The resistive screen on the 5800 isn't that bad at all. My only real gripe about the phone is that it's too damn small. They should have made it a little wider and a bit longer...
Linux advocates remind me of bicycles. No, really.
More than a century ago, when cycling was first becoming popular, a Victorian humorist named Jerome K. Jerome pointed out that you could either ride a bike or "maintain" a bike -- but not both. The bikes of "maintainers" are always in several pieces because they are tightening the spokes, adjusting the chain, replacing the brakes, or something. They never actually get to ride their bikes. If you enjoy riding, he advised, never, ever try to maintain your bike.
And this is precisely what the Linux advocates don't understand: while they may get great pleasure from the process of assembling, tuning and tweaking the ideal setup, some of us just want to get on and go for a ride.
@iPhoneUser: such a fan boy... you would buy a box full of dog crap if apple put their logo on it and say it was the best thing. Just make yourself a hackintosh and save your money.
@TheCrudMan: "Low-end" specifications for the Mac Pro weigh in at over $2,200. On top of that, you still have a lot of machine that you don't need. I think the kind of form factor many are here wishing for is something along the size of one of the smaller Dell XPS slimline systems, or the like. It would have a full desktop hard drive, proper desktop components and greater expandability than an iMac or Mac Mini, but not be overkill for anyone who just wants a modest workhorse for the desk.
A tablet (either slate style or convertible) had a COMPUTER SIZED form factor and a touch screen. 3" is not a computer sized form factor.
A Netbook is a feature/power light, small form factor laptop that is CHEAP (~$400). I'll admit that the Air is terribly underpowered and lacks many common features found on other laptops but its form factor and price clearly prevent it from being considered a netbook.
@BigCementPigeon: Even Fanbois wouldnt purchase what I described for 799, 699 I believe they would. Hell people paid that much for iphone 2G, what do i know
@G_Money21: So where would Apple be able to save ~$1k (prob ~$600 in actual production costs) by simply reducing the form factor a few inches and giving you less RAM?
Not sure why Apple would enter the netbook market. There are 2 reasons to get a netbook, One is portability, which I feel the Macbook Air covers. The other is price, which Apple don't ever compete on.
@Islam Moe: Weight and size are the biggest factors in portability (if not the only). What circumstance would prevent any small, light electronic from being portable?
Without some sort of pressure sensitive pen similar to a wacom tablet, this would be a complete fail. And if apple were to release a touchscreen tablet with pen capabilities then making it a netbook would be retarded since you would need a system that is capable or running photoshop or painter.
@jun2san: It doesn't have to be pressure-sensitive. There is a stylus designed to work on capacitive displays, so Apple could just as well use that, seen here in an old Giz article.
Seriously, if you are using photoshop or painter, you're not using a netbook.
I've been a photoshop pro for 15 years and there's no way I'd use an underpowered, tiny screened netbook to do my work on.
It might be good for a scribble type application to take notes, concept really rpugh ideas but there's no way professionals in general would need this to run photoshop and painter.
@soulfinger: Thanks soulfinger. That's what I'm trying to say. I meant to say "capable OF running" but you catch my drift. I've been using a cintiq and painter x for my artwork and there is no way I would ever buy a netbook to do all that. This article had better be just a rumor.
@soulfinger: I don't think that it was a real "photoshop professional" that was whining about it being able to run photoshop.
I think a lot of the problem Apple has had conceptually with the netbook phenomenon is that many if not most Mac users just expect everything to magically work (without any use of basic logic or forethought).
And netbooks being more about a value-proposition rather than a functionality-proposition don't allow for the processing oomph to really let you just install any power hungry program you want and go to town. So I suspect that Apple foresaw some possible backlash from their users if they were to introduce a machine that was underpowered by Mac standards, and if they made it powerful enough to satisfy their users it would no longer be inexpensive (by Mac standards anyway)...
@bpapa9013: This is something Apple's pretty much kept us comfortable with. Every single system Apple sells is capable of running Photoshop very well, so it stands to reason that even their netbook should be able to handle imaging software like CS3/4. At bare minimum a netbook sporting hardware going back to the very first Macbook can still run PS with relative ease, so I don't see why not.
