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I just find it interesting that the headline uses the term "Kindle" instead of "ebook reader". Is Amazon's product really as ubiquitous as an iPod or Q-Tips?
Can't sleep; the Kindle is watching... Can't sleep; the Kindle is watching... Can't sleep; the Kindle is watching... Can't sleep; the Kindle is watching... Can't sleep; the Kindle is watching...
Seeing as I was already buying every paper book I bought from Amazon, they already knew everything I was buying anyways. Not really much of a difference.
@BlackSmokeDMax: Yep. If I cared about someone knowing about a book I'm reading, I wouldn't buy it online or even use a credit/debit card. It would be cash only. I wouldn't search about it online, either. The Kindles and Nooks are not unique threats to our privacy. Our privacy is already compromised.
You're way off about the Nook. The Nook can use any ePub books, from any vendor. A Nook user can go to the Sony Reader book store, buy a book and read it on the Nook, no problem. They can go to their local library's web site and check out books online as well. That can't be done on the Kindle. B&N does not have 'vendor lock in', Amazon does.
@yoforionsetu: That's not quite true. You can buy non-DRM Mobipocket books from multiple vendors and read them with no conversion. Of course, most books have DRM. However, you can also buy DRMed books of most other formats (pretty much anything but Sony's .lrx which is going away) and borrow library books if you're willing to do some stripping and converting. Will most people do that? No. But to say it can't be done isn't true.
@FigNinja: What I'd most likely use an ebook reader for is to read out of print books found on the internet. IF I can't do that, then there's no reason for me to read an overpriced, single use gizmo.
@Jesse Astle: Which you can do on any reader. You can also do that on many smartphones and your computer if you like. I find a reader more comfortable, personally, but over time tablets and netbooks will catch up I'm sure.
Contrary to popular opinions, I don't feel comfortable with anyone, other than myself, knowing what I purchase and read.
It isn't anyone's business anymore than knowing what color socks or underwear I buy.
If I purchase several books on growing weed are they going to kick my door in and look for grow equipment?
What if I'm reserching methods terrorists use to create havoc and disrupt transportation systems for a paper...FEDS gonna come knocking? Flock that.
Sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but I've been forced to relinquish enough of my personal privacy rights for the sake of "terrorism" and WOMD, and not by choice I might add, I was one of few outspoken and outraged by the Patriot Act and the wholesale slaughter of rights of individuals from government snooping. It has nothing to do with being truly Patriotic. Most take it laying down or in stride for the false sense of security that we continue to pay for today.
I'm not a tin-foil, paranoid kinda person. Interesting that anyone who objects to this invasion of privacy is labeled a kook or maladjusted in some way, or in some way not an American.
I'm a firm believer that what the govt. gets to know about me is my choice and provided by me, nothing more. Fucking data is collected on every fucking thing we do, I'd like to keep a tiny shred of choice as to who gets it and when/why if I may.
You can have your Kindles, Nooks & Google Books.
I'll stick to buying books and the ability to read them where and when I want, without someone snooping over my shoulder or holding the threat of reporting it to law enforcement or some other fucking agency of intrusion.
@Kimrod: So it's nobody's business what color underwear you buy, but a cursory glance at your comment history shows that you said AT&T laid you off on Thanksgiving and are on unemployment?
I'm not trying to pick on you, but people light their hair on fire over little invasions of privacy while ignoring large ones. How many people use free email from Google/Yahoo/Microsoft/etc? How many people have cellphones? Credit cards? Because, really, in practical terms, the notion that Amazon knows what page of Liar's Poker I'm on is trivial to the point of dismissal considering that my cell provider can locate me at just about any given time.
Your cursory glance gave you that info because I chose to post it online, again, my choice to do so and the point I was making.
In addition, I would much rather support my local bookstores, new and used, the mom and pop bookstores I go to, instead of purchasing a gadget.
They keep track of my account and what I like to read in a recipe box on an index card...not too threatening and is acceptable for me. Guess I'm an old-school, Goldwater conservative.
@Kimrod: How is the fact that they keep track of what you read on an index card any more conducive to privacy than keeping it in an electronic database? If, for whatever reason, Uncle Sam decided they wanted to know what you're reading, they can still subpoena that information just as easily as they could Amazon to see what I'm reading. Even easier, perhaps, since a local bookstore doesn't have the legal resources that Amazon (or B&N or Borders) has.
But that wasn't really my point. The privacy implications of e-readers and other relatively new services and devices tend to be vastly overstated whereas services/devices people are used to are vastly understated. That includes posting personal information on Facebook, or Twitter, or, yes, Gizmodo.
