It is exciting this is finally out, but what I am curious about is why it took so long? Clearly this was not a rocket-science situation, both platforms should have had Netflix ages before it was released. So, what happened? Was it to get Microsoft to pay for the exclusivity of forcing PS3 owners to put a disc in the drive? (Wow, that was worth the price, Ballmer - putting discs in drives is almost as exhausting as shaking a fruit juice bottle.) Does Netflix just not have coders available? Or maybe Sony is paying for this program somehow?
Sorry, just my usual Friday afternoon round of confusion. #netflixps3
@irfan: Oh, open season is great - I would love a version of Netflix streaming for my Amiga 3000. 4096 colors is cutting edge technology and I so miss the Guru Meditation errors.
Uh oh, I am showing my age again. I'll shut up now. #netflixps3
@ajs237: I don't know if you're referring to the anime selection or the video selection as a whole.
I can't say I've watched any anime on Netflix streaming, but there are plenty of good non-anime titles on there. If all you watch is anime, I'd have to wonder why you are trying to mock people for their taste. #netflixps3
@WickedEast1: Bullshit. The amount of anime that reaches the US is infinitesimal compared to the amount that is actually released. There are gargantuan amounts of crap anime out there. There is some great anime, too. But your comment reeks of Japanophilia. #netflixps3
How many 360 owners whose consoles are connected to the internet don't have Live gold? It doesn't really cost anything if you're actually using your console at all. #netflixps3
@MarcusMaximus: I used this exact same excuse to get my wife to agree to me buying a Ferrari - I promised I would drive it every day so it really wouldn't cost anything. For some reason, she didn't buy it. Weird. #netflixps3
@ASchwarzenegger: Eh, more like saying, "Since I'm driving to work anyway, it doesn't cost me extra to listen to the car radio". As opposed to sitting in the driveway with the engine idling listening to the radio. #netflixps3
@TwoLaneBlackTop: Your analogy makes perfect sense since everyone who owns a car will be purchasing petrol to drive it. However, not everyone who buys a 360 purchases the online services. That is where the dichotomy begins.
This is ridiculous. How do you tell your customers that you are screwed so easily? This is like saying, "We don't care about you. This system is banned, and it will stay that way."
FU MS. I will go with ps3. #xbox
@hcho3: How is this any different than any other nontransferable warentey?
How is this any different than buying a used car that turns out to be a lemon? It's not the responsibility of Honda to ensure the car still works, that's up to the reseller. #xbox
Despite the official "warranty is not transferable" policy, Microsoft still fixed the 360 I purchased used when it RROD'd. They'll make an exception for things that are their fault.
Things that are YOUR fault on the other hand... #xbox
buying anything used has always been a problem. Even in the old days, the Romans would demand a warranty on their x boxes....thus the saying "caveat emptor" #xbox
Check the comments on Major Nelson's site for a little more insight. Less-than-shady party means anyone you don't personally know.
Gamestop doesn't check if their consoles work, let alone whether they've been banned from Xbox Live, so any used console from Gamestop would run this risk.
But then again, I've never really supported Gamestop's used sales. Developers get the same money from pirated games as used games, so whats the difference? You're not supporting them in either case. #xbox
@Guard: "Developers get the same money from pirated games as used games, so whats the difference? You're not supporting them in either case."
Just go the whole distance and declare that libraries should be burned to the ground because authors only get one sale for an unlimited number of readers.
While you're at it, educate yourself on the First Sale Doctrine.
@Guard: Developers DO get paid for used game sales. Please learn some economics.
Knowing that you have the option to take a game back to Gamestop (or elsewhere) and get some money for a trade-in adds value and increases the chance of the original purchase. Studies show a significant amount of new games sales at places like Gamestop come back as a trade-in a few weeks later and that person buys the next new release. You think all those people buying the new release would buy as many games without being able to trade-in those they didn't really want to hold on to? #xbox
@newgalactic: They did that with the first-gen XBox. Need to unban your console? Swap the EEPROM and hard drive from another console. (the hard drive unlock key is in the 'PROM so you have to swap the drive with it, too. #xbox
My unmodded 360 is still hardware banned. I doubt microsoft will have any amnesty because it was opened to install better cooling for RROD prevention. Meh. #xbox
@4nonymo: Its not that they detected me opening it. Its that they banned it for no reason, but it was opened already so i cant take it back. Its time to consider retail fraud. Modern Warfare 2 is coming in 5 days, #xbox
Hardware banning is total bullshit. It ensures that the resale value of the consoles go in the toilet, and in turn makes for a greater amount of sales of new hardware. The "risk" of repeat offenders returning to Live is also bullshit, because no doubt anyone seriously addicted to the service will return on a new XBox anyway.
