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    Image of Sonicslasher Sonicslasher
    11/17/09

    In reply to Tasers Are Safer Than Fists and Batons, Less Safe Than Not Beating People Up
    Words and patience don't stop a druggie on LSD. #tasers
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    11/17/09

    @Sonicslasher: You know what does? A kalidoscope. #tasers
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    Image of P3nnst8r P3nnst8r
    11/17/09

    In reply to Tasers Are Safer Than Fists and Batons, Less Safe Than Not Beating People Up
    DON'T TASE ME.... Oh, really? Well, go ahead then, bro. #tasers
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    11/17/09

    In reply to Tasers Are Safer Than Fists and Batons, Less Safe Than Not Beating People Up
    I'm shocked by the results of this study.
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    Edited by Coolmodo at 11/17/09 7:27 PM Coolmodo was starred Coolmodo was unstarred
    Image of jacobestes jacobestes
    11/17/09

    @Coolmodo: This doesn't make any sense...beating the shit out of somebody with a baton is more dangerous than using a taser? What about when they used guns? Wait a second. What if they are handcuffed and the officers take turns hitting them? Jeez I really don't get this. #tasers
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    Image of Nathan Obbards Nathan Obbards
    11/17/09

    @jacobestes: It's barbaric and stunning that the punnery was lost upon you. #tasers
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    11/18/09

    @Nathan Obbards: ...I was making jokey joke?
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    Image of brdystyls006 brdystyls006
    11/17/09

    In reply to Tasers Are Safer Than Fists and Batons, Less Safe Than Not Beating People Up
    I am sorry but just the thought of being tased wouldn't be (given it acts on your nervous system) safer. Yes I would agree that not having to beat the crap out someone would be safe for both the cop and the perp. But I just see someone with a mental problem getting tased and either flipping out and taking it with a smile. Or killing the instantly.
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    Image of sloanstrife sloanstrife
    11/17/09

    @brdystyls006: the thought wouldn't be safer?

    killing the[m] instantly? honestly... #tasers
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    Image of B3ND3R B3ND3R
    11/17/09

    In reply to Tasers Are Safer Than Fists and Batons, Less Safe Than Not Beating People Up
    I have no problem with police using tasers.

    I have a huge problem with the use of tasers being the default response for every situation. It is increasingly viewed as a proportionate response in every situation.

    Somebody running off at the mouth? Tase 'em. Don't think somebody is moving fast enough? Tase 'em. Oh, somebody has a speech impediment? Tase 'em.

    The exponential increase in the use of tasers is akin to the school bully who gives everyone smaller than them a purple nurple or a titty twister. They do it because they can and because anyone who complains is just being a crybaby. Aww.... does that hurt? Waaaaa!

    It's an epidemic, and the legislature seems loathe to take it on lest they be painted as liberal hippie douches who put the safety of criminals over the safety of cops.

    [Jasper]Talking out of turn... That's a tasin’. Looking out the window... That's a tasin’. Staring at my sandals... That's a tasin’. Paddling the school canoe...ooh, you better believe that's a tasin’[/Jasper]
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    Nathan Obbards promoted this comment Edited by B3ND3R at 11/17/09 7:09 PM B3ND3R was starred B3ND3R was unstarred
    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    11/17/09

    @B3ND3R: +freakin 1 for Jasper #tasers
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    11/17/09

    @B3ND3R: A lot of it is laziness, I think, coupled with training that does not emphasize creative conflict resolution. The cop "knows" that tasing is non-lethal and "allowed", so it becomes a sort of default response, instead of what it should be, which is an alternative to the use of deadly force (shooting with a gun or use of a baton to the nogin). #tasers
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    Image of Hello Mister Walrus Hello Mister Walrus
    11/17/09

    In reply to Tasers Are Safer Than Fists and Batons, Less Safe Than Not Beating People Up
    Since we're talking about this, is there a study on the relative dangers of candle wax, whipping and voluntary asphyxiation? You never know when you might... uh, run into unexpected situations. #tasers
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    11/17/09

    @Hello Mister Walrus: oh lawdy #tasers
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    Image of badhatharry badhatharry
    11/17/09

    @Hello Mister Walrus: I just started dating this super-hot goth girl, so I will have an exhaustedly researched study in a few weeks when I get tired of her and move on to something new. #tasers
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    11/17/09

    @badhatharry: Pics or it didn't happen <3 #tasers
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    11/17/09


    @00000000: Here. #tasers
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    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    11/17/09

    @badhatharry: That's what Guillermo Del Toro will look like if he goes to hell. #tasers
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    11/17/09

