iPhone will be the first to fall, there is so much research being done into exploiting it just to open the phone up it'll be first. Only chance it's got is if it's running 3.0 beta.
Android is a wild card, it's either going to fall shortly after the iPhone or it'll fall last, if at all. The double edged sword of an open OS, all the vulnerabilities are there to see, but since there are no restrictions on what you can do there isn't as much incentive to try and break it.
Symbian, due to it's global market share dominance, will fall second or third, depending on where Android drops.
I'm not sure which will get broken next, WinMo or BB. There's a reason WinMo is the OS on the only NSA approved smartphone, but at the same time BB would not be the success it is in the corporate world if it wasn't secure.
That's kind of embarrassing for Safari. Considering the fact that most of here won't even touch IE with a ten foot pole, and is hated by web developers such as myself to a certain extent. I can't believe it still takes a couple of hours to crack IE & Firefox.
I'm not hating on Apple, but their security by obscurity is catching up to them real fast, and they need to do something about it before they get caught with their pants down.
@GotMex?: In other words, nobody cares enough to try the exploits on the whole six people who use Safari or a Mac. It's secure because the hackers aim for the bigger fish.
@the new face of racial america: You almost hacked me? You never hacked me - you never hacked your cpu... Vista crackin' not Linux crackin' like you should. You're lucky that 3gb shot of RAM didn't blow the welds on the heat sync! You almost hacked me?
Ask any leeter. Any real leeter. It don't matter if you win by an kb or a Gb. Winning's winning.
@mrzippy: Well, the exploit ran in under 10 seconds. This is important because some exploits may take longer, or require more user interaction. This under 10 secs thing means to me that as soon as you visit a compromised site, you're screwed
@mrzippy: Not only did they probably spend months learning about the exploits, but they spent years of their lives learning computers and getting various training. You could argue that it took this person twenty some years to hack into this thing, and the hack of IE took twenty some years plus an hour. Not certain that is going to change the perception, however.
@Troy Stockton: Yeah, all you have to do is tell you that you love her and boom. Too bad that while she's riding you she'll slit your throat and pump nitrous down the hole so that while you laugh you cry, and while she laughs you die.
@the_sidewinder: When I think of "Symbian", I picture in my mind a Sybian. It is truly an unfortunate association, or fortunate, depending on what mood I'm in.
@klaybc: "My new Nigerian friend says I have nothing to worry about."
And why should you? Even if your computer does get hacked, you can buy as many replacements as you'd like using your soon-to-be acquired $126,000,000.00 windfall.
I love my 3g, but I am jealous of those 1st gen users. I really wish I could retrofit an aluminum back to the 3g. That would be the shiz. You would have the ULTIMATE status phone, with all the capabilities of the newer version.
@ubercaff: I love my 1st generation iPhone. I was having some issues with it and got a brand new one the other day. It is so lovely. I'm near wi-fi 99% of the time, so who needs 3G (which sucks most of the time anyway)? Not me. I'm so glad I didn't "upgrade" to the 3G phone.
Then there's law. Federal warranty law and plenty of cases since the '70s to define a company's (and the user's) responsibilities. Things like fitness for use, reasonable use (iPhone makes a terrible hammer) and failure to perform. A manufacturer's obligation to repair, replace or compensate. But, let's forget all that. Everybody seems to.
Anybody can sue for anything. They find some sucker with a Bar ticket, willing to tell them how righteous they are (hey, the Bimmer payment's due) and it's game on. Name in the paper, suing APPLE, the whole deal.
Fucked up the jack areas, Apple? Fix 'em, add reinforcement, change the resin mix, whatever; probably long since done. Then give this idiot a new case. Finis.
But, that doesn't fix the problem, does it?
Egotistical, narcissistic aholes who believe they deserve a McMansion, 7 Series and a perfect, seamless life finding themselves in pain because the world just doesn't work the way it looks through their macro lens. Thanks Ayn, Dr. Ginott, etc. We got what we wished for.
For the rest of us (anybody left?) if it doesn't bleed, it doesn't lead. Wouldn't trade that for progress-sucking perfection, anyday, iPhone lawsuit boy. But, that's just me.