Oh crap, someone might get ahold of this data and try to blow up a plane while screaming, "HE NEVER READ CHAPTER THREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"
Seriously. Ebooks. Why would anyone be worried about people potentially seeing what they read and whatnot? We don't live in China. No one on U.S. soil is going to be arrested for buying books on human rights.
This is taking the privacy thing in a wrong direction. Seriously, books. Come on. Yes, personal privacy is important, but seriously. Books.
ZOMG HE READ THE GUNSLINGER AND IS NOW OBVIOUSLY INFLUENCED AND IS GOING TO GO BUY A SIX-SHOOTER AND BECOME A VIOLENT CRIMINAL!!!!!11!
@carpe_k9006: Do you remember the kerfuffle a few years ago when Homeland Security tried to get access to library records? They do care what we're reading. Even if a current administration doesn't, who says they won't eventually? They may not just be looking for "Blowing Up Government Buildings For Dummies". They may look for any opposing political writings. It's best they don't have the ability to do it even if we don't think they'd abuse it now.
@medopal: Depends on what you mean by "jailbreak". If you don't want Amazon knowing what you read, then you can buy/download books from other sources, strip the DRM if it's there, convert if necessary, and load via USB. Just turn the wireless off. Of course, that doesn't mean that your book consumption is private.
Well, end of the day... privacy on the web... Who cares? We've been giving our details away for a looooong time now. But somehow I don't think that *I* am of any interest to, well, anyone really. The majority of people won't be. I doubt this information would be used by authorities to check on you as I don't think the authorities would know how. Or what to look for.
So basically it all boils down to amazon having an advanced knowledge of what I read or search for. That doesn't frighten me, if it means I get advertised at in a more contextual manner then GOOD, I'm sick of spam about penis pumps --the schlong is long enough thanks.
If, however, you are frightened by all this I suggest closing your web browser, disconnecting you computer and burning it because one way or another you give your details out to big corporations all the time. Shame Xmas has been and gone, you could have asked Santa for some tin foil hats.
@Mark Cormack: Actually, the after Christmas sale on tin foil hats is ridiculous. Buy 1 get 3 free! Now your spouse and children can join you and me in paranoid fear of what the gadgets are doing to our brains!
Many people have privacy concerns. It isnt ridiculous to not want other people to know what what media you consume. Just because you are not paranoid doesnt mean the information collected about you cannot be used against you.
Lets look at the example of netflix. [arstechnica.com] Here we have a person who has a reasonable fear that this data will out her as a lesbian. Depending on her job, the community, etc, this could ruin her life.
Who is to say that what you read isnt resold to various organizations, or supena by the government to be used against you? We already know that the gobberment has used library records to harass citizens.
This isnt paranoid conspiracy nut job illuminati under every rock with mind control and the 5 jew bankers doing 911 kinda stuff. Its a reasonable concern, even more important, its a reasonable desire, to not have your consumptions cataloged.
All those people who share everything about themselves on the internet... They all have secrets that are important to them to.
Battery life... Where are the waves of people yelling "just get a tablet"? This is a low power usage device and proves the point that you can't properly get through an entire book on a standard LCD device before recharging it. Which is why much more complicated tablets would make for terrible ereading devices.
@thechansen: The really interesting thing is that I *can* get through an entire book on a single charge... on my BlackBerry Pearl. This is between actually using it to make calls and do some light web browsing.
I do completely agree about tablets. The real killer here is not really the guts, but the screen. My BB has a 2.2" screen at 260x240 and will last for quite some time. But you get up to 5 inches or more, and it starts to be a massive power suck compared to the size of battery you can get in that size of a device - unless you start increasing thickness, which is the kiss of death for both tablets and ereaders.
@palmerkun: True even on the battery hungry iPhone 3GS I've gotten through an ebook using Stanza, but on my standard battery eeePC 900a (not my behemoth ebay extended battery) I can make it like 150 - 200 pages.
@thechansen: If I ad to attempt to apply some logic to this... I think the factor here is that regardless of the screen you're reading on, you go through the text at about the same rate. But on a phone, you have much less screen that you're backlighting.
You have 15 times as much screen space on a 9" eee as a 2 inch blackberry. This means that you're backlighting and refreshing 15 times as much space for the same period of time. Lots of energy wastage there.
