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I think we would all do well to remember that without the Catholic church, much of the world's history and important cultural advancements would have been lost in the Dark Ages.
Without abbeys full of monks who spent years painstakingly reproducing not just religous texts but also the writings of many ancient philosophers and historians, much of that knowledge would have been lost forever.
Sure the church caused much of the strife during those times, but there was also no one else bothering to preserve important historical knowledge. Monarch during this time did not care about funding libraries, museums, centers for the arts and so on and so forth.
As someone who has a rather low opinion of the Catholic church in general even I can respect their role in preserving and advancing human culture during the Middle Ages. #vatican
@NorwoodIsMyHero: almost everything you've just said is stunningly wrong.
while there were monks reproducing mostly religious texts during the so called 'dark ages' it was the Muslims who preserved and then transfered (see for eg. Reconquista) this knowledge to Europe. The libraries of the Islamic world were the ones that 'saved' the knowledge of the greeks/romans, and gave us the number 0 (from India) among countless other things. #vatican
@goldfarb: No it's not. I'm not sure what historical references you're reading from but it sounds somewhere along the lines of something Zinn or other entirely anti-Western Civ writers would say. The truth is never so extreme as "stunningly wrong" in regards to this topic. #vatican
@NorwoodIsMyHero: I'm not much of a fan of Zinn so...
any reliable history of mathematics, optics/physics/astronomy, philosophy or the relations between Europe and the Muslim world between the 10th and 14th centuries will demonstrate what I've said above.
To claim that the Catholic church is responsible for preventing "much of the world's history and important cultural advancements" being "lost in the Dark Ages" is patently false.
to say that "no one else bothering to preserve important historical knowledge" is equally false - and reveals a simple ignorance of the facts. the 'dark ages' were only dark in Europe. #vatican
@NorwoodIsMyHero: It's not anti-Western, it's simple fact. Goldfarb is correct, the "Dark Ages" were dark in Europe, due largely to a plethora of barbaric customs, an astonishing degree of religious entitlement and a staggering lack of acceptance of demonstrable fact, driven largely by classic Christian xenophobia. Which appears to be alive and well here in the 21st century. #vatican
Oh yeah, the Vatican - specially the pope - is so taking a kindler, gentler, more active role in science and technological progress these days... #vatican
I don't want any reprobate aliens polluting God's chosen species with their otherworldly pagan nonsense. We must shun the tares from the stars with extreme conviction people. And you, my brothers and sisters, will help Jesus Our Lord and Savior to vanquish the foulness from the sky with all the available modern technologies God has granted us through man's intellect.
@SilverBlade2k: just to be the devil's advocate (ha): God made other creatures on earth which were not in God's image. Why could God not have done this elsewhere? #vatican
@Rabid Penguin: or their home universe has been destroyed, and our evolution was seeded. Wouldn't be that hard for a significantly advanced civilization to accomplish. Question is, why they wouldn't program any of their previous intelligence in us?
@lpranal: Maybe when they seeded Earth they only created one or two super-intelligent beings, and after thousands and thousands of years of inbreeding, here we are.
@lpranal: Maybe our instinct hasn't caught up to the level of intelligence they have prepared for us. Who knows, once we reach a certain point of evolution, it will trigger all of the sudden.
is the question of the existence of life in space really contested much in this day and age? with all the UFO sightings, all the high strangeness and government black projects, does anyone really believe that despite all the evidence to the contrary that so far no unearthly life has ever been encountered by man?
@nutbastard: Don't blame me i voted for Ron Paul edition: It can't really be contested unless a specific claim is made. That there 'may' be life out there isn't really contested. But assuming that intelligent life exists out there may not be an inevitability.
If you read enough on theoretical science and physics a common theme is the "goldilocks zone", or rather zones that the earth exists in. Basically, for intelligent life as we know it to evolve, many, many specific conditions have to be met. We aren't 100% certain how many of these zones are absolutely necessary for some level of intelligence to exist, but it's safe to say that the kind of intelligence that can travel between galaxies is a rare fucking thing.
But then the definition of "as we know it" is problematic. I have a hard time understanding the UFO phenomenon as extraterrestrial 'contact' or 'visitation'. The evidence that's out there doesn't isn't very convincing other than that something we don't understand is happening, and It could be nothing more than the 3-dimensional shadows of their 5-dimensional spaceships flying past our planet. My thinking is that any of our encounters with higher intelligences would be almost beyond our comprehension, i mean these guys could be x-ray colored and made out of dark matter, and eat black holes as a method of communication. The odds of finding something similar to us, that we can interact or have the remotest possibility of communicating with seem like a huge long shot.
