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I'm conflicted on this. With a mixed household (Win7 media center and netbook, iMac & iPhone) I don't know if I'd rather have WHS on my file server or use Ubuntu Server. On the one hand, WHS has seen a lot of improvements, but a linux server has a smaller OS overhead and I don't like locking myself into Windows or Apple too much.
I've set up (partway) my headless server and it's been a great learning experience, but it's also been a long drawn out process and a general pain in the butt configuring linux. Plus, it's an H340 so there are drivers for WHS and not some for linux (HDD activity led, system status)
The updates are really tempting but I guess I better give linux a real shot first, seeing as being a server is where it excels.
I have a bunch of Linux fileservers, and they're great - they serve up files great, and are all RAID-protected against hardware failure.
However, my primary reason to get a WHS is not serving files, but rather for backups - WHS can do image-based backups of up to 10 machines daily. If something goes wrong, you pop in the WHS recovery CD, click Next a few times, and your computer is restored. Best of all, it only keeps one copy of files, so if you have multiple Win7 machines (or XP/Vista), you really only store the OS once.
So it really depends - do you want a NAS-type box? If yes, go with Linux and RAID arrays. If you want a convenient home-backup server, WHS is hard to beat. You can do the same with Ghost and other things to get it to work, but then you have to futz with it on every machine.
@Worf: Thanks, you hit a lot of key points about why on would want one or the other OS and that really reminds me of why I'm doing it the way I am. It is mostly a raided NAS, and the only backups I keep for my systems are an initial clean image.
installed, and works great out of the box. instant search even on the server is amazing :) and finally full backups of win7 machines, including that additional partition to restore.
the media center feature is of no use for me right now, but sure is cool, too.
another power pack, another reason to fall in love with whs :)
I don't get it. Does the server cap at 2 gigabytes? I mean, if it has two slots couldn't you just add two 2 gigabyte hard drives? I mean, I'm no rocket surgeon or anything.
@Lite: hates Illinois Nazis:
Windows home servers don't mirror. They have specific redundency for shares, if you have multiple drives, but things like backups and the os are not redundent.
I could be wrong, but I think you can't stream Hi def TV recordings from it...right?
I use media center and now that no one makes media center extenders anymore, the only option is to stream to other computers around the home. If the server cant stream HDTV to other PC's, what's the point in having all of your media in a place that cant stream most of it? #hpex495review
@oakman1000: I don't see why it shouldn't be able to. The processor is plenty fast. My 360 is quite able to stream HD from my media center PC that is stored on a NAS so I don't see why this shouldn't be able to. #hpex495review
@Xeno: Yes, your right you it could stream to an Xbox because of its MCE extender capabilities. It cant stream to other PC's because of DRM. The only option at the moment to stream HDTV to other rooms is through an Xbox. I don't want Xboxes all around my home + they are too noisy for bedrooms. #hpex495review
@oakman1000: The DRM is annoying but some of it suposedly goes away with Win 7 MC. Hopefully most of my recordings will be open after I upgrade. Possibly not since cable companies are a$$holes most of the time. I've mitigated the XBox noise with furniture cabinets but a nice power full extender(or a new quieter xbox would be welcome for sure). #hpex495review
Any real reason to get the dual-core version over the single-core one? Hard drive space can easily be expanded, but swapping CPUs would take some more work. #hpex495review
I was hoping for more storage in stock trim for those prices. I really want one but it would total to nearly a thousand dollars by the time I got done putting in enough hard drives to increase the storage and add RAID. #hpex495review
@Rejexted: Yes, you get a personal web address to go to where you can access your server and any PCs on the network through remote desktop. You can also stream any music or media that you have on the server, so you could listen to your collection at work through the web client. #hpex495review
I wish they'd release their components to other WHS users. I have a home built home server, which rocks, but have to keep my G5 tower for our iTunes media server running as well. #hpex495review
There is one thing I'd like to add to that article. USE RAID. Just RAID the HDDs before you install. WHS file duplication is slow as hell, it's duct tape grade solution for redundancy. After setting WHS on a RAID I've been rather pleased to it, before it was plain ridiculous.
@runemail: Using RAID is certainly not the way Microsoft envisioned WHS to be used, but they dropped the ball with the file duplicator so it's the way to get performance out of WHS macine. And yes, you loose the ability to easily swap drives, if all you want is "tape-like" slow backup storage, native WHS might work for you, but if you want to actively use it, like I do, it just won't cut it. Using Windows Server 2008 looses easy backup, media sharing, user managing, web access and multiplies the price, not really what I'm looking for... But most of all it drowns you into the bizarre world of user and device CAL licences, and other madness only enterprise sysadmins should have to deal with.
