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    Image of Jeter Hall Jeter Hall
    11/16/09

    In reply to Psychic Powers, Cochlear Implants, and My Bionic Ex-Boyfriend
    I'm also hearing impaired and I received the cochlear implant back in 2001. I was one of those deafies that was against CI's. Strange! It was due to Meniere's Disease which brought about severe bouts of dizziness and total deafness in the end. There is practically no cure for Meniere's and the dizzy bouts were just godawful and very disabling. I took the gamble to have the CI implanted as I heard that there was a 50/50 chance of CI's stopping the dizzy bouts. Voila it did stop the dizzy bouts and I'm very grateful for that. On top of that I do enjoy hearing better. TWO benefits in my case! Deafies have argued with me over CI's but when I say it helped me with Meniere's symptoms, they stop arguing cold. Most of them know how awful Meniere's can be. To this day no one really understands how the CI helps those with Meniere's. It doesn't stop the progress of the disease tho. I've since then got increasing poor balance senses. But even then it's far preferable to the dizzy bouts. #deaf
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    Image of joe57005 joe57005
    11/16/09

    In reply to Psychic Powers, Cochlear Implants, and My Bionic Ex-Boyfriend
    I love how people, even those with disabilities, will always find fault with, and shun another group because they are different from their own. #deaf
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    Image of dingus dingus
    11/16/09

    @joe57005: Amateur radio operators fought for years over the abolishment of the Morse code requirement for licensing. The "old timers" thought it would dilute their community and a unique method of communication would be wiped out. Eventually a license class opened up that didn't have the requirement. But that didn't save the hobby from bleeding its ranks as the internet captured people's desire to communicate with total strangers. Nobody was willing to keep radio relevant to the public at large as it slipped into serving only niche uses.

    And then, one September, they let AOLers on to Usenet...
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    Edited by dingus at 11/16/09 11:30 PM dingus was starred dingus was unstarred
    Image of adamstone001 adamstone001
    11/15/09

    In reply to Psychic Powers, Cochlear Implants, and My Bionic Ex-Boyfriend
    Need to correct an inaccuracy:

    "A majority of deaf children are born to hearing parents, many who would sooner opt for insurance-covered implants for their kids than years of sign education, audiologist visits and hearing aids, which are pricey and usually are not covered by medical insurance."

    Actually, CIs require just as many audiology and speech therapy visits, if not more. It's an ongoing therapeutic and intervention process to make a deaf child hear with a CI, and it is in no way automatic. You're right about hearing aids, however, not being covered by insurance (which is just wrong but we haven't really come to expect any better from those guys, have we?).
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    Image of theseraph theseraph
    11/15/09

    In reply to Psychic Powers, Cochlear Implants, and My Bionic Ex-Boyfriend
    i'm not deaf myself, but i can see why people would see it as an "attack" on their way of living, their culture. they had an episode about this topic on HOUSE last year and it really made me wonder how anyone, parents or their children could deal with CIs, being deaf in general. I can objectively say however that i'm glad people have a choice, not the best choice, but a choice per say. i can only hope there will be more choices out there for anyone who might otherwise be handicapped in any way. #deaf
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    Jesus Diaz promoted this comment theseraph was starred theseraph was unstarred
    Image of Technogen Technogen
    11/15/09

    In reply to Psychic Powers, Cochlear Implants, and My Bionic Ex-Boyfriend
    I've been deaf since 11 years old, I've had to use hearing aids since I was 16, the last part of this is something I have always dreamed of. a Cochlear implant is a VERY hard choice for a person to make because the procedure is 100% irreversible currently, on top of that the possibly of serious damage to the body from it scares a great number of people.

    Having said that I think that if we reach the point that it starts enhancing humans people will grasp on to it. Why carry around a cellphone when you can just talk to someone with your thoughts. Computer interface would get moved forward so fast that the next generation would look at our current most advanced interfaces and say WTF.

    Neurotechnology will result in the human race reaching the Singularity point instead of having passing on our existence to pure machines.

    Cybernetics, in which ever form it may come, is the next step in human evolution. #deaf
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    Sir Gibler promoted this comment Technogen was starred Technogen was unstarred
    Image of Technogen Technogen
    11/15/09

    @Technogen: Replying to myself so others can see the point I'm going to make.

