LOOP looks like a walkie-talkie, not a texting device. The bottom circle looks like the speaker and the black doodad in the top-left is probably the push-to-talk switch or the volume dial.
This seems silly though. First, it would mean riding the bike one-handed. Second, wind noise, not engine noise is the problem on a small bike/scooter., Third, you hopefully have your head stuffed into a helmet, restricting your ability to hear anything from a 1" speaker.
@trx0x: "Honda's not alone in the 2WD space, nor is the space really that new—at least for concept vehicles." . The article goes on to say that Honda may be ready to commercialize on the 2WD market, "or at the very least an all electric one". In other words, being electric was secondary to 2WD, something Christini has been making, and selling, for a while.
I know, I know - but Christini's is AWD. Yes, it is. And as any Subaru owner will tell you, AWD is a type of 4wd, as is full time and part time 4wd (though I have a bias on PT4WD).
If you really want to look back, the first 2x2 bike was the 1924 350cc Raleigh. The first well-known mass produced 2x2 is the ROKON (they've been selling these since the 60s)
The first hydraulic front-wheel drive was the 1983 DR 250 Suzuki. In the 90s Suzuki made the XF-5 and Lander for the Japanese markets.
Honda is taking this to the next step. Obviously an all electric model is much easier to incorporate a 2x2 system since motors can be mounted on the wheels. They will be the first to mass-produce a 2x2 scooter in mass numbers.
@Scaramanga: Okay, I never commented that I thought that Christini had invented the 2-wheel drive motorcycle. Christini is the most popular model of AWD/2WD motorcycle right now, and is a production bike, kinda.
The comment was made because Christini modifies Honda bikes (and KTMs, but I've only seen the Hondas in person), and has been doing this for a few years, but Honda gets credit for this as a commercial entry, no nearly the first, but most importantly, NOT THE FIRST 2WD system on a Honda bike.
I've ridden one, it is pretty rad, better than the bicycle version they have. I can't imagine a use on the road though, I want to keep my traction for turning and leaning, leave that front wheel unpowered for me.
@Lizard_King: My point being that Christini deserves no real credit in this conversation. They were not the first to commercialize 2x2 bikes, and aren't even the first to commercialize hydraulic front-wheel drive systems- as I've pointed out.
Nobody need tell "Christini that Honda is first"...
In fact, if we are talking about small outfits like Christini doing 2x2 Hondas they are NOT the first for that either. Xuereb's Australian firm has also makes Honda CR500s using a similar hydraulic front-wheel drive years before Christini. There was even a late-80s Honda XR250 modified for 2x2 shown at Hond's Idea Days ages ago.
Beyond that, this EV-cub is an entirely different beast all together.
The Cub is the best selling powered vehicle of all time- 60 million vehicles. If Honda builds this then it makes a strong statement by going EV with a full-electric 2x2.
No no no they expect you to place the call then leave of course, and everyone will do that. I mean no risk see, Bluetooth is my answer to the other commentors.
@bnetter12: I place and answer calls when driving my motorcycle all the time. I do not see what the issue is, it seems most of the people that have a problem with it do not ride motorcycles.
yeah, why would you want all that torque from 0 RPMs? you're right, why have a single gear when you can have 6 or 7 of em? more is better, right? this thing is for pussies - it doesn't even have an overly loud exhaust or a clutch to wear out!
electric cars suck they take forever to charge and cant even go very far and are they really even helping polution because where do we get power from burning coal sure there are some green ways but overall they are not really helping
@Brent William Cox: Tesla is releasing a model with a 45-minute quick charge and ability to do a 5 minute battery swap (the swap making it possible to do quick "refuels" at stations) in 2011. it also can be configured to have a 300 mile range. basically, all the same stats as a normal car, except its energy efficiency in city streets will be many times better.
as for not helping, there is no way to stop generating pollution if you're burning the fossil fuel in your car, but if its coming off the power grid, you can fix the grid to stop generating pollution by changing power sources. so its actually a huge help towards solving our air pollution problems.
This isn't an Electric car. It's more like a nameless knockoff of famous cars in games like Burnout with those mandatory 10% difference for legality or whatever it is.
Actually, it has long been speculated by your standard "electric cars are crap" gear-heads that, while electric cars may never reach mainstream use, they may very will take over the sports car segment of the market. Electric engines, even in the basic forms we see today, can provide amazing performance that will rival any "super car" on the market at (comparatively speaking) modest prices. What electric vehicles are not particularly good at is letting us drive 500 miles without having to charge for a significant amount of time. I hear they may be working on that problem, though.