The "way too hot McDonalds Coffee," was a legitmate case. Why can't this be too? I'm playing Devil's Advicate here, but while on the surface this lawsuit may seem superficial, it may actually hold substance when looked at from a different angle. My iPhone is cracking too... I wouldn't sue, but still from others that I know, I believe it maybe a problem. In any case there is no reason to hate on the lawsuit bringers... even if they deserve it. That McDonalds coffee that spilled was over boiling point. Coffee is suppossed to be served well before boiling point. That makes that case reasonable. Imagine spilling liquid above 125 degrees on your lap... and you bitch about people bitching about their iPhone, tsk tsk.
Let's play where's the tort. Putting a cup of boiling coffee between your legs (BTW, boiling point on my planet: 212f) implies at least a little contributory negligence, no? Even so, if harm was caused, there's the potential of liability. Fair enough.
That said, but for a an ego of epic proportion, disabled by the inability to be seen in public with iPhone micro-cracks, I'm not sure this rises to the test of harm.
This is about the warranty. Go to Apple, ask for a fix, give them reasonable time to repair, replace or refund (that sticky, required-by-law stuff, again) and get on with your life. If they fail to perform, then sue for the value of the phone, plus any damages from the failure (pain and suffering don't count) and buy something, anything else. I've got a Western Electric bakelite number that's guaranteed to remain intact through the next ice age, if you're shopping.
@HKLV: I love when people extrapolate from stereotypes and scant information how they think the world works.
First off, let's take this out of the world of iPhones. Let's say you buy a car. After 6 months, you notice that the interior trim is cracking and little bits of foam padding are coming from the cracks. Do you sue?
Bear in mind - interior trim in no way affects the functioning of the car and the car is still driveable. It is purely cosmetic. Nonetheless, you bought the car, in no small part, because you like the aesthetics. You thought the layout looked nice. The dealer won't pay to fix the trim and the manufacturer put a clause in the warranty disclaiming coverage for it. You had no chance to read that warranty before purchase though. Even if you had, you had no chance to negotiate terms.
Now what if the car also occasionally stalled out as well. Nothing dangerous but what if every so often, when at a stop light, your car (in addition to having cracked interior trim) stalled out 5% of the time when at a stop light. And what if about once a day, while listening to music, the car stereo would shut itself off. What if the mileage advertised was nowhere near real-world performance too?
Without the court system, you'd have no recourse.
The iPhone drops calls, has a crashy browser, is prone to lagginess, and appears to be have poor QC implementation as evinced by the cracking problem.
As to the McDonald's case, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
In that case, McDonald's was serving coffee at 190* to people that it knew, or should have known, would be drinking it in a moving vehicle. This was 20* hotter than other restaurants. McDonald's knew its coffee sometimes caused serious injuries but took no action to change their conduct. The jury held that it was unreasonable to serve coffee at near-boiling temperatures.
A little perspective is needed. The jury award was the equivalent of less than 2 days of sales from coffee. And if that doesn't put things in perspective, consider that following post-trial motions, the judge lowered the punitive damages assessed by over $2 million to $480,000.
Moreover, it's not like the plaintiff ran to the courthouse. She wasn't looking for a handout. She was looking for payment for medical bills caused by McDonald's negligence.
The plaintiff initially asked McDonald's for $20,000 to cover her medical costs, which were $11,000, but the company offered only $800. During discovery, McDonald's refused Morgan's offer to settle for $90,000.
And at the close of discovery, plaintiff's attorney demanded $300,000, and a mediator suggested $225,000 just before trial, but McDonald's refused to increase its offer. (BTW: "demand" and "offer" are actual legal terms used in settlement negotiations)
A world without lawyers is a world without safety.
Oh, and "one more thing" - tort law is common law and varies by State. The only way you get into federal court in a negligence action is through diversity of jurisdiction.
What a crybaby. If you don't like your cellular phone then you unload it on Craigslist or Kijiji and buy a competitor's product. Cry me a river, tech-pussy.
@General Halfshaftery: Agreed, this is stupid. Since when is it OK to sue a company just because you a product didn't live up to your expectations.
If Apple has been selling iPhones pre-cracked, then they should do something about it. But that's not grounds for a lawsuit. By the looks of those pictures that is not a brand new iPhone, it's pretty scratched up. I've dropped my iPhone 3G a couple times and it's not nearly as scratched as those pics.
If you don't like the iPhone go buy a Nokia N95, G1, or a Blackberry Bold and STFU.
@Gregnog: It's been okay to sue for that for a while.