Apple isn't slow at making a netbook, they look at the market and when they see that the market is staying the same with features, they come out with a product that ups the anty and then the market is sow to adopt that.
@Antonio Rivera: The reason the Netbook market has stagnated is mostly due to two factors:
1. Pretty much everyone that wants a netbook already has one.
2. The next generation of netbook hardware (new Atom procs and Ion boards) is just around the corner, and in some cases already starting to drop, so what is the point in introducing new features on existing hardware that would cost $$$ in R&D and production modifications, when an essentially all new platform is just around the corner? The manufacturers are just putting those new features into that next platform.
You can probably thank Sony for Mac starting to look seriously at making a netbook (of some kind). The initial response to Sony's netbook has indicated to Apple that the Mac Tax may not entirely destroy their chances of having a retail success at a Mac appropriate price point. But being that their design (based on the rumors anyway) seems to be more of an ultra-light slate-tablet, who knows, it will probably end up being $1200.
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More than a century ago, when cycling was first becoming popular, a Victorian humorist named Jerome K. Jerome pointed out that you could either ride a bike or "maintain" a bike -- but not both. The bikes of "maintainers" are always in several pieces because they are tightening the spokes, adjusting the chain, replacing the brakes, or something. They never actually get to ride their bikes. If you enjoy riding, he advised, never, ever try to maintain your bike.
And this is precisely what the Linux advocates don't understand: while they may get great pleasure from the process of assembling, tuning and tweaking the ideal setup, some of us just want to get on and go for a ride.
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STAR FOR YOU SIR!!
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hope I can put a sim card in there for mobile internet and not just wifi
and will buy it for sure :)
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Just configure a mac pro to low end specifications.
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True, they have a good product, but I would rather have an Open Source alternative than their junk, no matter how lucrative it looks.
One of the reasons, I did not buy the iPod or iPhone - both are crap.
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Sounds like any new Netbook they could come up with would be poaching off of existing products.
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iPhone/iPod Touch != Tablet
Air != Netbook
A tablet (either slate style or convertible) had a COMPUTER SIZED form factor and a touch screen. 3" is not a computer sized form factor.
A Netbook is a feature/power light, small form factor laptop that is CHEAP (~$400). I'll admit that the Air is terribly underpowered and lacks many common features found on other laptops but its form factor and price clearly prevent it from being considered a netbook.
There, consider yourself learn'd.
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Which is a shame, because I'd like one without having to sell a car or a kidney to get it. :)
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battery consumption.
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Ultra-portable = not underpowered, not cheap.
Netbook = underpowered, cheap.
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[gizmodo.com]
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Seriously, if you are using photoshop or painter, you're not using a netbook.
I've been a photoshop pro for 15 years and there's no way I'd use an underpowered, tiny screened netbook to do my work on.
It might be good for a scribble type application to take notes, concept really rpugh ideas but there's no way professionals in general would need this to run photoshop and painter.
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I think a lot of the problem Apple has had conceptually with the netbook phenomenon is that many if not most Mac users just expect everything to magically work (without any use of basic logic or forethought).
And netbooks being more about a value-proposition rather than a functionality-proposition don't allow for the processing oomph to really let you just install any power hungry program you want and go to town. So I suspect that Apple foresaw some possible backlash from their users if they were to introduce a machine that was underpowered by Mac standards, and if they made it powerful enough to satisfy their users it would no longer be inexpensive (by Mac standards anyway)...
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I wish the world revolved around me...
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That is how Apple works.
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1. Pretty much everyone that wants a netbook already has one.
2. The next generation of netbook hardware (new Atom procs and Ion boards) is just around the corner, and in some cases already starting to drop, so what is the point in introducing new features on existing hardware that would cost $$$ in R&D and production modifications, when an essentially all new platform is just around the corner? The manufacturers are just putting those new features into that next platform.
You can probably thank Sony for Mac starting to look seriously at making a netbook (of some kind). The initial response to Sony's netbook has indicated to Apple that the Mac Tax may not entirely destroy their chances of having a retail success at a Mac appropriate price point. But being that their design (based on the rumors anyway) seems to be more of an ultra-light slate-tablet, who knows, it will probably end up being $1200.