    To people who are going "Why wouldn't people do this, why fight being able to hear?" There are a few reasons for this.

    1.) Deaf communities are very supportive of their members and doing something to step outside the community is akin to saying you no longer want to be part of the community at all. There are many deaf colleges and schools around the world where you have to be deaf to attend that place, this could be more then a hear or not hear, but also learn or not learn.

    2.) Getting a CI is a VERY hard choice, not only is it 100% irreversible its also life threatening.

    Would you chose to use your cellphone if it had the risk that you would never be able to move again after you use it?

    Sadly many public schools in the world do not teach any form of sign language, so people with hearing disabilities tend to live in communities with other deaf people so they can communicate with other people, CI's offer these people a chance to communicate with everyone else, at the cost of alienating their long time friends. A CI is a last resort device, its when you absolutely have no other way of communicating with people. #deaf
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    Image of aerospaceman aerospaceman
    11/15/09

    In reply to Psychic Powers, Cochlear Implants, and My Bionic Ex-Boyfriend
    what people who already posses ESP to a certain degree? #deaf
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    Image of Curves Curves
    11/15/09

    @aerospaceman: I knew you were going to say that. ;) #deaf
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    Image of drgeelo drgeelo
    11/15/09

    In reply to Psychic Powers, Cochlear Implants, and My Bionic Ex-Boyfriend
    I remember watching a documentary by a woman (who had normal hearing) who filmed her two deaf parents before and after they received cochlear implants. It was interesting to see how the implant has a different impact on each individual. I vaguely remember the mother actually not wearing her implant several months after the surgery and preferring it that way. I think it had to do with the fact that the implant just made things sound like static to her.

    Its important to realize that cochlear implants are different from hearing aids in that the individuals receiving them have never heard sounds before. As a result, their brain has not "learned" how to interpret sounds and their meanings. I remember from one of my neuroscience courses in medical school that when a part of the brain is underutilized during development, it will eventually take upon another role. In other words, the auditory cortex of a deaf person, while equivalent in size to a "normal" person during the womb stages, slowly decreases in size as the neurons fail to get activated after birth. It isn't that the auditory cortex disappears, but rather other sensory cortices (tactile, visual, olfactory) start using up the neurons. Therefore, when a cochlear implant is introduced, which part of the brain is now equipped to handle this new stimuli?

    I, myself, am hearing impaired since birth (profound-severe downward sloping hearing loss) but utilize hearing aids to get by. While they do amplify sounds, I still struggle with loud environments and rely heavily on lip-reading. I remember a time when I thought cochlear implant would be the best thing that could have happened, but after doing my research, I realized that if I were to get it, I would have to "re-learn" language as sounds would be different, and my brain would need time (possibly years) to readjust to these new sounds before being able to interpret them into language.

    As an interesting tidbit, I once had a patient during my psychiatric emergency rotation (I am a psychiatric resident...yes i realize the irony - a hard-of-hearing individual practicing a branch of medicine which involves heavily upon listening - but if anything it has made me focus more on the patient talking as I want to ensure I hear everything). Anyway, the patient was deaf, but was experiencing a psychotic depression in which she claimed she was hearing voices. I thought it was fascinating as she had never experienced sound, yet she stated that she was hearing people laughing at her. It would have been interesting to have done a SPECT scan on her to determine which part of the brain may have been lighting up during these episodes.

    Sorry for the long post. Just wanted to share some information on a topic that hits close to home. #deaf
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    LindsayJoy's MBP is into S+M promoted this comment Curves approved this comment drgeelo was starred drgeelo was unstarred
    Image of GeekyWarrior GeekyWarrior
    11/15/09

    @drgeelo: I just wanted to say I enjoyed reading this post, very interesting and informative. (Not being sarcastic) #deaf
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    32ndnote promoted this comment GeekyWarrior was starred GeekyWarrior was unstarred
    Image of jeter1 jeter1
    11/16/09