It's called "breach of implied warranty of fitness for a particular purpose" and "breach of warranty of merchantability". Granted, on the first count, there's not much there, but the second one is a colorable claim.
Moreover, at the end of the day, Apple is a company that manufactures things and one thing that companies that manufacture things don't do is risk taking verdicts.
Give this a few years and it'll settle. Consider the settlement as a method of adjusting the price point of a product that appears to have been either not well-designed or rushed to market.
And I can't say I disagree with the plaintiff on this one.
@infiniteloop: Threats of violence and profanity - nice social skills. The anonymity of the internet makes you a big man. Too bad it doesn't make you an intelligent one.
Carbon Fiber is x-ray transparent, but not radio transparent. We have worked with both medical components that utilize this, and have tried to make GPS cases for race cars out of carbon, with bad results. Would not be extremely expensive in this size, but certainly more that the yogurt container material they are using now. I agree, they should go back to aluminum, or a least offer a higher end model.
@Derek Devine: i agree, but the switch to a plastic back was supposed to enhance reception.. i don't understand how you could sue someone else for YOUR wear and tear on the phone.
03/19/09
Android is a wild card, it's either going to fall shortly after the iPhone or it'll fall last, if at all. The double edged sword of an open OS, all the vulnerabilities are there to see, but since there are no restrictions on what you can do there isn't as much incentive to try and break it.
Symbian, due to it's global market share dominance, will fall second or third, depending on where Android drops.
I'm not sure which will get broken next, WinMo or BB. There's a reason WinMo is the OS on the only NSA approved smartphone, but at the same time BB would not be the success it is in the corporate world if it wasn't secure.
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I'm not hating on Apple, but their security by obscurity is catching up to them real fast, and they need to do something about it before they get caught with their pants down.
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Frankly, that describes some of my happiest moments.
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Wow! Lucky for you then, Groz, that they aim for bigger fish, not bigger asshats.
And, no, I don't disparage you just because of this one slightly-trollish comment. I disparage you based on your history of trollish-commenting.
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Ask any leeter. Any real leeter. It don't matter if you win by an kb or a Gb. Winning's winning.
03/19/09
I guess I'll move back to Lynx for my web reading then....
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All he did was load a website with the exploit in 10 seconds.
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That's pretty much what would happen if I ever met Natalie Portman. 10 seconds after we meet...BOOM...I've been morally compromised.
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Of course it always reminds me of this song about the Headless Cowboy Monkey.
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And why should you? Even if your computer does get hacked, you can buy as many replacements as you'd like using your soon-to-be acquired $126,000,000.00 windfall.
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Anybody can sue for anything. They find some sucker with a Bar ticket, willing to tell them how righteous they are (hey, the Bimmer payment's due) and it's game on. Name in the paper, suing APPLE, the whole deal.
Fucked up the jack areas, Apple? Fix 'em, add reinforcement, change the resin mix, whatever; probably long since done. Then give this idiot a new case. Finis.
But, that doesn't fix the problem, does it?
Egotistical, narcissistic aholes who believe they deserve a McMansion, 7 Series and a perfect, seamless life finding themselves in pain because the world just doesn't work the way it looks through their macro lens. Thanks Ayn, Dr. Ginott, etc. We got what we wished for.
For the rest of us (anybody left?) if it doesn't bleed, it doesn't lead. Wouldn't trade that for progress-sucking perfection, anyday, iPhone lawsuit boy. But, that's just me.
11/16/08
The "way too hot McDonalds Coffee," was a legitmate case. Why can't this be too? I'm playing Devil's Advicate here, but while on the surface this lawsuit may seem superficial, it may actually hold substance when looked at from a different angle. My iPhone is cracking too... I wouldn't sue, but still from others that I know, I believe it maybe a problem. In any case there is no reason to hate on the lawsuit bringers... even if they deserve it. That McDonalds coffee that spilled was over boiling point. Coffee is suppossed to be served well before boiling point. That makes that case reasonable. Imagine spilling liquid above 125 degrees on your lap... and you bitch about people bitching about their iPhone, tsk tsk.
11/16/08
Let's play where's the tort. Putting a cup of boiling coffee between your legs (BTW, boiling point on my planet: 212f) implies at least a little contributory negligence, no? Even so, if harm was caused, there's the potential of liability. Fair enough.
That said, but for a an ego of epic proportion, disabled by the inability to be seen in public with iPhone micro-cracks, I'm not sure this rises to the test of harm.
