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Nathan Obbards
11/23/09

In reply to Microsoft Sued By Datel For Killing Off Third Party Xbox 360 Memory Units
''for blocking unauthorized third party memory units. ''

Why is Daltel being viewed in the right, but Palm in the wrong with iTunes. Both are examples of a company capitalizing on another companies IP without paying to license it. If Daltel bothered to license it, there wouldn't be a problem.

Do I think MS brand accessories are overpriced? Hell yes, but I also think companies should go through legal channels. I mean, this is the equivalent of someone complaining that the 5870 they bought doesn't work in their Mac Pro. Just because you make something that fits in a closed system doesn't mean that system has to support it.

Not to be an ass, but it's a 512MB from MS, not 12MB.
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Delano_J
11/23/09

@Nathan Obbards: It's not their problem if it's unauthorized, it's the customer. They can buy whatever they want to use on their own stuff. Just as well, should I not be able to use a device on my PC because it isn't licensed for windows? Please.
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Nathan Obbards
11/23/09

@Delano_J: Windows machines are an open ecosystem, the 360 is a closed ecosystem. They have every right to block an unauthorized device, especially if said device can be used for pirating. If Daltel wants to be able to use their products on the 360, they should pay a licensing fee and adhere to the standards for the system. End of story.
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pagan_god
11/23/09

@Nathan Obbards: Does Microsoft even offer licensing as an option? When I was looking for 360 memory units, there were exactly 2 choices-- Microsoft and Daltel.

Seems like FairPlay all over again.
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Nathan Obbards
11/23/09

@pagan_god: They did for the original XBox. Since I have a 360 Pro, there's no need for a memory card for me. If Daltel approached MS to be officially licensed and MS said no because they wanted to be the sole manufacturer, I could see an issue; however, if Daltel didn't seek a licensing agreement or refused to improve the quality of their products to MS's standards, then they have no room to complain.
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Delano_J
11/23/09

@Nathan Obbards: No they don't because it's only a closed ecosystem in Microsoft's eyes. But guess what? They don't own the 360 in my house nor the memory unit I buy. So I can choose whatever card I want. End of story.

They own their servers and I pay to use live-on their property. They can ban me from live or keep my files that have been passed through the card from functioning online.
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Nathan Obbards
11/23/09

@Delano_J: They do have the right to keep you from pirating games. If an unauthorized third party device is shown to play a part in pirating, they can ban it. It is your choice to do the upgrade.
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rcast1986
11/23/09

@Delano_J: I thought this was horseshit too until I read the comments and realized these are the ones that have a slot for an external card. That seems to be the issue here. And his analogy with the iTunes/Palm dilemma is spot on. I think it's a dick move on Apple's part to just cut them off like that, but they have the right to because Palm's actions go against the rules set forth by the USB committee or whoever-the-hell. This is the same with MS, only it doesn't seem like as much of a dick move unless, like you said, they're needlessly denying Datel for reasons that obviously lead to them to being able to charge whatever the hell they want to. As it is, though, it sounds like, considering the way Datel does things currently with their card reader, it's a bit more understandable that Microsoft is handling things this way.
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Delano_J
11/23/09

@Nathan Obbards: This device plays no part in pirating games, though. The only way to do that is to flash your disc drive and that does not require a memory card in any way. MS is just spewing bullshit so they can monopolize their little market segment.
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adinnieken
11/23/09

@Delano_J: Unfortunately you are incorrect.

With some free third party software, and a Datel memory product, users are cabable of 1) gamerscore cheating, 2) achievement cheating, 3) in-game cheating, 4) modifying the avatar and 5) theft/piracy of DLC including Xbox Originals, On-Demand, and Xbox LIVE Arcade games.
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Delano_J
11/24/09

@adinnieken: Okay, but that's not hardware's fault. That act is entirely on the user end, how is this Datel's fault? I can't believe people are actually advocating crippling this company's product because of something a bunch of idiots are doing, which Microsoft is wholly able to detect and auto-ban as seen in the recent bannings across live.