"but it's safe to say that the kind of intelligence that can travel between galaxies is a rare fucking thing."
how do you define 'rare'? given the timescale of the universe, it's likely that there are races of technological beings thousands, millions, or even billions of years ahead of us. WE are going to figure out intergalactic travel in the next 1000 years if all goes well. so if you assume that any intelligent, driven population will eventually go starward, then you've got to conclude that, in all likelihood they already have.
I hope not. When I'm staring up at the sky, blanketed by a warm summer breeze, thinking about what is and what could be, asking my self the question "are we alone in this world", I'm usually naked. I do my best pondering while I'm naked. I don't need anyone staring at me.
@nutbastard: Don't blame me i voted for Ron Paul edition: The way I see it, to invest generations of development, years of toil and likely countless lost lives in the far longer path of technological advancement on their end, only to skulk about the heavens evading all of our modern means of detection, and reducing any onlookers to raving lunatics would be a seriously monumental, no, galactic waste of time.
My question is: Why is NASA only looking for things that could sustain Earth-like life? Oxygen? CO2? Horseradish, I say! For all we know, they breathe methane and exhale freon. I call shenanigans on the entire space program.
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Without abbeys full of monks who spent years painstakingly reproducing not just religous texts but also the writings of many ancient philosophers and historians, much of that knowledge would have been lost forever.
Sure the church caused much of the strife during those times, but there was also no one else bothering to preserve important historical knowledge. Monarch during this time did not care about funding libraries, museums, centers for the arts and so on and so forth.
As someone who has a rather low opinion of the Catholic church in general even I can respect their role in preserving and advancing human culture during the Middle Ages. #vatican
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while there were monks reproducing mostly religious texts during the so called 'dark ages' it was the Muslims who preserved and then transfered (see for eg. Reconquista) this knowledge to Europe. The libraries of the Islamic world were the ones that 'saved' the knowledge of the greeks/romans, and gave us the number 0 (from India) among countless other things. #vatican
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any reliable history of mathematics, optics/physics/astronomy, philosophy or the relations between Europe and the Muslim world between the 10th and 14th centuries will demonstrate what I've said above.
To claim that the Catholic church is responsible for preventing "much of the world's history and important cultural advancements" being "lost in the Dark Ages" is patently false.
to say that "no one else bothering to preserve important historical knowledge" is equally false - and reveals a simple ignorance of the facts. the 'dark ages' were only dark in Europe. #vatican
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Oh yeah, the Vatican - specially the pope - is so taking a kindler, gentler, more active role in science and technological progress these days... #vatican
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Maybe aliens were the ones who made Mary pregnant, without the loss of virginity O.o #vatican
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Also, that picture is funny as hell. #vatican
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Shuuunnnnnnnnnnn-ah #vatican
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@SilverBlade2k: #vatican
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@Kaiser-Machead: Father! #vatican
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There home planet has been destroyed. They're all already on Earth.
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If you read enough on theoretical science and physics a common theme is the "goldilocks zone", or rather zones that the earth exists in. Basically, for intelligent life as we know it to evolve, many, many specific conditions have to be met. We aren't 100% certain how many of these zones are absolutely necessary for some level of intelligence to exist, but it's safe to say that the kind of intelligence that can travel between galaxies is a rare fucking thing.
But then the definition of "as we know it" is problematic. I have a hard time understanding the UFO phenomenon as extraterrestrial 'contact' or 'visitation'. The evidence that's out there doesn't isn't very convincing other than that something we don't understand is happening, and It could be nothing more than the 3-dimensional shadows of their 5-dimensional spaceships flying past our planet. My thinking is that any of our encounters with higher intelligences would be almost beyond our comprehension, i mean these guys could be x-ray colored and made out of dark matter, and eat black holes as a method of communication. The odds of finding something similar to us, that we can interact or have the remotest possibility of communicating with seem like a huge long shot.
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"but it's safe to say that the kind of intelligence that can travel between galaxies is a rare fucking thing."
how do you define 'rare'? given the timescale of the universe, it's likely that there are races of technological beings thousands, millions, or even billions of years ahead of us. WE are going to figure out intergalactic travel in the next 1000 years if all goes well. so if you assume that any intelligent, driven population will eventually go starward, then you've got to conclude that, in all likelihood they already have.
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