This is about the warranty. Go to Apple, ask for a fix, give them reasonable time to repair, replace or refund (that sticky, required-by-law stuff, again) and get on with your life. If they fail to perform, then sue for the value of the phone, plus any damages from the failure (pain and suffering don't count) and buy something, anything else. I've got a Western Electric bakelite number that's guaranteed to remain intact through the next ice age, if you're shopping.
11/16/08
First off, let's take this out of the world of iPhones. Let's say you buy a car. After 6 months, you notice that the interior trim is cracking and little bits of foam padding are coming from the cracks. Do you sue?
Bear in mind - interior trim in no way affects the functioning of the car and the car is still driveable. It is purely cosmetic. Nonetheless, you bought the car, in no small part, because you like the aesthetics. You thought the layout looked nice. The dealer won't pay to fix the trim and the manufacturer put a clause in the warranty disclaiming coverage for it. You had no chance to read that warranty before purchase though. Even if you had, you had no chance to negotiate terms.
Now what if the car also occasionally stalled out as well. Nothing dangerous but what if every so often, when at a stop light, your car (in addition to having cracked interior trim) stalled out 5% of the time when at a stop light. And what if about once a day, while listening to music, the car stereo would shut itself off. What if the mileage advertised was nowhere near real-world performance too?
Without the court system, you'd have no recourse.
The iPhone drops calls, has a crashy browser, is prone to lagginess, and appears to be have poor QC implementation as evinced by the cracking problem.
As to the McDonald's case, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
In that case, McDonald's was serving coffee at 190* to people that it knew, or should have known, would be drinking it in a moving vehicle. This was 20* hotter than other restaurants. McDonald's knew its coffee sometimes caused serious injuries but took no action to change their conduct. The jury held that it was unreasonable to serve coffee at near-boiling temperatures.
A little perspective is needed. The jury award was the equivalent of less than 2 days of sales from coffee. And if that doesn't put things in perspective, consider that following post-trial motions, the judge lowered the punitive damages assessed by over $2 million to $480,000.
Moreover, it's not like the plaintiff ran to the courthouse. She wasn't looking for a handout. She was looking for payment for medical bills caused by McDonald's negligence.
The plaintiff initially asked McDonald's for $20,000 to cover her medical costs, which were $11,000, but the company offered only $800. During discovery, McDonald's refused Morgan's offer to settle for $90,000.
And at the close of discovery, plaintiff's attorney demanded $300,000, and a mediator suggested $225,000 just before trial, but McDonald's refused to increase its offer. (BTW: "demand" and "offer" are actual legal terms used in settlement negotiations)
A world without lawyers is a world without safety.
Oh, and "one more thing" - tort law is common law and varies by State. The only way you get into federal court in a negligence action is through diversity of jurisdiction.
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If Apple has been selling iPhones pre-cracked, then they should do something about it. But that's not grounds for a lawsuit. By the looks of those pictures that is not a brand new iPhone, it's pretty scratched up. I've dropped my iPhone 3G a couple times and it's not nearly as scratched as those pics.
If you don't like the iPhone go buy a Nokia N95, G1, or a Blackberry Bold and STFU.
11/15/08
Since when is it OK to sue a company just because you bought a product that didn't live up to your expectations.
11/16/08
It's called "breach of implied warranty of fitness for a particular purpose" and "breach of warranty of merchantability". Granted, on the first count, there's not much there, but the second one is a colorable claim.
Moreover, at the end of the day, Apple is a company that manufactures things and one thing that companies that manufacture things don't do is risk taking verdicts.
Give this a few years and it'll settle. Consider the settlement as a method of adjusting the price point of a product that appears to have been either not well-designed or rushed to market.
And I can't say I disagree with the plaintiff on this one.
@infiniteloop: Threats of violence and profanity - nice social skills. The anonymity of the internet makes you a big man. Too bad it doesn't make you an intelligent one.
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Carbon Fiber is x-ray transparent, but not radio transparent. We have worked with both medical components that utilize this, and have tried to make GPS cases for race cars out of carbon, with bad results. Would not be extremely expensive in this size, but certainly more that the yogurt container material they are using now. I agree, they should go back to aluminum, or a least offer a higher end model.
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"Koschitzki alleges that many of the hairline cracks are visible on unopened, unused iPhones"
For your reading pleasure.