Oh right, some piece of paper that was never signed (or agreed to even upon firing up an Xbox for the first time, sans live) gives them the right to fuck with my property because they lobbied until they got their way. Yes, this is totally legitimate and fair business.
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adinnieken
11/24/09

@Delano_J: Sorry, Datel violated US and Internation Law in order to make and sell their hardware.

They violated the DMCA, EU Copyright Directive, and the WIPO Copyright Law.

In order to create their product, they admit in their legal briefing that they, at great expense to them, circumvented Microsoft's copy-prevention and security schemes, which is in violation of all three laws.

So, no. They have no right to sell their product in the first place. The fact that a consumer decided to purchase an unofficial, unlicensed product is the end-consumer's problem. Not Microsoft's.

#speakup
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Delano_J
11/24/09

@adinnieken: And laws are just words on paper. A big protection racket made by hardware/software giants and the government does not make it legitimate or right.
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adinnieken
11/24/09

@Delano_J: Yep...I guess Datel vs. Microsoft will be a test of DMCA then.

Nevertheless, DMCA in the US is the law. They broke the law.

#speakup
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ripfire
11/23/09

In reply to Microsoft Sued By Datel For Killing Off Third Party Xbox 360 Memory Units
"Make authorized units. No big deal.

-Steve"
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Nathan Obbards
11/23/09

@ripfire: + eleventy billion
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Kaiser-Machead
11/23/09

In reply to Microsoft Sued By Datel For Killing Off Third Party Xbox 360 Memory Units
14MB for $30? XBox tax sucks.
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lostarchitect
11/23/09

In reply to Microsoft Sued By Datel For Killing Off Third Party Xbox 360 Memory Units
Was it ever determined if this affected those knockoff chinese hard drives featured on Dealzmodo a while back? Frucci? Any luck with that? Mine's still sitting around in the box.
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pdspatrick
11/23/09

@lostarchitect: I have a 250gb model, and its working marvelously.
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lostarchitect
11/23/09

@pdspatrick: Good to know, thanks.
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ripfire
05/18/09

In reply to Datel's Xbox 360 Memory Cards Take Up to 16GB microSD Cards
I smell piracy...
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Nick
04/15/09

In reply to Lightning Review: Datel Wildfire, PS3 Dual Shock Alternative
i hope you threw it away after you tested it.
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AmishJohn
11/19/08

In reply to Datel Lite Blue Tool Hacks the PSP 3000 With a Battery
Thankfully, Nibbles doesn't recognize blink or marquee tags... If only it auto-disemvowelled caps-lock posts...
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SeventhExile
11/19/08

In reply to Datel Lite Blue Tool Hacks the PSP 3000 With a Battery
check out pandora battery (tutorials) on google.

Basically.

Go to walmart pick up an extended life psp battery.

-use a blade or screwdriver pop of the plastic coating.

-use small screwdriver or blade to break top pin of computer chip on battery (the chip has 6 pins coming of it, break the top right pin)...

- put plastic back on battery,... put in psp. wala !

- open back up solder pin back to bored.. or just push it back down either way will work really..

- keep or return to walmart.
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dingus
11/19/08

@SeventhExile: That would be useful information if Pandora worked on PSP-3000.

Also, dude, it's "voila" not "wala".
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ripfire
11/19/08

@dingus: No, he's saying "nothing". As in nothing happened when you put the battery back in.
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Glare
11/19/08

In reply to Datel Lite Blue Tool Hacks the PSP 3000 With a Battery
JUST TELL ME ONE THING!

CAN THIS HACK MY TA-88-V3 PSP 2000?! BECAUSE I BOUGHT IT 2 MONTHS AGO AND I STILL HAVEN'T PLAYED A GAME ON IT WAITING FOR HOMEBREW!

Sorry about the CAPS
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nutbastard
11/19/08

@Glare:

FYI IF YOU WANT TO BE OBNOXIOUS JUST USE THE BLINK TAG
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Alfonzo
11/19/08

@nutbastard: Please don't show him how.
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nutbastard
11/19/08

@Alfonzo:

don't worry
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