I browsed through the comment threads on this one specifically to see if anyone else has the same comments or complaints that I have about the way in which Gizmodo was redesigned. I have no problems with the new Hashtag System, nor being able to sort the comments from oldest to newest, and vice versa.
My main problem is with the fact that I can preview ALL of the articles like I used to be able to. One one page of Giz I maybe see photos and intro paragraphs attached to 50-25% of them now, whereas before the terrible redesign, I at least could SELECT an option to see all of the articles previewed on the blog. Now there isn't even an option anymore. I have to guess if I want to read something that just has a headline with it, and hope that the hashtag refers to something I might be interested in.
There are so many articles I KNOW I'm missing out on because when they're a block of 3 miniature headlines , I just glaze over them whilst looking at the pretty pictures. On top of all that , it's never the same articles twice! Sometimes I come back and find an article I really wanted to show a friend has been truncated, so you can no longer say to yourself Hm. it's been a tech heavy day, so it might have moved to page 6 since I read it this morning", now you have to find your hidden hashtag search location (seriously guys, why make it smaller than your "tips" box?) and hope you can hit the lotto on a keyword.
Seriously Giz, I love you like a brother. You've offered no end of entertainment, and gotten me ahead of the curve on so many things (I even forgive you for the ones that end up being nasty rumor and innuendo), but enough is enough.
Follow the adage, "If it ain't broke, don't 'fix' it". And if there is a way to change it back to the way it was originally, or at least enable certain viewing styles, the location of that is so perfectly hidden it may as well be a godsdamned Rebel Base.
Please take the words to heart, even from a non starred commenter like me.
@JYHASH: Aparently it took longer to form my comment edit than time allowed, but I also have this to add-
The same thing applies with the inability to read the comment threads with any expectations of good commentary when there are these larger problems with the site as a whole. On top of that, the lack of Star explanation is absolutely unacceptable. As it is, I was a commenter on Giz for a whole YEAR before I was even able to find a 2 year old article on a completely different Gawker website kind of being vague about the whole process. The lack of any centralized ability to have permalinks for these specific questions is a throwback to GeoCities type stylings, guys. That's AngelFire crap, man.
Lastly, some questions: Preventing certain groups from having access to certain elements of information is akin to what, Giz? Is preventing certain commenters from getting info about how to function within the site your own version of a need for "Gizmodo Net Neutrality"? But I guess some commenters are more equal than others, right? #comments
I have been "auditioning" for quite some time now, and I'm getting really frustrated. Why should I keep TRYING to contribute, if I feel that no one is ever going to approve me? #comments
I have now read through most of the responses (although I did manage to catch a nap on the back 9) and am thoroughly amused by the whole affair. Gizmodo wants commenters with good taste? Are you fucking kidding me? That seems akin to Hannibal Lecter telling Buffalo Bill that his fashion style sucks.
I used to also be a much more regular commenter, but then was banned for no reason for a month. You guys seem to hand out bans and stars without any discernible pattern. Perhaps work on the commenting system and you'll get better comments? #comments
Am I the only one that likes off-topic comments and comments made by trolls? Those are the fun ones to read. If everyone stayed on topic, the comments would be so boring.
I have managed to move onto other parts of Gawker because of my distaste for where Gizmodo has been going. I think some of the articles themselves have been so so ( a lot of flame bating for Apple vs PC, and questionable subjects that really provoke nothing but odd, off topic comments) lately as is your choice of who you star.
When you're staring people that can't even type with proper grammar and spelling, whom also make comments such as 'will it blend', because they have an alluring avatar, or they are a friend of a friend of a friend, you are only getting what you ask for.
I hope this isn't taken too harshly, just an observation from a long time reader. #comments
@Shamoononon: I shave my legs.: I don't like you much, but I've been wondering when you'll get a star. I think you deserve one more than a lot of people that actually have one. You and appletoad.