@Akio Morita: Yep. There are also other 5" e-ink devices in that range like Astak. If you go to the used or refurb market, you can get a 6" e-ink. A Kindle 2 refurb through Amazon is only $219.
@FigNinja: I have the 5" astak pcket pro that I got a little over a month ago for $199 - I swear by it, the specs are better than the sony and love the fact that it does a great job of supporting pdf and chm since I use it to do a lot of manual reading- also it runs on SD and supports up to 16 gigs
@Lester-M4ko: Manufacturing costs aren't the only thing to deal with. There's also R&D (which exists for simple products even such as this), potential licensing costs, distribution, actually paying your labour force and many other factors. That's one of the reasons teardowns of the iPhone where they price individual components piss me off, they simply ignore the actual bulk of the cost of these things.
@Thee Sea: Okay, I'll go along:
R&D: 20 hours to rip off a Kindle
Licensing: Ignored in China
Distribution: Existing mostly thru established Chinese channels, one shipping container - $3500
Labour force: $.40 per unit. DOn't believe me? Watch the documentary - "Corporation".
@Lester-M4ko:
1. R&D is more than just "look at a product, go". the fact you ignored that, QC, prototyping and everything else shows how little you know.
2. Aluratek is an American company based out of Irvine, not China. Even if they were Chinese, they'd still have to go through licensing channels for US distribution.
3. Distribution: Once more, an American company. Even if they were Chinese, they'd still need to go through proper trade channels to get it to American distribution. You'll notice that most HKOs sold in the US and Canada are actually distributed through an American branch.
4. Labour: Once again, this is an American company that has more than just some company in China churning out their products. You need to pay all American staff.
@Thee Sea: So this thing was not made in China, huh? When I snap my fingers you will wake up and realize we are at 2010 and everything cheap is designed by Americans or Japanese and faxed to China, where - baz-jillions are made the following day.
Proper trade channels! I laugh in the direction of your pompous hiney.
@jetRink: yeah but to be dumb enough to buy a 80's style monochromatic e-ink device is just retarded when there's at least 10 tablets out or coming out this month and within the next 2 months that will be perfect suited for use as an ereader but with COLOR screens, touch screens, larger capacity, internet browsing, multimedia viewing, software packages and app's and tons more! So who's "stupid" now!
@Littell: I'm not convinced I need a tablet, since I have a laptop, but I have an ebook reader since it's much easier on the eyes than using my laptop. And battery life wise, the ebook reader can't be beat. Did you call people stupid for buying a single function MP3 player in 2003 since they can just carry around a laptop?
@thechansen: Exactly, I want a book reader. I'm not interested in color, touch, multimedia, or apps if it means I need to sacrifice price, screen quality, battery life or the ease of use that comes with a purpose built device.
@jetRink: I will concede that the Pixel Qi is promising, and could bridge the gap. But battery tech being how it is I would rather have the eink how it currently is, charge it once and get through 6 books. I don't see battery advances getting made that would make a multifunction tablet my main ereader.
@Arken: Don't knock the Post until you've tried it. I use their website and its some of the most comical journalism I've ever read. Its nice to take a break from the constant financial beat of the WSJ or the offputting arrogance of the NYT every now and then.
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It isn't anyone's business anymore than knowing what color socks or underwear I buy.
If I purchase several books on growing weed are they going to kick my door in and look for grow equipment?
What if I'm reserching methods terrorists use to create havoc and disrupt transportation systems for a paper...FEDS gonna come knocking? Flock that.
Sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but I've been forced to relinquish enough of my personal privacy rights for the sake of "terrorism" and WOMD, and not by choice I might add, I was one of few outspoken and outraged by the Patriot Act and the wholesale slaughter of rights of individuals from government snooping. It has nothing to do with being truly Patriotic. Most take it laying down or in stride for the false sense of security that we continue to pay for today.
I'm not a tin-foil, paranoid kinda person. Interesting that anyone who objects to this invasion of privacy is labeled a kook or maladjusted in some way, or in some way not an American.
I'm a firm believer that what the govt. gets to know about me is my choice and provided by me, nothing more. Fucking data is collected on every fucking thing we do, I'd like to keep a tiny shred of choice as to who gets it and when/why if I may.
You can have your Kindles, Nooks & Google Books.
I'll stick to buying books and the ability to read them where and when I want, without someone snooping over my shoulder or holding the threat of reporting it to law enforcement or some other fucking agency of intrusion.