@Mozoltov, motherfucker: Whatever gives you the redundancy you are looking for, I personally had pile of 1TB drives to waste so I went for 1+0 with hot spare. In the article they used two 2TB drives so RAID 1 would match what WHS gives you, with better performance or course.
@OMG! Ponies!: Maybe there is a snap-in to allow compatibility with Time Machine...oh, wait, the universe would implode if that happened, starting with Steve Ballmer's head...
@USB_Humping_Dog: What's not to like? You don't have to worry about pressure to stay the night, because the orderlies will get pissed if they catch you.
@PhyrePhox: The HP home server interfaces with Time Machine using some software that HP builds into it. Hopefully it's just a matter of time before there's a plugin that replicates that.
@fastm3driver: Mac's don't need backups since...(choose your answer)
iFanboy: Mac's are so reliable that you don't ever loose data.
iHater: No one ever does anything useful or important on a Mac so there is no reason to back them up.
So is the 490 mainly a software update (with a slightly bigger hard drive). I may want to backup my Mac, but I see no other significant upgrade from the EX485. Can the software update be applied to the 485 as well?
Does this mean the 485 will soon be going on sale? I've had my eye on that for a while but my wife seems to think I have enough computers and that the nearly $500 is a bit too much for another toy. I really don't understand what she is talking about.
@iatacs19: Yes, absolutly. Many NAS's out there have sported less-than-gigahertz speeds, so it won't be an issue, so long as the underlying OS isn't a resource hog.
edit: That last sentence should be read as "...so long as you install XP, Win7, or Linux." ;)
Wish I would have seen this sooner... You mention "Stability risks aside".
This is based on Win2K3 which is SOLID AS A ROCK. Save the Windows hate for the area it belongs which is NOT the server series. I, like many have 22 2K3 boxes here that have Z E R O downtime in 3 years... That's right, three. We can go back further than that, but 2 of them hard hardware issues prior to that.
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I've set up (partway) my headless server and it's been a great learning experience, but it's also been a long drawn out process and a general pain in the butt configuring linux. Plus, it's an H340 so there are drivers for WHS and not some for linux (HDD activity led, system status)
The updates are really tempting but I guess I better give linux a real shot first, seeing as being a server is where it excels.
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I have a bunch of Linux fileservers, and they're great - they serve up files great, and are all RAID-protected against hardware failure.
However, my primary reason to get a WHS is not serving files, but rather for backups - WHS can do image-based backups of up to 10 machines daily. If something goes wrong, you pop in the WHS recovery CD, click Next a few times, and your computer is restored. Best of all, it only keeps one copy of files, so if you have multiple Win7 machines (or XP/Vista), you really only store the OS once.
So it really depends - do you want a NAS-type box? If yes, go with Linux and RAID arrays. If you want a convenient home-backup server, WHS is hard to beat. You can do the same with Ghost and other things to get it to work, but then you have to futz with it on every machine.
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the media center feature is of no use for me right now, but sure is cool, too.
another power pack, another reason to fall in love with whs :)
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Windows home servers don't mirror. They have specific redundency for shares, if you have multiple drives, but things like backups and the os are not redundent.
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are we talking gigabytes or terabytes ?
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I use media center and now that no one makes media center extenders anymore, the only option is to stream to other computers around the home. If the server cant stream HDTV to other PC's, what's the point in having all of your media in a place that cant stream most of it? #hpex495review
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@Mozoltov, motherfucker: Whatever gives you the redundancy you are looking for, I personally had pile of 1TB drives to waste so I went for 1+0 with hot spare. In the article they used two 2TB drives so RAID 1 would match what WHS gives you, with better performance or course.
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iFanboy: Mac's are so reliable that you don't ever loose data.
iHater: No one ever does anything useful or important on a Mac so there is no reason to back them up.
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EX 490: 2.2GHz, 2GB, 1x1TB @ $549
EX 495: 2.5GHz, 2GB, 1x1.5TB @ $699
Fall release. (I'm guessing October)
Both $50 less than their EX 48x counterparts.
They've been testing for a few weeks; retail packaging.
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edit: That last sentence should be read as "...so long as you install XP, Win7, or Linux." ;)
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This is based on Win2K3 which is SOLID AS A ROCK. Save the Windows hate for the area it belongs which is NOT the server series. I, like many have 22 2K3 boxes here that have Z E R O downtime in 3 years... That's right, three. We can go back further than that, but 2 of them hard hardware issues prior to that.
IBM xSeries + 2K, 2K3, 2K8 kicks ass.