@€hЯ!§: Thanks, I really appreciate that. I actually prefer not to have a star though, some people deserve them, some don't, but I like to lurk in the shadows and pounce when least expected. I don't need the ego boost.
@Shamoononon: I shave my legs.: Well, it used to not matter if you were a star commenter except to look important and approve hidden comments. But now that Giz has non-featured comments hidden by default, so many people don't ever see your comments and commenting feels like a waste sometimes. Since comments that don't deserve it get promoted sometimes and comments that should be promoted aren't, it's not really a fair system. #comments
@Shamoononon: I actually agree with both you and €hЯ!§ (can that even be pronounced? - or is that question off-topic?) To some extent, the new commenting system may simply need some time to work the bugs out to improve the comments being made. To be honest, I would prefer it defaulted to showing all comments, for example.
I also agree that some of the best comments are "off topic". I don't mind the off-topic posts, either. Admittedly, the over-stated jokes and Star Wars references can get old, but just because a conversation goes off-tangent does not make it a bad comment. Perhaps I am just too forgiving of folks, though.
Still, I applaud Mr. Lam and Co for being brave and trying the new system, and also applaud them for tossing their preferences out there. It is great we can have open conversations about the way all of us want Gizmodo to be run. Hopefully the system will continue to improve and we can please more folks in the future. #comments
@Shamoononon:
Anonymoose, Appletoad, PurpleMonkeyDishwasher and yourself are the four best starless commenters. Although you do not desire a star, you do however, deserve one. #comments
I'm going to echo what others have said--and honestly--I hate the new commenting system. Do I have to be familiar to get starred? I've been in plenty of threads where noone is promoted and to a novice reader of this (and Gawker sites in general) blog, it looks like no one cares enough to comment. And I really wonder--I've seen great comments in grey and weak ones promoted. #comments
@Brian Lam: If this has already been done, throw this in the "disregard" pile, but it seems to me that it's been some time since we've seen a "Commenting 101" or "Star FAQ" be posted.With the influx of those not only new to commenting but Giz at large, might the masses and unstarred naives benefit from a refresh?
I myself (long-time reader, sporadic commenter, unstarred naive) am still not entirely sure if the star process has changed since it was launched--I remember when it went live, it was understood to be largely based on editor/contributor ascription, but I don't know if that process changed as the site's comment traffic has scaled considerably.
I personally felt I hadn't done anything stellar enough to earn my star, and put me within the same rank as Nutbastard or Ponies!. It was more of Blam or someone who felt that Giz just needed more Star commenters, and lowered the bar.
I mean, don't take it away or anything. I love my star. I just feel like Gawker (not Giz) may have caused this issue with the new commenting system. #comments
@whiteknight89 still plays DiabloII: Should stars only be for Super High Quality Posters? I think they should be for anyone posting comments that positively add to the discussion. Through insight, information, or humor is fine. That will make reading the comments better. #comments
@Neimo: agreed. i don't think there should be a ridiculous amount, however it'd be nice to be able to earn a star without commenting thirty times a day, and getting lucky on top of that. positive comments and helping one another out. i really like that you are now notified when someone replies to your comment. it helped me attempt to help out someone else who wanted to ask me a question. can't really tell if they got my response though. it would be sweet if commenting almost became part of the blog itself. maybe returned comments show up in your actual feed when you open the page, and if there was a way to email the person without breaking privacy. sometimes people ask questions and i'd like to be able to help, but i don't know how to be sure they'll get a response! #comments
@Neimo: Yeah, I agree. Even though I'm not "starred" I tend to cancel about half of the comments that I go to write and just don't even bother submitting them. Even if I have a good point to make, I'll avoid posting sometimes just because I think it will fall on deaf ears anyway: So why bother? #comments
You see, I started reading Giz a couple years ago and one of the biggest reason to keep reading it, was and still is the comment section. And even though a lot of you are saying that this new comments system sucks, I actually like it. The fact that I had to be promoted by someone else just made me "work harder" on my comments (read: thinking before writing, not just throw random words and hope they magically become a full sentence).