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I'm not trying to pick on you, but people light their hair on fire over little invasions of privacy while ignoring large ones. How many people use free email from Google/Yahoo/Microsoft/etc? How many people have cellphones? Credit cards? Because, really, in practical terms, the notion that Amazon knows what page of Liar's Poker I'm on is trivial to the point of dismissal considering that my cell provider can locate me at just about any given time.
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Your cursory glance gave you that info because I chose to post it online, again, my choice to do so and the point I was making.
In addition, I would much rather support my local bookstores, new and used, the mom and pop bookstores I go to, instead of purchasing a gadget.
They keep track of my account and what I like to read in a recipe box on an index card...not too threatening and is acceptable for me. Guess I'm an old-school, Goldwater conservative.
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But that wasn't really my point. The privacy implications of e-readers and other relatively new services and devices tend to be vastly overstated whereas services/devices people are used to are vastly understated. That includes posting personal information on Facebook, or Twitter, or, yes, Gizmodo.
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Grow up!
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That was very mature of you.
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And if you come back at me again it'll show just how immature you are by needing to get the last word.
Anyways dude it was just a joke. If you have a family member or a friend that suffers from paranoid schizophrenia and I offended you then I am sorry.
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Seriously. Ebooks. Why would anyone be worried about people potentially seeing what they read and whatnot? We don't live in China. No one on U.S. soil is going to be arrested for buying books on human rights.
This is taking the privacy thing in a wrong direction. Seriously, books. Come on. Yes, personal privacy is important, but seriously. Books.
ZOMG HE READ THE GUNSLINGER AND IS NOW OBVIOUSLY INFLUENCED AND IS GOING TO GO BUY A SIX-SHOOTER AND BECOME A VIOLENT CRIMINAL!!!!!11!
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Stop it! Stop it! I know you're watching me! What do you want from me! The silence... its too much, I just can't... I just can't take it anymore!
SAY SOMETHING DAMN YOU SAY SOMETHING!!!! Say something before the men in white coats put the backwards jacket on me!
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So basically it all boils down to amazon having an advanced knowledge of what I read or search for. That doesn't frighten me, if it means I get advertised at in a more contextual manner then GOOD, I'm sick of spam about penis pumps --the schlong is long enough thanks.
If, however, you are frightened by all this I suggest closing your web browser, disconnecting you computer and burning it because one way or another you give your details out to big corporations all the time. Shame Xmas has been and gone, you could have asked Santa for some tin foil hats.
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Many people have privacy concerns. It isnt ridiculous to not want other people to know what what media you consume. Just because you are not paranoid doesnt mean the information collected about you cannot be used against you.
Lets look at the example of netflix. [arstechnica.com] Here we have a person who has a reasonable fear that this data will out her as a lesbian. Depending on her job, the community, etc, this could ruin her life.
Who is to say that what you read isnt resold to various organizations, or supena by the government to be used against you? We already know that the gobberment has used library records to harass citizens.
This isnt paranoid conspiracy nut job illuminati under every rock with mind control and the 5 jew bankers doing 911 kinda stuff. Its a reasonable concern, even more important, its a reasonable desire, to not have your consumptions cataloged.
All those people who share everything about themselves on the internet... They all have secrets that are important to them to.
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I do completely agree about tablets. The real killer here is not really the guts, but the screen. My BB has a 2.2" screen at 260x240 and will last for quite some time. But you get up to 5 inches or more, and it starts to be a massive power suck compared to the size of battery you can get in that size of a device - unless you start increasing thickness, which is the kiss of death for both tablets and ereaders.
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You have 15 times as much screen space on a 9" eee as a 2 inch blackberry. This means that you're backlighting and refreshing 15 times as much space for the same period of time. Lots of energy wastage there.
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R&D: 20 hours to rip off a Kindle
Licensing: Ignored in China
Distribution: Existing mostly thru established Chinese channels, one shipping container - $3500
Labour force: $.40 per unit. DOn't believe me? Watch the documentary - "Corporation".
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1. R&D is more than just "look at a product, go". the fact you ignored that, QC, prototyping and everything else shows how little you know.
2. Aluratek is an American company based out of Irvine, not China. Even if they were Chinese, they'd still have to go through licensing channels for US distribution.
3. Distribution: Once more, an American company. Even if they were Chinese, they'd still need to go through proper trade channels to get it to American distribution. You'll notice that most HKOs sold in the US and Canada are actually distributed through an American branch.
4. Labour: Once again, this is an American company that has more than just some company in China churning out their products. You need to pay all American staff.
Think before you speak.
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Proper trade channels! I laugh in the direction of your pompous hiney.
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