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    Image of jrblackman006 jrblackman006
    12/15/09

    In reply to Borders and Kobo Team Up to Develop a New Reader
    Ebooks have saved the planet. Within a couple of weeks no one will be reading paper books. As a result the paper industry will collapse and all the trees will be left standing. The exponential increase in trees will result in more CO2 to O2 conversion and global warming will be halted.
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    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    12/15/09

    @jrblackman006: And Al Gore, having completed his mission, will climb back into his hyperspace pod and return to the Intarweb star cluster.
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    Image of The5thElephant The5thElephant
    12/15/09

    In reply to Wary Book Publishers Are Fighting the Future
    I'm really curious what one of the top publishing execs would say to some of the well worded and thought out comments I have read below.

    Is this blindness only for the media, and they are just making as much cash as possible before bailing? Or are they truly and utterly blind to how miserable they are at evolving the industry?
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    Image of Jrsy Devil's Advocate® Jrsy Devil's Advocate®
    12/15/09

    In reply to Wary Book Publishers Are Fighting the Future
    Their reaction reminds me of the same thinking the photo industry had regarding film versus digital. Even with having digital cameras around for many years already film is still being used. The photo industry learned how to cope with and adapt to change. Book publishers will hopefully be capable of doing the same.
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    Image of .Trenchant. .Trenchant.
    12/15/09

    In reply to Wary Book Publishers Are Fighting the Future
    I think the second trouble to this is what people aren't realizing though... Digital is simply destroying these industries.

    Everyone expects stuff for cheap, and prices are driven artificially low. It's not sustainable for publishers and writers to sell their content @ $10 a pop when the same content in hardcover format costs $40 and only $10 to actually produce and distribute. That's a $30 loss of profit because little Johnny E. Reader wants his book in digital format, but isn't willing to spend $30 when everything else is $10.

    These digital distribution forms simply aren't accounting for product VALUE the same way physical always had. The industries are right to be scared, because it is essentially destroying profit, and if the industry isn't lucrative anymore, who wants to get in?
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    The5thElephant promoted this comment .Trenchant. was starred .Trenchant. was unstarred
    Image of The5thElephant The5thElephant
    12/15/09

    @.Trenchant.: You are assuming that a lot of that $30 profit goes to the author. It doesn't.

    The primary reason publishing houses exist is because of the need to print and market books. A lot of money goes into these two things, money that authors don't have.

    But now with the internet, authors can publish their books for pennies, and they can market them quite effectively without massive advertising budgets.

    Increasing numbers of authors are refusing major publishing houses, and releasing books online through smaller independent web publishers who can market a book and get it to Amazon/B&N as well as any large publisher.

    These are the last gasps for cash of the big publishers in every major industry. I think the movie publishers will last the longest (so much money and smaller companies can't make blockbusters like Transformers), but the major book and music publishers are going down the drains.

    This is the beauty of the web. After some turmoil, you have a multitude of smaller groups providing a larger amount of content, treating the content creators better, and developing the capability to create content with as large production values as were found back in the days of the giant publishers. While the larger amount of content means a lot more shitty content, it also means the chance to discover genius content which would never have made it up the marketing ladder of the publishing giants.

    Just give it some time and both content authors and consumers will be happier than ever, and the old publishers will live comfortably on their massive golden parachutes, wondering what went wrong.
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    Image of Jimmy1 Jimmy1
    12/15/09

    In reply to Wary Book Publishers Are Fighting the Future
    In the e-book age, publishers will need to refashion themselves as editorial and marketing services for authors. Once their distribution, printing and shelf space cost scale advantage is no longer relevant, their most important duties that remain which offer value are editing and marketing.
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    Image of bagellord bagellord
    12/15/09

    In reply to Wary Book Publishers Are Fighting the Future
    I love to read. That's why I want an ereader for Christmas. I don't want to wait several months every time a new book comes out. I'll glady pay $15-$20 instead of $10 when a book comes out if it means I get it at the same time as it's in stores. I want to be able to carry around all of my books and pick and choose.
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    Image of Segador Segador
    12/15/09

    In reply to Wary Book Publishers Are Fighting the Future
    You'd think Amazon and B&N would have ironed these sorts of publisher deals out before putting so much behind the Kindle/Nook. They're the kind of devices you sort of want publishers behind.
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    Image of thechansen thechansen
    12/15/09

    In reply to Wary Book Publishers Are Fighting the Future
    It seems like the Internet based media/entertainment services, are the only ones who "get it". Publishers, the music industry, magazines, newspapers, and (to a lesser extent) the movie industry, just seem out of touch with trends. I do have to say TV and movie have made progress with the likes of Hulu and digital copies of films. Even music is starting to come around and the transformation of the iTunes store catalogue is a testament to that (both in terms of expansion and going DRM free). Publishing though... It angers me the lack of a DRM standard for ebooks (if you are going to put restrictions on such a niche market at least make it universal, all epub books should be read on all epub devices), the availablity of certain ebooks on various stores, and now the delay. People with ebook readers typically have a backlog and don't want to buy hardcovers considering the investment into ebook readers. So who is it really hurting? I just hope that authors realize they don't need the publishers any more at least for ebook distribution.
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    Image of ahbi ahbi
    12/15/09