Also, Mr. Lam, "do not feed the trolls" is kind of like saying at the zoo "do not feed the animals". There's always somone who will give the monkey their popcorn or whatever greasy food they have on their hands.
@pKoba: Precisely. All it takes is a few moments of thought to come up with something good. Trolling and terrible comments (and I've been guilty of this myself) come from one-line posts / responses with zero intellectual value. Most of the time, "trolls" just refers to anybody that enjoys an Apple product. It also refers to facebook commenters. But sometimes, occasionally, it means what it's supposed to mean. In time, troll comments get pushed to the back, "disappearing in the abyss" as @Worf: mentioned, and [edit]maybe being a reason for[/edit] @deanhatescoffee: to hate on Giz commenting system a bit less. Their posts are below.
@pKoba: Agreed. I like the fact that you have to be approved for commenting privileges before being able to comment. Engadget has had issues for years with comments and it's the primary reason I don't even bother with them anymore. Too many kids and trolls. However your "do not feed the animals" theory is off. I feed the zoo animals because they are cute and I feel bad for them, whereas trolls are ugly, hate-filled heathens that only get fed because they say something that people just can't ignore. Similar to Glenn Beck. #comments
@otko: Nice..
Just an FYI... Having political beliefs that you don't share does not equal "hate filled". Tough concept, to wrap your head around,I know, when you are supposed to be the 'tolerant' side of the argument.
Patton once said, "If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking". #comments
@otko: You got a point there about the trolls theory, I wasn't saying that trolls are as cute as zoo animals (they're not!), but the fact that when someone says "do not feed whatever", somebody, somewhere will feed it.
See, here we go off topic again... Staying on topic is hard man!
@valkilmerisawful: Did not know that trolls are pushed back, good to hear that. Also, thank you for promoting me. #comments
@SSRPaulO: The Glenn Beck thing was more or less about trolling in general and the things they have in common. They both say things to get attention, shock value, or just to get people talking.
And Homer once said, "Well Scooby Doo can doo doo, but Jimmy Carter, is smarter" #comments
I read all the comments (I have show all comments on), but comment less.
Mostly because the un-starred comments are often quite good. The only reason I end up reading the promoted comments is because sometimes it appears Giz doesn't want to respect my "Show all comments" preference in my profile.
I comment less simply because of the number of comments already means mine will disappear in the abyss. #comments
I don't comment on Giz or LH nearly as much as I used to because I really dislike the "newest first" system, in addition to the (based on other comments in this thread) unpopular starred comments. I want to see all comments in the order in which they came. It just makes more sense that way.
One more thing, and this is kind of a bash (which I try not to do): the Gawker network should switch to Intense Debate for comments. Seriously. Get a real commenting system, with tracking and everything. I don't understand why your web dudes spend so much time tweaking this comment system when a nice, full-fledged commenting system already exists. #comments
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My main problem is with the fact that I can preview ALL of the articles like I used to be able to. One one page of Giz I maybe see photos and intro paragraphs attached to 50-25% of them now, whereas before the terrible redesign, I at least could SELECT an option to see all of the articles previewed on the blog. Now there isn't even an option anymore. I have to guess if I want to read something that just has a headline with it, and hope that the hashtag refers to something I might be interested in.
There are so many articles I KNOW I'm missing out on because when they're a block of 3 miniature headlines , I just glaze over them whilst looking at the pretty pictures. On top of all that , it's never the same articles twice! Sometimes I come back and find an article I really wanted to show a friend has been truncated, so you can no longer say to yourself Hm. it's been a tech heavy day, so it might have moved to page 6 since I read it this morning", now you have to find your hidden hashtag search location (seriously guys, why make it smaller than your "tips" box?) and hope you can hit the lotto on a keyword.
