a market share stat you could get would be... say... taking the amount of VLC, CCCP, etc. downloads and putting it against the sales of the OS's which have their own players pre-installed, but even STILL that is mis-leading. As you're making the assumption that everyone with a computer uses video playback, and sales would likely include more *cough* practical uses... Like for businesses or browsing the web.
In short, it's kind of a moot point to even ask for "market share" stats. I for one use VLC, on Mac, no less, and find little to complain about in version 1.1.0, though to have the project die completely? That is no good at all, no matter where you stand, because in the end, competition is never a bad thing.
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I've yet to find something I can't play with it installed. At the very least it handles .mkv's flawlessly. I've found using MPC with CCCP installed gives generally smoother playback and is overall less buggy.
VLC used to be my goto media player though, I'd still recommend it over anything other than CCCP+MPC. Plus in terms of portability it beats CCCP hands down. A media player that'll play most everything you can put and run off a USB drive? Yes please.
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I figured they are difficult to come by, and I never expected anyone to come up with them. That, of course, also makes my original question fairly moot too, just a food for thought sort of thing.
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To clarify, people, I'm not saying it's some piece of crap and that nobody uses it. Far from it.
I posed the question if, as far as the whole OS X user base goes, VLC really matters all that much. I explicitly noted that there are people out there who love it, and I explicitly noted that they're not necessarily indicative of the whole. (The latter part is something I reiterated to some people who provided individual use cases.)
And yet, somehow, I've been called everything from ignorant, to a troll, to Glenn Beck. For asking an innocent question? How on Earth does that make sense?
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I mean, aren't they just PCs running MacOS in the same way Macs Run Windows? I mean, give and take a little R&D in creating working drivers and an installation work around.
ASSUMING they bought one copy of boxed MacOS per system they built, the only thing they've disrupted is the EULA, which is technically a crock of sh*t when you consider certain End-user rights are protected by Fair Use. In a sense "Unconstitutional."
Any OS that I, as an end user, purchase legally, I am protected by my right to modify that OS as I see fit, including drivers, software, workarounds, registry mods, etc. My only limitation is whether or not I am breaking OTHER laws, such as copyright infringement, installing malicious software, or using the system as a tool for other crimes.
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Consider any private computer builder, in fact, commercial ones, too, such as DELL. All of them use modified installers with Windows. Throw in some service packs, hotfixes, drivers, software, put it all into an unattended install, or better yet, hard drive image. Pump out fully working OSs as fast as you can build them.
Only catch is that if you Sell 100 computers running Windows, you need to purchase 100 licenses.
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1) Sold more copies than they bought (infringement)
2) Sold different copies than were installed (infringement)
3) Sold modified copies on the systems (infringement)
Dell has purchased a license that allows them to: 1) Ship without a disc, 2) Ship with a modified OS image, 3) Ship with a preload.
Psystar has purchased none of those things.