    In reply to Wary Book Publishers Are Fighting the Future
    Idiots!
    1) Another thing they need to wrap their heads around is that $10 per book price. That is the trade paperback price and if they are saving all that distribution cost, I expect some of that savings passed on to ME!!!
    Better yet, sell each physical book with a code that allows me access to the digital version of it. Actually, since AMZN has my credit card/shipping info there is no need for a code, just link it to my account.
    I am not going to re-buy my book collection like I did from cassette to CDs.

    2) While I love to read via my iPhone, one of the main barriers to a better e-reader is the massive lack of 2nd/3rd tier books in digital form.
    I understand that the history of Byzantium isn't very popular, but how much does it really cost you put that in digital form?
    Every book published in the last ~15 years was done digitally and then printed. Converting that digital "proof" to e-reader format should be a batch job for the IT department.
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    The5thElephant promoted this comment Edited by ahbi at 12/15/09 8:57 PM ahbi was starred ahbi was unstarred
    Image of The5thElephant The5thElephant
    12/15/09

    @ahbi: This is why I think all these suits against Google digitizing thousands of out of print books is ridiculous.

    They are providing content that no one else would provide! So NOW they complain and want their share of the profits?
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    Image of Shadowlayer Shadowlayer
    12/11/09

    In reply to Ereaders Are a Nazi Scheme, and More Bizarre Theories From Ebooks' Sworn Enemies
    The publishing industry and assholes like these killed the good ol' book, not tech.

    How about the FACT that while hundreds, maybe thousands of talented writters get the boot from these bastards because they lack the fame or money to publish a book?

    What about all those craptastic books written by all kind of skanky people? all those dumb, overproduced children books supposedly written by celebrities?

    The iPod didn't kill the music industry, overprice and mediocrity did, and so will in the publishing industry.
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    Image of Gary_7vn Gary_7vn
    12/08/09

    In reply to Barnes & Noble Nook Review: Pretty Damn Good
    Dedicated GPS's are on the way out, the same is true for eBooks, a mere transistional form. Buy one if you want one, but tablets with better screens will kill the dedicated eBook.
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    Image of bagumpity bagumpity
    12/08/09

    In reply to Ereaders Are a Nazi Scheme, and More Bizarre Theories From Ebooks' Sworn Enemies
    e-readers will kill literature the same way that the iPod killed music (which it has).

    As soon as you take something out of the hands of the people who produce and consume it, it belongs to no one. Unscrupulous people will steal it (oh, sorry- "obtain an unlicensed copy"), and middle-men (aka "distributers") will take all profit away from the creative talent.

    When even great authors are no longer able to support themselves through their writing, no more great literature will be produced.

    Enjoy your comics (oh sorry, "graphic novels"), you idiots. That's about all there will be to read if these things take off.
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    Image of fuchikoma fuchikoma
    12/08/09

    @bagumpity: Comics have to be the most pirated form of literature on the net. Manga gets ripped whether it's licensed here or not.

    But eReaders don't have to help novels get pirated - they were being put online a decade ago. If someone's interested, they'll just OCR a whole book - presumably with some kind of whole-book scanner since I don't imagine a causual pirate doing 80 flatbed scans back to back...

    Also, like Steel Fox mentioned, digital distribution has boosted music sales. Way back in the day, they even found that Napster and P2P users were more likely to buy a CD. Sure, they're more likely to steal a hundred others, but they're more likely to buy more CDs in stores than they would have otherwise.

    Personally since iTunes went DRM free, I've been kind of hooked on that since I can buy and download the album on my Touch and start playing the album as it downloads.
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    Image of Demonbird Demonbird
    12/08/09

    In reply to Barnes & Noble Nook Review: Pretty Damn Good
    The biggest problem for e-readers now is book pricing.
    In many cases the ebooks cost just pennies less than physical copies, with all of the restricted use that goes with the digital download. Ereaders are not purchased at their premium price to save pennies per purchase, and the companies have no right charging even 80% of full price for a digital restricted copy of a book.
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    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    12/07/09

    In reply to Ereaders Are a Nazi Scheme, and More Bizarre Theories From Ebooks' Sworn Enemies
    Well then you can read this beloved tale to ze kinder from your ereader. Seems appropriate.
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    Image of OMG! weatherman OMG! weatherman
    12/07/09

    In reply to Ereaders Are a Nazi Scheme, and More Bizarre Theories From Ebooks' Sworn Enemies
    A Jew should know better than to invoke Nazism this way, especially on a day like today. It's become a joke, an off-hand comment to get attention, a freakin' internet meme for g*d's sake. Never forget? Trivializing is the first step to forgetting.
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