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    Image of Gary_7vn Gary_7vn
    12/08/09

    In reply to Barnes & Noble Nook Review: Pretty Damn Good
    Dedicated GPS's are on the way out, the same is true for eBooks, a mere transistional form. Buy one if you want one, but tablets with better screens will kill the dedicated eBook.
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    Image of Demonbird Demonbird
    12/08/09

    In reply to Barnes & Noble Nook Review: Pretty Damn Good
    The biggest problem for e-readers now is book pricing.
    In many cases the ebooks cost just pennies less than physical copies, with all of the restricted use that goes with the digital download. Ereaders are not purchased at their premium price to save pennies per purchase, and the companies have no right charging even 80% of full price for a digital restricted copy of a book.
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    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    12/07/09

    In reply to Ereaders Are a Nazi Scheme, and More Bizarre Theories From Ebooks' Sworn Enemies
    Well then you can read this beloved tale to ze kinder from your ereader. Seems appropriate.
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    12/07/09

    In reply to Ereaders Are a Nazi Scheme, and More Bizarre Theories From Ebooks' Sworn Enemies
    A Jew should know better than to invoke Nazism this way, especially on a day like today. It's become a joke, an off-hand comment to get attention, a freakin' internet meme for g*d's sake. Never forget? Trivializing is the first step to forgetting.
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    Image of Lite: hates Illinois Nazis Lite: hates Illinois Nazis
    12/07/09

    In reply to Ereaders Are a Nazi Scheme, and More Bizarre Theories From Ebooks' Sworn Enemies
    My concern about ebooks is this: It harms industries and jobs. It harms the printing company, and most of all it harms the paper company.

    Want to know who gets hit hardest and first during a recession? Paper/lumber companies. Order fewer gadgets? The producing companies order fewer boxes. Buy fewer books? Order fewer piece of paper. While from an environmental standpoint this isn't necessarily bad, it eliminates jobs that aren't easily replaced. Which increases the strain on social resources such as unemployment and welfare systems.
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    Image of Grive Grive
    12/07/09

    @Lite: hates Illinois Nazis: It also hurts rare book sellers.

    And increases job in manufacturing, tech and IT, while creating a better venue for writers of all kinds. It's much easier for authors to get their work electronically published, which while creating so much chaff, makes the risky masterpieces much easier to get out there.

    The problem with your argument is that it's in essence an argument against progress. Cars decimated jobs for drivers and stables. Computers decimated the typist jobs. The loom decimated weavers.

    We can logically extend this argument all day long, eventually ending up with that hunter/gatherer societies were a good apogee for human progress.

    I'm not saying ebooks are the future and that they're perfect and we should all have three. I'm just saying that this argument is not the best way towards making that point.
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    Image of BaconForTheSoul BaconForTheSoul
    12/07/09

    @Grive: Thank you for saying this. I hate it when people are against something because it take away jobs. Go look at the Luddites, Lite: hates Illinois.

    That's how things get better and move on. Want to know why GM went into the pooper? Because they produced cars that people didn't like enough, and paid people too much to do it. Tolerating that kind of inefficiency is bad for everyone.
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    Lite: hates Illinois Nazis promoted this comment BaconForTheSoul was starred BaconForTheSoul was unstarred
    Image of Lite: hates Illinois Nazis Lite: hates Illinois Nazis
    12/07/09

    @Grive: @BaconForTheSoul: Right, creates new jobs. However we have a couple of generations worth of factory workers that are steadily becoming more unemployed...

    The manufacturing jobs are not created in the US, not to mention we're not in a habit of retraining existing workers into new jobs. Companies here just lay them off outright.

    We've been steadily destroying the manufacturing base of this country, and if we stop producing, we stop exporting. And that is part of what has us in such a quandry nationally.

    Oh, and those gadgets? Remember where I said they get packaged in paper? Only, fewer of them are being sold right now, so those same workers are still hurt.

    I'm not against e-readers. I just don't think they're all that great, and that they do pose a significant problem. I'd also be interested to see a pollution comparison between making an e-reader and getting it to market vs a book.

    Plus, it's a lot harder to burn your e-reader to stay warm when mother earth suddenly flash freezes the planet like in the Day After Tomorrow.

    I'm not a luddite, I just understand that you cannot keep destroying the manufacturing base of this country and expect it to continue to compete in a world market. The IT jobs are also already being outsourced heavily to other countries, as are call centers.

    Having worked for a country that was swallowed up by a very large Indian company, I know first hand how they plan to bring products to market while maintaining a minimum of US national workforce.
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    Lite: hates Illinois Nazis was starred Lite: hates Illinois Nazis was unstarred
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    12/08/09

    @BaconForTheSoul: By inefficient you mean further eroding an already destroyed manufacturing base and removing remaining jobs from the semi-skilled labor pool.