    @badhatharry: Love the hair! <3 #tasers
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    Image of AyeEye AyeEye
    11/17/09

    In reply to Tasers Are Safer Than Fists and Batons, Less Safe Than Not Beating People Up
    To be politically correct it should be
    "alleged perpetrator" (I hate that word) ...
    When the police are in a position to need the baton or taser the alleged is usually wearing his wife beater t-shirt and has finished off a case of beer.
    Zap first ask questions later. #tasers
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    Image of Nathan Obbards Nathan Obbards
    11/17/09

    @AyeEye: If you're in a wife beater, have drunk a case of beer (Bud, Natty, PBR, Shaefer, Keystone, Schlitz, whatever), you deserve to have your ass tazed, if just for the hope that it will zap some sense into you. #tasers
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    Image of nutbastard nutbastard
    11/17/09

    @Nathan Obbards:

    whew, thank god i wear thermals. #tasers
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    11/17/09


    @nutbastard: That's why I only drink in a onesie. The cop would be too busy laughing his ass off at me to taze me and I could make a clean getaway. #tasers
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    11/17/09

    @Nathan Obbards: I'm speechless, they actually make them in those sizes?? That means there is actually a market for them? Wtf!? #tasers
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    Image of Nathan Obbards Nathan Obbards
    11/17/09

    @Coolmodo: How else do you think I get the ladies when I go to bars? Women love a man in a onesie. #tasers
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    11/17/09

    @Nathan Obbards: Screw women, I just want my footy pajamas! #tasers
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    Image of AyeEye AyeEye
    11/17/09

    @Nathan Obbards: You gotta figure that with that much beer and voltage going through them they might suffer from loss of bladder control.

    cop #1" I'm not taking him in my squad car"

    cop #2 " you tazed him, you carry him, you know how long it takes to get the smell of wiz out of the upholstery?" #tasers
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    11/17/09

    @Nathan Obbards: No tail? No thank you! #tasers
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    Nathan Obbards promoted this comment Wilson was starred Wilson was unstarred
    Image of Nathan Obbards Nathan Obbards
    11/17/09

    @wilson_c: Hey, hey no furries or hipsters. #tasers
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    Image of nutbastard nutbastard
    11/17/09

    In reply to Tasers Are Safer Than Fists and Batons, Less Safe Than Not Beating People Up
    on star trek, it's "don't phase me, bro!"

    in colleges, it's "don't haze me, bro!"

    for native americans, it's "don't maize me, bro!"

    you could threaten a snot rocket: "don't nase me, bro!"

    or try to shave them against their will:
    "don't raze me, bro!"

    in an art museum: "don't vase me, bro!"

    when dealing with an unaccepting orphan:
    "don't raise me, bro!"
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    Edited by nutbastard at 11/17/09 6:49 PM nutbastard was starred nutbastard was unstarred
    Image of Lite: hates Illinois Nazis Lite: hates Illinois Nazis
    11/17/09

    If you're an indentured servant is it: Don't enslave me bro? #tasers
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    Image of HeroOfTomorrow HeroOfTomorrow
    11/17/09

    @nutbastard: While being insane, it's "don't craze me, bro!"

    While being hit in the face, it's "don't daze me, bro!"

    While being Steve Jobs, it's "turtlenecks ARE TOO 2009!" #tasers
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    Image of Nathan Obbards Nathan Obbards
    11/17/09

    @nutbastard: And if a streetwalker gets the tazer it's: ''Don't taze me, ho!'' #tasers
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    Image of DSArmageddon DSArmageddon
    11/17/09

    In reply to Tasers Are Safer Than Fists and Batons, Less Safe Than Not Beating People Up
    The force of law is based upon the force of violence. Without the capacity for violence in law enforcement, there would be little motivation (for most) t0 follow the laws.

    For most criminals, when caught/confronted, the impending threat of violence is enough to compel compliance. For some criminals, actual violence is required to compel compliance.

    They need more than simple law to compel compliance, or else they wouldn't be violating the law in the first place.
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    ripfire promoted this comment Nathan Obbards approved this comment DSArmageddon was starred DSArmageddon was unstarred
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    11/17/09

    @DSArmageddon: It doesn't even have to be a violent scenario. Sometimes, an officer would need to arrest a person. If that person defies, what is the officer going to do? Say "Oh come on! Pretty please! With cherry on top?" #tasers
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    11/17/09

    @ripfire: Define defy. If it is purely passive resistance (i.e. arresting Ghandi), put the cuffs on him and haul him to the police car. If he's too big, get another cop to help. If two cops can't do it, then either you are arresting Evil Penn Gillette, Shaq or the Refrigerator, or your cops need more gym time. #tasers
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    11/17/09

    @DSArmageddon: Your first statement is not accurate. Law based on the use of violence is corporal law, and how you imply its use is authoritarianism.

