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    Image of Slinkytech Slinkytech
    12/08/09

    In reply to World's First Bionic Finger Gives New Meaning to SuperPoke
    O. My. God. Skynet.

    Skynet must be destroyed.
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    Image of Hachiken Hachiken
    12/08/09

    In reply to World's First Bionic Finger Gives New Meaning to SuperPoke
    The guy is wearing a calculator nerd -watch! I love it! I bet he did all the cybernetic design calculations on his nerd-watch! He could've used a massively parallel supercomputer but NO! He used his nerd-watch!

    (Wipes away a tear...)
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    Image of MrEvil MrEvil
    12/08/09

    In reply to World's First Bionic Finger Gives New Meaning to SuperPoke
    I have an uncle that lost two fingers on his right hand, plus most of the bones of his right index finger. This would have been an excellent solution for him if this had been developed 15 years ago. As of now he's pretty well adapted to doing everything left handed.
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    Image of Die Fledermaus Die Fledermaus
    12/08/09

    In reply to World's First Bionic Finger Gives New Meaning to SuperPoke
    Brilliant piece of technology, Smaller will be better but all things in time. Also I am sure the speed will increase.
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    Image of Noobs-R-Us Noobs-R-Us
    12/08/09

    In reply to World's First Bionic Finger Gives New Meaning to SuperPoke
    Hopefully, they'll be able to make it smaller. This version is still a bit too big. It makes the person look awkward with one BIG hand.
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    Image of SewerShark: LOOK BEHIND YOU, A THREE HEADED MONKEY!!! SewerShark: LOOK BEHIND YOU, A THREE HEADED MONKEY!!!
    12/08/09

    @Noobs-R-Us: Well, like every technology, it takes time to optimize and miniaturize. I guess that, with the proper time, it will have the size of a normal human hand.

    But just the fact that people can grab things again (no pun intended) is fantastic.
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    Image of Bertone77 Bertone77
    12/08/09

    @Noobs-R-Us: I'm sure they will, since it's chargeable and runs on batteries thats probably where most of the bulk comes from.

    Since this is first gen it will be cool to see it improve.
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    12/08/09

    @SewerShark: LOOK BEHIND YOU, A THREE HEADED MONKEY!!!: @Bwehngamun: @Bertone77: @NyQuilPillz: It looks almost like an Inspector Gadget hand.
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    12/08/09

    In reply to World's First Bionic Finger Gives New Meaning to SuperPoke
    Sweet. I've been waiting for years to flip people the bionic finger
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    Image of Odin Odin
    11/16/09

    In reply to At What Point Would Our Cyborg-selves Cease To Be Human?
    Agree with the majority of votes, it's our minds that give us our humanity, not our bodies. Transplant me into a cat and I'm still a person that could be considered human.

    In fact I think the word human is the caveat here. We may stop being human in the biological sense but we don't stop being a person.

    If any of that rambling makes sense. #thiscyborglife
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    11/14/09

    In reply to At What Point Would Our Cyborg-selves Cease To Be Human?
    I voted on brain, but if technology is in such an advanced state that we could built a device that worked exactly like a human brain, then everything could be replaced... wouldn't even need shreds of original tissue.

    Of course, this depends on the very definition of what a human is... #thiscyborglife
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    Image of dolo54 blows minds and blows engines! dolo54 blows minds and blows engines!
    11/13/09

    In reply to At What Point Would Our Cyborg-selves Cease To Be Human?
    Reminds me of my favorite author, Philip Dick. Most of his books deal with the theme of what it means to be human. Often he will offer an android or alien as an example of what is truly human and a person as an example of how inhuman a person can be. His books are awesome mindbending freakouts.

    "More Human Than Human is our motto." -Tyrell (from Blade Runner)
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    Edited by dolo54 blows minds and blows engines! at 11/13/09 8:00 PM dolo54 blows minds and blows engines! was starred dolo54 blows minds and blows engines! was unstarred
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    11/13/09

    @dolo54 blows minds and blows engines!: And to answer the question, my answer is not on the poll. It would be, 'as long as we can feel empathy towards others.' #thiscyborglife
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    Image of Laura Woody Laura Woody
    11/14/09

    @dolo54 blows minds and blows engines!: While I agree that the capacity for the subject to experience empathy would be the individual measure of retained humanity, I wonder how such empathy could be accurately judged if the biological human identity of the subject was compromised. I am not speaking of the original consciousness but of the personal perception of belonging to the biological human race. We - biological humans - share the camaraderie of being the same species, but if such an integral part of the biological human identity is removed and replaced, would a new identity form? Would a subject no longer physiologically related to the human race retain any lingering loyalty or sense of belonging to it? Following this vein of thought, if a new identity did form and the subject no longer considered itself connected to biological humans, would the empathy be measured as directed toward other beings similarly expatriated from their biological origins? Or would the connecting empathy between the subject and biological humanity be the only measure? #thiscyborglife
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    11/14/09