    @drgeelo: I'm also hearing impaired and I received the cochlear implant back in 2001. I was one of those deafies that was against CI's. Strange! It was due to Meniere's Disease which brought about severe bouts of dizziness and total deafness in the end. There is practically no cure for Meniere's and the dizzy bouts were just godawful and very disabling. I took the gamble to have the CI implanted as I heard that there was a 50/50 chance of CI's stopping the dizzy bouts. Voila it did stop the dizzy bouts and I'm very grateful for that. On top of that I do enjoy hearing better. Deafies have argued with me over CI's but when I say it helped me with Meniere's symptoms, they stop arguing cold. Most of them know how awful Meniere's can be. To this day no one really understands how the CI helps those with Meniere's. It doesn't stop the progress of the disease tho. I've since then got increasing poor balance senses. But even then it's far preferable to the dizzy bouts.
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    Duckspwn promoted this comment jeter1 was starred jeter1 was unstarred
    Image of Duckspwn Duckspwn
    11/16/09

    @jeter1: Quit commenting the same thing multiple times. They don't show up because you are not yet an approved commenter. Once you comment a few more times and you are approved, your comments will always show up. Just thought I would let you know.
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    Edited by Duckspwn at 11/16/09 5:59 PM Duckspwn was starred Duckspwn was unstarred
    Image of Reil: Lifehacker Ninja Stars Reil: Lifehacker Ninja Stars
    11/15/09

    In reply to Psychic Powers, Cochlear Implants, and My Bionic Ex-Boyfriend
    Or it could help you remember where to put your keys. ;3

    If technology were to ever progress that far, I'd think that humans would sort of mesh together into a giant mind-blob... thing, with thoughts and emotions propogating and stewing throughout all the connected people.

    Also, lolcats would be EVERYWHERE. #deaf
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    Image of Joanna Stern Joanna Stern
    11/15/09

    In reply to Psychic Powers, Cochlear Implants, and My Bionic Ex-Boyfriend
    It is hard for me to understand those that shun CIs. They can allow people to hear things they never thought they would ever hear - a beeping microwave, a bird's chirp, a car's honk. And even the chime of a Windows starting up :) #deaf
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    Image of Philip Han Philip Han
    11/15/09

    In reply to Psychic Powers, Cochlear Implants, and My Bionic Ex-Boyfriend
    Nice job with the picture ;)

    Unless it was stock or bought. #deaf
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    32ndnote promoted this comment Philip Han was starred Philip Han was unstarred
    Image of 32ndnote 32ndnote
    11/15/09

    @Philip Han: It says JesusDiaz on it. If there's an image that looks especially appealing on Gizmodo, it was most likely his Photoshop work looking down at your inferiority. #deaf
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    Image of Philip Han Philip Han
    11/15/09


    @32ndnote: Wow, thanks for putting me down.

    I didn't see it, I'm not a retard like you. (get it?) #deaf
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    Philip Han was starred Philip Han was unstarred
    Image of 32ndnote 32ndnote
    11/16/09

    @Philip Han: Ah! Just re-read my post. I was referring to him looking down at the general inferiority of anyone else that attempts photoshop. #deaf
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    32ndnote was starred 32ndnote was unstarred
    Image of Philip Han Philip Han
    11/16/09

    @32ndnote: Aaah ok lol

    I'm pretty good at Photoshop, but I take a long time to get things going because I'm a perfectionist... I hate almost all of my work, and the work I still like is riddled with mistakes in my eyes... #deaf
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    Image of TheSonOfKrypton TheSonOfKrypton
    11/15/09

    In reply to Psychic Powers, Cochlear Implants, and My Bionic Ex-Boyfriend
    In the future, I wonder how many Christians will berate cybernetic enhancements as "The Mark of Beast" in the future... #deaf
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    Image of EdgarJPublius EdgarJPublius
    11/15/09

    @TheSonOfKrypton: yea, sure, the future, as if it doesn't already happen... #deaf
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    TheSonOfKrypton promoted this comment EdgarJPublius was starred EdgarJPublius was unstarred
    Image of franco1975 franco1975
    11/15/09

    @TheSonOfKrypton: Bad case of pot calling the kettle black most of the time.... #deaf
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    TheSonOfKrypton promoted this comment franco1975 was starred franco1975 was unstarred
    Image of TheSonOfKrypton TheSonOfKrypton
    11/15/09

    @TheSonOfKrypton: Sorry for the double "in the future"....I was about to enter a ground war game in COD MW:2 and was distracted. #deaf
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    Image of Technogen Technogen
    11/15/09

    @TheSonOfKrypton: This already happens a good bit, people are scared that putting things in you is the mark of the beast. There have been small implants to let you do anything form carry your OS around with you to unlocking doors and keeping your ID. #deaf
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