    The force of law is based on the trial system and the possibility of imprisonment. Law enforcement officers use violence as a tool to force an indicted individual to stand trial, but they are not the enforcers of law. If a tool existed that could force an indicted individual to stand trial without the use of violence, violence would become completely unnecessary in law enforcement. #tasers
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    Image of ThePaul ThePaul
    11/17/09

    In reply to Tasers Are Safer Than Fists and Batons, Less Safe Than Not Beating People Up
    Meh. "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me."

    Speaking from an officer's standpoint, we are not *supposed* to engage suspects with more than the force necessary to overcome the threat. The argument can be made over and over that the responding officer made the situation worse by his/her demeanor or presence, but let's face it: If you've got two barbs hanging off of your ass from a pissed off officer who has been disenfranchised by the very legal system he is sworn to uphold, chances are you've done something to deserve said barbs in the ass.

    Happily, I've never had to use more than command presence and "verbal judo" to have someone comply with my instructions. If, however, I had to choose between spending weeks in a hospital after a fistfight with a PCP user and tasering that fucker into submission, I'd choose the taser.

    I may not represent the majority of officers, and I don't intend to speak for everybody, but I know that in my head, I still have a romanticized image of the law and its application, and I definitely do not go into any situation with intent to cause harm. I live in a reactive world, not a proactive world. If I draw my weapon, it's only because my life or someone else's life is in danger, and I'm already behind the power curve. Again, that's just me.

    Cue flamewar. #tasers
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    11/17/09

    @ThePaul: Kudos to you sir. There needs to be more officers like you, I think. #tasers
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    Image of ThePaul ThePaul
    11/17/09

    @mike.m: There are. They just don't make for interesting news reports.

    "A police officer in New Hampshire used only the amount of force necessary to subdue a dangerous suspect" can't be glamorized. #tasers
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    11/17/09

    @mike.m: Agreed. Good on ya Paul. If only more people understood the dangers that officers face in the field everyday they might be more compassionate. And if only more officers thought of using force the way you do (as opposed to those "few" who may tend to use it in ALL situations) we would all be much better off.

    Fact of the matter, if a cop says, "don't move, put your hands in the air," then frucking dont move! And put your damn hands in the air! Too many people think it's their "right" to say, "screw you, I didn't do anything wrong, I'm not putting my hands up!" Well, if you didn't do anything then just put your damn hands up, let the officer control the situation, figure it all out, and realize that you didn't do anything, and you'll be on your way. Most people don't realize that cops have to treat EVERY situation as a life threatening encounter because, you know, that one that they DON'T treat that way... #tasers
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    11/17/09

    @ThePaul: A very good point; one that fundamentally changed my reaction to this post.

    Initially it was the article quote: "controlling for factors such as the amount of resistance shown by the suspect" that concerned me. Because really, how objectively can you control for that? Your comment though, about media glamorization (a concept I've conveyed in other situations many-a-time), reminded me that we're probably talking about a very small percentage of total law enforcement confrontations.

    Every now and then a video shows up on youtube of a quivering college kid that had no business being tased. The anger I feel upon that kind of news tends to blind me to the fact that this is one of who knows how many douchey college kids that run afoul of the law, without inappropriate (read: newsworthy) incident.

    So thank you @ThePaul. An enlightening moment for me.

    And I completely agree with @ninjamurf. Officers have to approach a "standard" traffic stop very differently from the person being stopped. Every situation is a potential life threatening one when you're tasked to protect and serve. That's a reality more people need to realize. I especially like the part, "... let the officer control the situation..." Yep. No harm in that, especially if you haven't done anything wrong. #tasers
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    11/17/09

    @ThePaul: The PCP comment is quite apt, I think. I have quite a few friends who are cops (in Canada, so less guns, more drugs) and one of the biggest problems is a guy all hopped up on PCP or speedballs, because in some cases these guys just don't fee pain. Pepperspray, beenbag rounds and in one case sliding down the stairs headfirst - they just didn't notice or care. Sure they were taking damage that would hurt later, but at the time they were feeling no pain and in no mood to give up. #tasers
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    11/17/09

    @ThePaul: bullshit. #tasers
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    11/17/09

    @sortius: And? What the hell is this? #tasers
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    11/17/09