    @Laura Woody: @jrghoull: @punknubbins: Actually my answer is one of PK Dick's answers. I don't think there is a "right" answer. But thinking about it that way makes you realize just how difficult a question it is. It may become a serious issue in the future if we do create an AI or have humans whose conscious is completely removed from their original physical bodies. How will these new thinking, feeling creatures be treated? What sort of rights will they have? If you kill an AI that has self-awareness, human or greater intelligence and feelings, is it murder? What if we have genetic experimentation on animals that creates a dog with human level intellect? No easy answers here, but you certainly can't draw the line at some arbitrary percentage of biological makeup. #thiscyborglife
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    Image of CrapperJohn CrapperJohn
    11/13/09

    In reply to At What Point Would Our Cyborg-selves Cease To Be Human?
    I think... Therefore I AM. #thiscyborglife
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    Image of GuyWithDogs GuyWithDogs
    11/13/09

    @CrapperJohn: That means sometimes I am NOT... It's a wonder I just don't disappear sometimes. #thiscyborglife
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    Image of CaseyG CaseyG
    11/13/09

    @GuyWithDogs: I think you're putting Descartes before the horse. #thiscyborglife
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    Image of nutbastard nutbastard
    11/13/09

    In reply to At What Point Would Our Cyborg-selves Cease To Be Human?
    human != homosapien

    to be human is to have sentience, reason, and language, and to reside in this universe. no animal or computer yet fits the bill. #thiscyborglife
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    Image of newgalactic newgalactic
    11/13/09

    In reply to At What Point Would Our Cyborg-selves Cease To Be Human?
    I would argue that the % is lower then the poll eludes. The "body" has more ties to the "mind/soul" then we realize.

    If I replace almost my entire body, enabling my static personality/mind to live forever, and I still human? The possibility of Death may contribute to being "human".
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    Image of newgalactic newgalactic
    11/13/09

    @newgalactic: Here's another thought.

    ***huge generalization coming up***

    Assuming that the majority of Gizmodo readers are "dorks/nerds" ("dorks/nerds" being less physically blessed. Yes, huge generalization/sterotype), would a "Brad Pit" type be more inclined to attach his humanity to his physical body? #thiscyborglife
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    Image of drewkkake drewkkake
    11/13/09

    In reply to At What Point Would Our Cyborg-selves Cease To Be Human?
    40%, do that the human part can still invoke cloture to prevent filibustering by its cyborg counterpart. #thiscyborglife
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    Image of Shamoononon: I shave my legs. Shamoononon: I shave my legs.
    11/13/09

    In reply to At What Point Would Our Cyborg-selves Cease To Be Human?
    I'm going to break everyone's heart here and go with, 'when you have a robotic ding dong'... since that didn't come up like fifty times this week. #thiscyborglife
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    Image of NeoAkira NeoAkira
    11/13/09

    In reply to At What Point Would Our Cyborg-selves Cease To Be Human?
    I think this depends on what you consider "human" to be. Personally, I hold a very biological view of what a human is (ie the species Homo sapien).

    As such, I would say you're no longer human if you don't have all of the following:

    Your original organic brain, and your original organic reproductive system. #thiscyborglife
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    Image of pɹɐoqʎǝʞuǝʞoɹq pɹɐoqʎǝʞuǝʞoɹq
    11/13/09

    @NeoAkira: So what if you got a hysterectomy? Are you saying my mother is no longer human in your eyes? #thiscyborglife
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    Image of NeoAkira NeoAkira
    11/13/09

    @pɹɐoqʎǝʞuǝʞoɹq:

    aha, I knew someone like you might make a response like that.

    This article is talking about replacing parts of our body with robotic components. Does your mother have a robotic uterus now? #thiscyborglife
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    Image of pɹɐoqʎǝʞuǝʞoɹq pɹɐoqʎǝʞuǝʞoɹq
    11/14/09

    @NeoAkira: True, however, your parameters for what is human did not include the replacement of natural part with robotic. You merely stated that humans are brains and reproductive organs. You statement was that the basic fundamentals a person needs are quality of organic reproduction (period) and a organic brain (period) to qualify for club of humanity "you are no longer human if you lack...". Not "if you replaced with artificial..." Your vagueness was the cause of my query, and not reason enough to be snarky.
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    Edited by pɹɐoqʎǝʞuǝʞoɹq at 11/14/09 7:06 AM pɹɐoqʎǝʞuǝʞoɹq was starred pɹɐoqʎǝʞuǝʞoɹq was unstarred
    Image of NeoAkira NeoAkira
    11/14/09

    @pɹɐoqʎǝʞuǝʞoɹq: If you had read my comment without having actually read the article, and thus completely out of context, then I'd understand.

    But otherwise, no.
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    Edited by NeoAkira at 11/14/09 11:03 AM NeoAkira was starred NeoAkira was unstarred
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