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    DirectX 10.1 vs. DirectX 11: Can You See the Difference?

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    Image of The5thElephant The5thElephant
    09/27/09

    In reply to DirectX 10.1 vs. DirectX 11: Can You See the Difference?
    I don't normally like to criticize articles on Gizmodo, but honestly this is a really shallow look at the technology.

    DX11 (in the same way as DX10) is not just about improved visual quality. It is about providing more efficient coding and interpretation so that the improved visual quality can run at a decent rate.

    For example the increased polygon count can be done in any earlier version of DX, but DX11 provides a new polygonal-interpolation algorithm which lets you increase polygon counts with very little hit on performance.

    Games in DX9 and DX10 can look vastly better than the best games today, but they would run very inefficiently compared to how the same game made in DX11 would look.

    However there ARE some new techniques in DX11 that allow for visual effects that are impossible to do dynamically in DX9 or DX10.
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    Image of Crashproof Crashproof
    09/26/09

    In reply to DirectX 10.1 vs. DirectX 11: Can You See the Difference?
    Screenshots don't tell you anything about how easy/difficult it is to code for, how well the compatibility requirements are set up and enforced, frame rate, artifacts etc.
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    Image of Bokusatsu_Tenshi Bokusatsu_Tenshi
    09/25/09

    In reply to DirectX 10.1 vs. DirectX 11: Can You See the Difference?
    One word: Staged.
    The model you see with DirectX11 can be perfectly built with DirectX 10.1 with the same level of detail for a game, lighting included.

    But I do realize they have to come up with SOMETHING as advantage.

    As for me, I'm still on DirectX 9 (after using Vista for a while) and I really don't bother with the differences... even after playing Crysis in both setups.

    It's starting to sound just like the ridiculous Sound Blaster ads. The differences are so imperceptible they have to start fabricating things or making surreal ads to fill the gaps (like the ATI ones).
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    Image of MavisGeseavie MavisGeseavie
    09/25/09

    In reply to DirectX 10.1 vs. DirectX 11: Can You See the Difference?
    You realize that OGL was completely superior to DX for a number of years, right? You realize that if MS hadn't pushed/forced devs to develop primarily for that, OGL would be an amazing thing, right? You realize that if devs worked with it again with as much

    GUSTO

    as they do with DX, it'd be likened to a ray of light from heaven?
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    ripfire promoted this comment MavisGeseavie was starred MavisGeseavie was unstarred
    Image of ripfire ripfire
    09/25/09

    @MavisGeseavie: You're dreaming. OGL is two generations behind DX.
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    Image of Bokusatsu_Tenshi Bokusatsu_Tenshi
    09/25/09

    @MavisGeseavie: Wrong.
    OpenGl was always a few steps inferior to DirectX technology-wise for obvious reasons: funding.

    But it really is far easier to code for OpenGl... it's far more organized and intuitive.

    DirectX is just a mess of illegible variables.
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    Image of BigRocket BigRocket
    09/25/09

    In reply to DirectX 10.1 vs. DirectX 11: Can You See the Difference?
    There's better color on the grass and shrubbery on the left picture. Ni!
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    Image of FriarNurgle FriarNurgle
    09/25/09

    @BigRocket: Bring me a Shrubbery!
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    Image of OMFG! Horny Manatees! OMFG! Horny Manatees!
    09/25/09

    In reply to DirectX 10.1 vs. DirectX 11: Can You See the Difference?
    heck yeah I can tell the difference! DirectX 11 greatly increases the amount of polygon faces to make for much smoother looking objects. Believe me, it's much easier rolling on a wheel instead of a block...
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    Image of omgwtflolbbqbye omgwtflolbbqbye
    09/25/09

    @OMFG! Horny Manatees!: Yea, the 2nd shot of Mr. GasMaks McFartsalot (TM) is an obvious improvement over the 1se screenshot.

    He looks more less bulky, and the sky is more photorealistic.
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    Image of Jrsy Devil's Advocate® Jrsy Devil's Advocate®
    09/25/09

    In reply to DirectX 10.1 vs. DirectX 11: Can You See the Difference?
    Can You See the Difference?