    In reply to Tasers Are Safer Than Fists and Batons, Less Safe Than Not Beating People Up
    "Taser use reduced the overall risk of injury by 65 per cent."

    so what, they miss 65% of the time? because as far as i can tell, getting tased has a 100% chance of causing injury.
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    Edited by nutbastard at 11/17/09 6:44 PM nutbastard was starred nutbastard was unstarred
    Image of Nathan Obbards Nathan Obbards
    11/17/09

    @nutbastard: No broken bones, bruises, head trauma, internal injuries, etc. When you have to violently subdue someone vs. tazing them, you run the risk of inflicting damage on them. While some cops do get taze happy and taze too much, I can guarantee you that if a cop has to use physical force, there will be much more force than is needed to take you down. I have no intention of being tazed, but I would much rather be tazed than have my ass handed to me. #tasers
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    11/17/09

    @Nathan Obbards:

    true true. cops and football players have a tendency to give 110%. #tasers
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    Image of Nathan Obbards Nathan Obbards
    11/17/09

    @nutbastard: I think it has to do with adrenaline mixed with anger more than anything. Cops do not like to have to resort to physical confrontations as they are dangerous to them. If they do have to, that adrenaline mixed with anger at the end is likely to result in some cheap shots. Is it right? By no means, but at the same time, it is incredibly hard to control at any level of training. #tasers
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    11/17/09

    @Nathan Obbards:

    i agree. it's impossible to dial in the right amount of force, and when it's your ass on the line, you tend to err on the side of excess, since the alternative could get you killed. #tasers
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    11/17/09

    @Nathan Obbards: I don't know, everything else I've ever have handed to me hasn't been so bad.

    "'Scuse me, sir? I think you dropped this."

    Oh, my. Thank you. It would have been a very long flight. #tasers
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    11/17/09

    @Nathan Obbards: I'm not so sure about how I feel about the "... at any level of training." I've always felt like humanity should in general be better at controlling emotion and response, but more than that anyone with the right training I think should be expected to avoid "cheap shots." Those are for you and me in a bar, not for people with "potentially violent confrontation" in their job description. #tasers
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    Nathan Obbards promoted this comment phool was starred phool was unstarred
    Image of Nathan Obbards Nathan Obbards
    11/17/09

    @phool: I agree that they should be able to harness their emotions better, but it can be hard. Honestly, my stance is that if we actually started treating cops with more respect, it would be reciprocated, but if you are treated like shit day in day out by people, it can be hard not to let it get to you. There are some truly great cops out there and there are some people who should be behind bars, not putting people behind bars. I do stand by that claim though, that in the heat of the moment, no matter how well you are trained, it can be hard to know when to stop. I also think that, though understandable, cops who take cheap shots should be reprimanded, and not in the ''take a paid week off'' kind of way. #tasers
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    11/17/09

    In reply to Tasers Are Safer Than Fists and Batons, Less Safe Than Not Beating People Up
    I hear hippies burst into smoke when tased. #tasers
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    11/17/09

    @IUHoos: But it's marijuana smoke. Or patchoulli. #tasers
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    11/17/09

    In reply to Tasers Are Safer Than Fists and Batons, Less Safe Than Not Beating People Up
    It's easy for people not on the street to say things like "use words and patience." #tasers
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    Image of snoop_dizzle snoop_dizzle
    11/17/09

    In reply to Tasers Are Safer Than Fists and Batons, Less Safe Than Not Beating People Up
    What about laughing gas? Instead of launching tear gas canisters, laughing gas could make it fun for everyone. ;)
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    Canoehead promoted this comment Edited by snoop_dizzle at 11/17/09 6:29 PM snoop_dizzle was starred snoop_dizzle was unstarred
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    11/17/09

    @snoop_dizzle: Good luck controlling the dosage - and that stuff can also kill ya if you have the right preexisting condition. #tasers
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    11/17/09

    @Canoehead: Then we are merely in the same position as tasers! As that could trigger preexisting conditions as well. This time though, everyone will laugh. ;) #tasers
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    11/18/09

    @snoop_dizzle: But what about the preexisting conditions of bystanders? What about if the wind shifts and the cop gets a facefull?
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    11/18/09

    @Canoehead: I can dream can't I?!?!? :P
    I was kinda joking ;)
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    11/17/09

    In reply to Tasers Are Safer Than Fists and Batons, Less Safe Than Not Beating People Up
    I know my girlfriend's super pissed at me when she looks at me like I'm a total ass and says, "Use your words". #tasers
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