@Monty: There's a catch though- the range problem is even worse for high performance cars, as power requirements increase with the square of speed. That's fine for something like the Tesla, which is basically an electric Lotus Exige, but anything in supercar territory is consuming energy at a monstrous rate. For example, a 2009 Corvette ZR1 has about 650hp. To provide the equivalent in an electric car, you're pushing half a megawatt. That's a huge amount of power, and the energy requirement is enormous.
To go back to the Tesla again, it has about 53kwh of energy in its battery pack. You put that battery pack into an electric Corvette ZR1 and you have 6 minutes of drive time per recharge. For a Bugatti Veyron or an SSC Ultimate Aero that's less than 4 minutes.
@jepzilla: Very good point - though I suppose I was more focused on the majority of super car buyers who just have them sit in a pretty garage without ever driving them. If you actually want to use the vehicle as a daily driver and have a vehicle that is significantly more heavy than a Geo Metro, the range issue is a significant one until they build a better battery.
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This seems silly though. First, it would mean riding the bike one-handed. Second, wind noise, not engine noise is the problem on a small bike/scooter., Third, you hopefully have your head stuffed into a helmet, restricting your ability to hear anything from a 1" speaker.
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I know, I know - but Christini's is AWD. Yes, it is. And as any Subaru owner will tell you, AWD is a type of 4wd, as is full time and part time 4wd (though I have a bias on PT4WD).
Honda's not first to market here.
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Even Christini isn't the first to make a 2WD bike. In fact the the long history of 2x2 bikes Christini contribution is unremarkable.
More recently, Yamaha made a the WR450F 2-Trac, and KTM had a similar hydraulic front-wheel-drive system, as well as BMW F800 competition bikes.
[www.mcnews.com.au]
Recently, there's even been a 200hp Yamaha R1 2WD bike:
[www.fasterandfaster.net]
If you really want to look back, the first 2x2 bike was the 1924 350cc Raleigh. The first well-known mass produced 2x2 is the ROKON (they've been selling these since the 60s)
The first hydraulic front-wheel drive was the 1983 DR 250 Suzuki. In the 90s Suzuki made the XF-5 and Lander for the Japanese markets.
Honda is taking this to the next step. Obviously an all electric model is much easier to incorporate a 2x2 system since motors can be mounted on the wheels. They will be the first to mass-produce a 2x2 scooter in mass numbers.
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The comment was made because Christini modifies Honda bikes (and KTMs, but I've only seen the Hondas in person), and has been doing this for a few years, but Honda gets credit for this as a commercial entry, no nearly the first, but most importantly, NOT THE FIRST 2WD system on a Honda bike.
I've ridden one, it is pretty rad, better than the bicycle version they have. I can't imagine a use on the road though, I want to keep my traction for turning and leaning, leave that front wheel unpowered for me.
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Nobody need tell "Christini that Honda is first"...
In fact, if we are talking about small outfits like Christini doing 2x2 Hondas they are NOT the first for that either. Xuereb's Australian firm has also makes Honda CR500s using a similar hydraulic front-wheel drive years before Christini. There was even a late-80s Honda XR250 modified for 2x2 shown at Hond's Idea Days ages ago.
Beyond that, this EV-cub is an entirely different beast all together.
The Cub is the best selling powered vehicle of all time- 60 million vehicles. If Honda builds this then it makes a strong statement by going EV with a full-electric 2x2.
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yeah, why would you want all that torque from 0 RPMs? you're right, why have a single gear when you can have 6 or 7 of em? more is better, right? this thing is for pussies - it doesn't even have an overly loud exhaust or a clutch to wear out!
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... it still looks better than the Elise does.
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as for not helping, there is no way to stop generating pollution if you're burning the fossil fuel in your car, but if its coming off the power grid, you can fix the grid to stop generating pollution by changing power sources. so its actually a huge help towards solving our air pollution problems.
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and yet, this country of ignorant pussies i live in won't go full nuclear.
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To go back to the Tesla again, it has about 53kwh of energy in its battery pack. You put that battery pack into an electric Corvette ZR1 and you have 6 minutes of drive time per recharge. For a Bugatti Veyron or an SSC Ultimate Aero that's less than 4 minutes.
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There's also that pesky problem where you'll have to swap out the battery every so many years because it won't hold a charge anymore.
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Scooping up the unwary and lifeless pedestrians who step in front of this silent killer.
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