    When you have a huge gap in education like we do in the US and you come from a poor school, you need those manufacturing jobs to get ahead in life.

    Only, people like you keep buying stuff from Walmart because it's slightly cheaper.

    Sometimes you do need to pay more on principle. Because if you don't, you're killing the jobs around you. This is why I support real farmer's markets, small businesses, and local industries.
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    Lite: hates Illinois Nazis was starred Lite: hates Illinois Nazis was unstarred
    Image of Lite: hates Illinois Nazis Lite: hates Illinois Nazis
    12/08/09

    @Grive: Progress for the sake of progress, isn't progress.

    Can you say your life is better for e-books being around? Can you say your life will be better when there is only one or two e-book reader companies that all have their own proprietary format and can set their own pricing for how much writers get for their books?

    At least the hunter gatherer societies were far less wasteful and damaging to the environment than the current one, and they readily lived within their means.
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    Image of Grive Grive
    12/08/09

    @Lite: hates Illinois Nazis: So, why are you on the internet? Right. Because Hunting/Gathering isn't all that great.

    Read my whole post. I didn't say ebooks were the best thing ever, and that sliced bread better watch it's back. I said that claiming they're bad because they hurt an older industry won't get you anywhere. I don't have an ebook, and I'm not lining up to get one (though if I got a nook for christmas I wouldn't cry).

    It's true that it will damage the US printing industry. It's already suffering, and not because of stuff like ebook readers. It's something that has been brewing up for a long time, and killing an ebook reader won't save it.

    Actually, it's worse. You're going to lose those jobs anyway, ebook or no ebook, since Sony will step up to the plate and deliver one since there's a market for it (which you admit by being afraid of it's effect). The difference is that you can lose them to an american designed product, or a japanese designed one. It's not necessarily progress, if you prefer to see it that way, but how can you expect to keep the manufacturing base of the US if you block technical and technological innovations?

    If you go this route, there are only two ways to keep the manufacture base open. The first is protectionism, which will be counterproductive if you have the slightest interest in exporting. The second is letting the US become a third world country, which I'm guessing you'll consider to be worse.
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    Edited by Grive at 12/08/09 1:36 AM Grive was starred Grive was unstarred
    Image of BaconForTheSoul BaconForTheSoul
    12/08/09

    @Lite: hates Illinois Nazis: Dude, don't purport to know my spending habits because I'm against artificially supporting businesses.

    I generally don't shop at WalMart, and I'm a huge fan of Farmer's Markets. You want to know why? Because that's the product I want. That's how markets work. Protectionism doesn't work in the long run.

    The education issue is a strong one. If America was properly educating its youth, we'd be able to send manufacturing jobs off the Shenzen or Guangzhou without having a heart attack, because those "unemployed" workers would now be free to do entrepreneurial, value creation activities. This isn't always possible, but America has done it in the past (look at jeans and t-shirts (previously high-tech jobs), vs. Google and Microsoft). And yea, now the big G and M are going to hire cheaper workers out of this country.

    Two things on that. 1) It's pretty damn self-centered to think that only Americans deserve opportunities. 2) As a top-tier developed country, we can expect to fill in a higher level of thinking to supply those jobs.

    Again, on a tech blog, where do you think that computer you use was made?
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    Image of Lite: hates Illinois Nazis Lite: hates Illinois Nazis
    12/07/09

    In reply to Ereaders Are a Nazi Scheme, and More Bizarre Theories From Ebooks' Sworn Enemies
    The problem with a digital book, as opposed to an analog one, is that it can be altered, on the fly, without you ever knowing.

    Amazon, or whomever controls the e-book industry, can effectively rewrite not only stories, but history.
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    Image of fudgenuts002 fudgenuts002
    12/08/09

    @Lite: hates Illinois Nazis: This is what worries me, and not because of the orwellian conspiracies everyone always brings up. I'm worried some senile author of a classic work will decide to pull a Geroge Lucas and have Sauron shoot first...
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    Image of Lite: hates Illinois Nazis Lite: hates Illinois Nazis
    11:04 AM

    @fudgenuts002: There is that, but really I'm not even so much concerned in an orwellian nature as I am a pollitically correct one.
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    Image of tamoko tamoko
    12/07/09

    In reply to Barnes & Noble Nook Review: Pretty Damn Good
    Great review Wilson, and thanks for the unboxing pix, but I'm still on the fence about which e-reader to indulge in... I'll wait for some more competitors to enter the frey...
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    12/07/09

    @tamoko: Although your brick and mortar support comment does ring very true.
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    Image of Sticks Calhoun Sticks Calhoun
    12/07/09

    In reply to Ereaders Are a Nazi Scheme, and More Bizarre Theories From Ebooks' Sworn Enemies
    I'm an expat. At some point, I'll be moving back to the States. When I do, I want to take the books I bought back with me. I stopped buying physical books after I got a Kindle because it would cost me a fortune to ship them back.