Seriously Giz, I love you like a brother. You've offered no end of entertainment, and gotten me ahead of the curve on so many things (I even forgive you for the ones that end up being nasty rumor and innuendo), but enough is enough.
Follow the adage, "If it ain't broke, don't 'fix' it". And if there is a way to change it back to the way it was originally, or at least enable certain viewing styles, the location of that is so perfectly hidden it may as well be a godsdamned Rebel Base.
Please take the words to heart, even from a non starred commenter like me.
Your brother from another mother,
JYH #comments
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The same thing applies with the inability to read the comment threads with any expectations of good commentary when there are these larger problems with the site as a whole. On top of that, the lack of Star explanation is absolutely unacceptable. As it is, I was a commenter on Giz for a whole YEAR before I was even able to find a 2 year old article on a completely different Gawker website kind of being vague about the whole process. The lack of any centralized ability to have permalinks for these specific questions is a throwback to GeoCities type stylings, guys. That's AngelFire crap, man.
Lastly, some questions: Preventing certain groups from having access to certain elements of information is akin to what, Giz? Is preventing certain commenters from getting info about how to function within the site your own version of a need for "Gizmodo Net Neutrality"? But I guess some commenters are more equal than others, right? #comments
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Maybe that's just me. #comments
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When you're staring people that can't even type with proper grammar and spelling, whom also make comments such as 'will it blend', because they have an alluring avatar, or they are a friend of a friend of a friend, you are only getting what you ask for.
I hope this isn't taken too harshly, just an observation from a long time reader. #comments
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And hey, I just friended you. #comments
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Friended back. #comments
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I also agree that some of the best comments are "off topic". I don't mind the off-topic posts, either. Admittedly, the over-stated jokes and Star Wars references can get old, but just because a conversation goes off-tangent does not make it a bad comment. Perhaps I am just too forgiving of folks, though.
Still, I applaud Mr. Lam and Co for being brave and trying the new system, and also applaud them for tossing their preferences out there. It is great we can have open conversations about the way all of us want Gizmodo to be run. Hopefully the system will continue to improve and we can please more folks in the future. #comments
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Anonymoose, Appletoad, PurpleMonkeyDishwasher and yourself are the four best starless commenters. Although you do not desire a star, you do however, deserve one. #comments
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I myself (long-time reader, sporadic commenter, unstarred naive) am still not entirely sure if the star process has changed since it was launched--I remember when it went live, it was understood to be largely based on editor/contributor ascription, but I don't know if that process changed as the site's comment traffic has scaled considerably.
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I mean, don't take it away or anything. I love my star. I just feel like Gawker (not Giz) may have caused this issue with the new commenting system. #comments
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Also, Mr. Lam, "do not feed the trolls" is kind of like saying at the zoo "do not feed the animals". There's always somone who will give the monkey their popcorn or whatever greasy food they have on their hands.
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Just an FYI... Having political beliefs that you don't share does not equal "hate filled". Tough concept, to wrap your head around,I know, when you are supposed to be the 'tolerant' side of the argument.
Patton once said, "If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking". #comments
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See, here we go off topic again... Staying on topic is hard man!
@valkilmerisawful: Did not know that trolls are pushed back, good to hear that. Also, thank you for promoting me. #comments
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And Homer once said, "Well Scooby Doo can doo doo, but Jimmy Carter, is smarter" #comments
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Mostly because the un-starred comments are often quite good. The only reason I end up reading the promoted comments is because sometimes it appears Giz doesn't want to respect my "Show all comments" preference in my profile.
I comment less simply because of the number of comments already means mine will disappear in the abyss. #comments
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One more thing, and this is kind of a bash (which I try not to do): the Gawker network should switch to Intense Debate for comments. Seriously. Get a real commenting system, with tracking and everything. I don't understand why your web dudes spend so much time tweaking this comment system when a nice, full-fledged commenting system already exists. #comments