    There... Are... Four... Lights!
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    Image of Daemonicus Daemonicus
    09/25/09

    @Jrsy Devil's Bright Idea®: again captain picard how many lights are there?
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    Image of sleepfortheweak sleepfortheweak
    09/25/09

    @Jrsy Devil's Bright Idea®: Whatever you say, Captain Picard.
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    Image of Moonlighter Moonlighter
    09/25/09

    In reply to DirectX 10.1 vs. DirectX 11: Can You See the Difference?
    These screenshots only show off two technologies from DX11, tessellation and hardened shadows (shadows are more defined closer to the object casting the shadow and softer the further away it is being cast). So you're not going to see much in the way of difference between the screenshots really.
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    Image of jackbling jackbling
    09/25/09

    In reply to DirectX 10.1 vs. DirectX 11: Can You See the Difference?
    thought i would drop the toms link for their HD5870 review; there is some excellent information detailing more of the technical differences.

    Additionally the wiki page has a snippet of info. The reality is dx11 will work on dx10 cards with the exclusions, obviously, of shader 5 and tesselation.

    If you are in teh market for a video card, i would recommend waiting for nvidia's gtx300 series; they will bring 3d, physx, and prices to compete with ati offerings.

    If you are already rocking a 9800gtx+ or better, save you money for q2.

    [en.wikipedia.org]

    [www.tomshardware.com]
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    Image of Nathan Obbards Nathan Obbards
    09/25/09

    @jackbling: I don't know about the price point comparison. Usually comparable ATI cards are 2$20-50 cheaper than the nVidia. Both make great cards though. It all comes down to what games you play. Some are optimized for ATI and CrossFire/X-Fire and others for SLI/hybrid SLI
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    Image of H2H H2H
    09/25/09

    @Nathan Obbards: The cards may be ok, but Catalyst SUCKS
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    Image of AOClaus AOClaus
    09/25/09

    @H2H: agreed, i like cards from both of them but i HATE the Catalyst control center
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    Image of InsidiousTuna InsidiousTuna
    09/25/09

    In reply to DirectX 10.1 vs. DirectX 11: Can You See the Difference?
    The skybox looks drastically better in the DX11 version of the first image. In the second one, the difference seems relatively negligible, at least from the cursory look I just gave it.
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    Image of fullcircle fullcircle
    09/25/09

    In reply to DirectX 10.1 vs. DirectX 11: Can You See the Difference?
    These look shopped. I can tell from some of the pixels and having seen quite a few shops in my time
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    nutbastard promoted this comment Edited by fullcircle at 09/25/09 6:19 PM fullcircle was starred fullcircle was unstarred
    Image of nutbastard nutbastard
    09/25/09

    @fullcircle:

    really? dude?

    ...really?
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    Image of Xeno Xeno
    09/25/09

    In reply to DirectX 10.1 vs. DirectX 11: Can You See the Difference?
    With every DirectX upgrade there is always an initial period where the difference is minimal. Once developers start using all the new features and tuning their games to 11 the difference will be quite noticeable. Just load up some games built for DX9 and compare them to today.
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    Image of Large wooden badger Large wooden badger
    09/25/09

    In reply to DirectX 10.1 vs. DirectX 11: Can You See the Difference?
    Well to my eyes it looks like DX11 is much better at generating round objects ( see the filters on the gas mask) and smoothing in general. But DX11 seems to have a harder time defining depth then DX10 (see the square sections of the flak jacket), to me DX11 makes them look less distinct and sort of stretched out . But that's just what I see.
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    Image of lorensingley lorensingley
    09/25/09

    In reply to DirectX 10.1 vs. DirectX 11: Can You See the Difference?
    good call on switching the 2nd picture around. I noticed the one of the left had softer shadows and was a tad darker, and i liked it better, but they look so similar.
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    Image of Nathan Obbards Nathan Obbards
    09/25/09

    In reply to DirectX 10.1 vs. DirectX 11: Can You See the Difference?
    I noticed the polygonal problem immediately on the first one. The second one took a second longer, but the concrete looks much nicer and realistic in the left.
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