    So, what, I shouldn't have bought the 50-odd books I've purchased and read this year, especially all the ones I couldn't find locally but could get on Amazon?

    ...yeah. Right.

    Idiots.
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    Edited by Sticks Calhoun at 12/07/09 8:12 PM Sticks Calhoun was starred Sticks Calhoun was unstarred
    Image of Demonbird Demonbird
    12/07/09

    In reply to Ereaders Are a Nazi Scheme, and More Bizarre Theories From Ebooks' Sworn Enemies
    3. The music industry was crippled by piracy; therefore the book industry will be crippled by piracy

    Not until people start cracking amazon books, it will be just as slow as always.
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    Image of Ajh Ajh
    12/07/09

    @Demonbird: Eh. There are TONS of ebooks out there. Legally and Illegally

    You just have to know where to look.

    They're not as popular because not as many people read, and even now I think people prefer the physical book over an ebook.
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    Demonbird promoted this comment Ajh was starred Ajh was unstarred
    Image of Demonbird Demonbird
    12/07/09

    @Ajh:
    Trust me, I know where they are, but author's don't have to be afraid.
    It can sometimes take many months for someone to get a book to digital format and upload to such a place. I see more tech manuals and textbooks go than regular authors by far.
    They don't need to worry. Yet.
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    12/07/09

    In reply to Ereaders Are a Nazi Scheme, and More Bizarre Theories From Ebooks' Sworn Enemies
    "The death of wax cylinders will be the death of sound! Why, these flappish disks bear striking resemblance to the platters that served the Kaiser, and are likely to be used in all sorts of untoward disk-throwing sport!"
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    Image of Sticks Calhoun Sticks Calhoun
    12/07/09

    @Segador: "And do not get me started on 'alternating' current! You want it to alternate? Vacillate the circuit on and off with great rapidity!"
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    12/07/09

    In reply to Ereaders Are a Nazi Scheme, and More Bizarre Theories From Ebooks' Sworn Enemies
    The only parallel I can see between Hitler and eReaders is that both want to get rid of books although another book burning is unlikely.
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    Image of B3ND3R B3ND3R
    12/07/09

    In reply to Ereaders Are a Nazi Scheme, and More Bizarre Theories From Ebooks' Sworn Enemies
    Sherman Alexie: Open source!

    Inigo Montoya: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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    Image of MePerson MePerson
    12/07/09

    In reply to Barnes & Noble Nook Review: Pretty Damn Good
    How does the glare on the Nook's screens, i.e. outside in bright daylight, compare to the Kindle's screen? The eInk screen is probably similar to the Kindle, but I can see that touchscreen being completely washed out outdoors, where it's most useful.
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    Image of bitgod bitgod
    12/07/09

    In reply to Barnes & Noble Nook Review: Pretty Damn Good
    So to paraphrase the beginning, "these are the two devices to look at if you plan on buying all your books, and if you plan on not buying a lot of books (because FSM knows that Gizmodo readers aren't torrenters and hackers) then get a Sony"
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    12/07/09

    In reply to Barnes & Noble Nook Review: Pretty Damn Good
    Bah, B&N's store stinks, or at least their website does. I like comparing prices between amazon and sony's store, so I went looking on B&N for Bill Simmon's The Book of Basketball.

    I typed in Bill Simmons, and it gave me 3 pages of results, A LOT of which were duplicates, and NONE were for any of the Bill Simmons I was looking for.

    Now if I search on Amazon, the book I'm looking for is the first thing it showed.

    I might look at a Nook in say 2 years, after they shake themselves out. For now, I'm perfectly happy with my Sony.
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    Image of Jolim Jolim
    12/07/09

    @bitgod: Came up fine for me, I just copy and pasted what you typed. Sure you didn't misspell something in your search?
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    bitgod promoted this comment Edited by Jolim at 12/07/09 6:27 PM Jolim was starred Jolim was unstarred
    Image of bitgod bitgod
    12/07/09

    @Jolim: Odd, not to think I'm paranoid or something, but I checked it again after the last post thinking maybe I typoed his name, but still didn't get it. I just tried it now, and it works. I note their price is higher than Amazons and Sony's. (but prices always vary between books, I can find another one that's more expensive at Sony compared to the other 2 stores)

    They must have fixed it, because the 3 pages of things it finds are the same things it found in my first 2 searches.
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