Hardware support is a different issue entirely. Questionable to non-existent warranty support is naturally inherent to buying used electronics, but the online service should not be inextricably tied to the device's warranty.
This has been the policy since BEFORE the initial Xbox Live rollout in 2002. The beta testers (myself included) got a ban for mod chips. The Xbox was flagged, even if the mod was removed, it was banned.
Same thing held true with Softmods. I know there are more reasons for a ban now, but the policy has always been once a unit was banned, you could not unban it. #xbox
Seems incredibly wasteful to ban *hardware*. After all, it was the user that violated MS policy, not the xbox.
If MS really cared about anything other than money, it would ban specific users instead of their xboxes, but a banned user can't pay the monthly fee... #xbox
@bluespot: No, because then that user would just sign up for another account. Banning the xbox 360 is the only way to ensure that user won't get on anymore. It does make sense, though it sucks for people who buy the broken xbox. #xbox
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What's so slick about any of that? #netflixps3
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Five bucks says you don't own an xbox anyway, so getting rid of it is pretty simple huh? #netflixps3
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Sorry, just my usual Friday afternoon round of confusion. #netflixps3
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Uh oh, I am showing my age again. I'll shut up now. #netflixps3
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I can't say I've watched any anime on Netflix streaming, but there are plenty of good non-anime titles on there. If all you watch is anime, I'd have to wonder why you are trying to mock people for their taste. #netflixps3
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That's like saying gas doesn't cost anything because I use it in my car. All the time!!
It still costs money, just because you don't see it come out every month, you still pay for that subscription albeit yearly. #netflixps3
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I am sticking to my analogy damnit!!! :p #netflixps3
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FU MS. I will go with ps3. #xbox
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How is this any different than buying a used car that turns out to be a lemon? It's not the responsibility of Honda to ensure the car still works, that's up to the reseller. #xbox
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Things that are YOUR fault on the other hand... #xbox
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(and yes, I know the media center capabilities & online community of the 360 pick the PS3's butt) #xbox
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Gamestop doesn't check if their consoles work, let alone whether they've been banned from Xbox Live, so any used console from Gamestop would run this risk.
But then again, I've never really supported Gamestop's used sales. Developers get the same money from pirated games as used games, so whats the difference? You're not supporting them in either case. #xbox
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Just go the whole distance and declare that libraries should be burned to the ground because authors only get one sale for an unlimited number of readers.
While you're at it, educate yourself on the First Sale Doctrine.
[en.wikipedia.org] #xbox
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Knowing that you have the option to take a game back to Gamestop (or elsewhere) and get some money for a trade-in adds value and increases the chance of the original purchase. Studies show a significant amount of new games sales at places like Gamestop come back as a trade-in a few weeks later and that person buys the next new release. You think all those people buying the new release would buy as many games without being able to trade-in those they didn't really want to hold on to? #xbox
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Not that there's a huge market for re-enabled xbox 360's. And it would probably take forever. But it would be kinda cool. #xbox
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@HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H.: Probably? No. There is no intrusion switch in the 360. lol @ that shit
@chanaz: There's always a reason. #xbox
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Hardware support is a different issue entirely. Questionable to non-existent warranty support is naturally inherent to buying used electronics, but the online service should not be inextricably tied to the device's warranty.
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Same thing held true with Softmods. I know there are more reasons for a ban now, but the policy has always been once a unit was banned, you could not unban it. #xbox
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If MS really cared about anything other than money, it would ban specific users instead of their xboxes, but a banned user can't pay the monthly fee... #xbox
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